Crazy4Coasters! Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 July 7th is the new opening date according to Six Flags Magic Mountain facebook account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Alumni Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 These are the new dates and times for the Season Passholder ERT. They have registration open to people who were already registered and then they'll open it up to everybody else...  Monday, July 9 – 9:30-10:30am Tuesday, July 10 – 9:30-10:30am Wednesday, July 11 – 9:30-10:30am Thursday, July 12 – 9:30-10:30am Friday, July 13 – 9:30-10:30am  I noticed on the video they have on Facebook that they removed the World's Fastest, perhaps after testing they realized they're not going to beat the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xceleratorfan96 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I just got an email about the Lex Luthor Exclusive Ride Time, all of the dates haven been pushed until next week for the ERT. I'm now going July 13th for the ERT.  Got the same email: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeCoaster Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Technically, the ride does drop 400ft. How much it actually "freefalls", none of us can say for sure. Â Not sure I quite understand what you're saying, or how it changes what I said. The park claims the tower is 415 feet tall. Based on that stat alone, the riders on Lex Luther will not reach a height of 400 feet in the air. Â I noticed on the video they have on Facebook that they removed the World's Fastest, perhaps after testing they realized they're not going to beat the record. Â Which is a shame considering they very easily could have broken the record, if all they had done is brought the ride to the top of the tower like they said they would. Right now, the ride falls for 3.64 seconds before slowing, and if it fell for 3.86 seconds instead (a mere 1/5 of a second longer), it would have hit 85 mph. (22mph^2 is the acceleration of gravity every second, divided by 80mph is 3.64 seconds, divided by 85mph is 3.86 seconds). Giant Drop, the fastest drop ride in the world, hits 84mph and falls for 3.82 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Alumni Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Technically, the ride does drop 400ft. How much it actually "freefalls", none of us can say for sure. Â Not sure I quite understand what you're saying, or how it changes what I said. The park claims the tower is 415 feet tall. Based on that stat alone, the riders on Lex Luther will not reach a height of 400 feet in the air. Â I believe what he means is that all drop towers claim their full height regardless if the cart goes to the very top. Also, most towers don't actually free fall from the very top to the very bottom. Most of them only drop 3/4 of the way and either slow to a stop or bounce back up. Â I noticed on the video they have on Facebook that they removed the World's Fastest, perhaps after testing they realized they're not going to beat the record. Â Which is a shame considering they very easily could have broken the record, if all they had done is brought the ride to the top of the tower like they said they would. Right now, the ride falls for 3.64 seconds before slowing, and if it fell for 3.86 seconds instead (a mere 1/5 of a second longer), it would have hit 85 mph. (22mph^2 is the acceleration of gravity every second, divided by 80mph is 3.64 seconds, divided by 85mph is 3.86 seconds). Giant Drop, the fastest drop ride in the world, hits 84mph and falls for 3.82 seconds. Â Well, the website now says drop up to 85mph. So, I guess they will still hold the record. Edited July 3, 2012 by Magic Alumni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy4Coasters! Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Technically, the ride does drop 400ft. How much it actually "freefalls", none of us can say for sure. Â Not sure I quite understand what you're saying, or how it changes what I said. The park claims the tower is 415 feet tall. Based on that stat alone, the riders on Lex Luther will not reach a height of 400 feet in the air. Â I noticed on the video they have on Facebook that they removed the World's Fastest, perhaps after testing they realized they're not going to beat the record. Â Which is a shame considering they very easily could have broken the record, if all they had done is brought the ride to the top of the tower like they said they would. Right now, the ride falls for 3.64 seconds before slowing, and if it fell for 3.86 seconds instead (a mere 1/5 of a second longer), it would have hit 85 mph. (22mph^2 is the acceleration of gravity every second, divided by 80mph is 3.64 seconds, divided by 85mph is 3.86 seconds). Giant Drop, the fastest drop ride in the world, hits 84mph and falls for 3.82 seconds. Â Â Hey BlakeCoaster, you sound like a smart guy. I was wondering if you or anyone else can do a comparison chart of the height of Lex Luthor Drop of Doom to the downtown skyline in LA. I always wondered how that tower would look if it was placed with L.A. skyline. Any takers??? Â P.S. Â I posted a picture of something very similar below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammmmmy Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Which is a shame considering they very easily could have broken the record, if all they had done is brought the ride to the top of the tower like they said they would. Â Â You know, I'm sure there is reasoning as to why they didn't bring it all the way to the top, nothing works out perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Which is a shame considering they very easily could have broken the record, if all they had done is brought the ride to the top of the tower like they said they would. Â Â You know, I'm sure there is reasoning as to why they didn't bring it all the way to the top, nothing works out perfectly. Â Well first off, he needs to show us where SFMM said they were going to bring the ride to the top of the tower. The concept art released with the announcement is just that, concept art. Secondly, the ride drops 400ft, from the top where it stops, to the bottom of the tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottom_feeder_13 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I'm going to put my neck on the line here and say that it's impossible for Giant Drop to possibly fall further and faster than Lex Luthor because if you look at the picture below you can clearly see that the brakes on giant drop start just above the second horizontal support coming out of the tower. If you look at a pic of Lex you can see that the brakes start much lower down Superman's structure than Giant Drop's on ToT's tower. Since ToT's track is identical to Superman's and the top Lex catch car is 6 meters down from the top of the tower and Giant Drop's tops out about 1.5 meters below the top of ToT's track, the difference in the starting points of Lex and Giant Drop's drops is 4.5 meters. I would say that the brakes on Lex start at least 6 meters further down Superman's tower than Giant Drop's do compared to ToT's tower. Also you can see that there on Lex the initial brakes actually don't slow the car down at all, they only slow the acceleration down to about 0.5 m/s^2 and are there to make the actual brakes less abrupt. Using all of this you can reach the conclusion that Lex falls 1.5 meters further un-inhibited and then another 7-8 meters with very little downward acceleration than Giant Drop does. Â All the complicated explanations aside I think it would have been awesome if they had put a false drop in on one side of it and a count down from 3 to -5 that alternates randomly between dropping the riders at any time before the end of the count down, at the end of the count down or counting down to zero and then playing recorded message about there being some technical difficulties and then dropping riders in the middle of the message. on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeCoaster Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Â Well first off, he needs to show us where SFMM said they were going to bring the ride to the top of the tower. Â My analysis is not based off concept art, but off their 400 foot tall drop announcement, that I think we all (and fairly so) believed they would come through with. And the only way that would be possible, is if the Lex Luther ride was at the top of the tower. I'll explain why. Â the ride drops 400ft, from the top to the bottom of the tower. Â The Superman tower is 415 feet from the base of the tower, to the top of the tower. It is NOT 415 feet from the flat straight track run, to the top of the tower. Compare to Tower of Terror, which is on the ground level, and is approx. 375 feet tall. You can see how they designed Superman so that its dimensions are practically identical to Tower of Terror, except Superman was built off a hill. This added 40 feet to the height of the ride, so when you ride and go up the vertical spike, you actually gain 40 feet of being in the air, over Tower of Terror. Â The Lex Luther drops 30+ feet below the top of the tower, bringing the drop to something in the park of 385 feet. Still a VERY high drop! But on the books, not fast enough to take the speed record, however on the books, it seems they are going to stick with the 400 foot drop height, even though that doesn't look to be accurate. (Consider how long the park stuck to the 100mph Superman ride when for years so many knew it actually went somewhere around 88). Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I'm going to put my neck on the line here and say that it's impossible for Giant Drop to possibly fall further and faster than Lex Luthor because if you look at the picture below you can clearly see that the brakes on giant drop start just above the second horizontal support coming out of the tower. If you look at a pic of Lex you can see that the brakes start much lower down Superman's structure than Giant Drop's on ToT's tower. Since ToT's track is identical to Superman's and the top Lex catch car is 6 meters down from the top of the tower and Giant Drop's tops out about 1.5 meters below the top of ToT's track, the difference in the starting points of Lex and Giant Drop's drops is 4.5 meters. I would say that the brakes on Lex start at least 6 meters further down Superman's tower than Giant Drop's do compared to ToT's tower. Also you can see that there on Lex the initial brakes actually don't slow the car down at all, they only slow the acceleration down to about 0.5 m/s^2 and are there to make the actual brakes less abrupt. Using all of this you can reach the conclusion that Lex falls 1.5 meters further un-inhibited and then another 7-8 meters with very little downward acceleration than Giant Drop does. All the complicated explanations aside I think it would have been awesome if they had put a false drop in on one side of it and a count down from 3 to -5 that alternates randomly between dropping the riders at any time before the end of the count down, at the end of the count down or counting down to zero and then playing recorded message about there being some technical difficulties and then dropping riders in the middle of the message. on both sides.  I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottom_feeder_13 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 ^^ The original launch speed was actually 160 kph (100 mph) and the max potential speed of the new LSMs that were installed with the renovation are capable of is well above 180 kph possibly as high as 200 kph or more with the old ones maxing out at around 180-190 kph. The problem is that first gen LSM's need to be tuned up once in a while or else they start to become less efficient and the train will under speed the launch. If the problem isn't addressed at all, this happened in Superman's case after about 3 years of operation, then the train will eventually be launching up to as much as 30 percent slower than the intended speed, right before Superman's renovation it was only launching around 115 kph (72 mph). If you look at videos of ToT it's LSMs are a bit out of sync and you can see that the train doesn't reach nearly as high as Superman does now. The next gen LSMs are more reliable due to the fact that they use modular control system based almost entirely on track sensor data that can adjust the eddy current so that the train will go the intended speed each time. Â (All the info on the old LSMs comes from my dad, who worked for the company that was hired to tune the LSMs back when the ride opened) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Here guys, hopefully this will clear things up for you: Â The drop is more than 50 Manute Bols tall. Or over 75 Muggsy Bogues tall. Edited July 4, 2012 by ernierocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSB Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I can't wait for the FULL THROTTLE technical discussion to begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I can't wait for the FULL THROTTLE technical discussion to begin! Â Oh brother.... not that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaMapa Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Just got back from the park. Lex and Superman were testing together and I will post a picture of it in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xceleratorfan96 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I can't wait for the FULL THROTTLE technical discussion to begin! Â Muahahahah. Knowing the park there's a good chance they will make it a launch with INVERSIONS instead of airtime, causing lots of disrupt for SFMM fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Well if you read the stupid GP comments, a ride sucks unless it has inversions lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Here guys, hopefully this will clear things up for you:Â The drop is more than 50 Manute Bols tall. Â We need to bring a 416-foot tape measure to SFMM for media day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Here guys, hopefully this will clear things up for you:Â The drop is more than 50 Manute Bols tall. Â We need to bring a 416-foot tape measure to SFMM for media day. Â LOL... Yeah I'm sure riders are going to be worried about stupid crap like rather the ride goes up another 20ft while they're screaming and holding on for dear life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I happened to be right in my email right when the re-scheduled dates were available for the extra ride time, and it wouldn't be SFMM without them forgetting to clear the old data for the form submissions (so it told me my annual pass number had already been used). I emailed and got a quick response saying they had their programmer clear the data now. I selected and received next Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonlva Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 yah its "suppose" to be announced (the new ride) Tomorrow! hopefully it is/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSum1_55 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 The actual height of Lex is known by a secret society of monks. I am a member of the society. But, I cannot tell anyone the height because you may not be a monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think we'll have a very nice Q&A at WCB next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) The actual height of Lex is known by a secret society of monks. I am a member of the society. But, I cannot tell anyone the height because you may not be a monk. Â Here we see the Order of St. Luthor during a typical visit to the park. Â They're also praying for the original lapbars to be restored to Revolution. Edited July 4, 2012 by cfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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