Hansa Park Discussion Thread

Tanks4me05 · January 29, 2014

^^Actually, after going to IAAPA, I talked to the guys at Intamin and they said he is officially fully retired. It's only the company that he started, not him himself.

jedimaster1227 · January 29, 2014

He also designed Son of Beast

How'd that work out?

Edited January 29, 2014 by jedimaster1227

coasterkyle · January 30, 2014

that was my point

gerstlaueringvar · January 30, 2014

I don't think SoB's Failure has too much to do with Stengel god though. RCCA has a tradition of building rough rides( *cough* Bandit, Rattler, Coaster Express, White Canyon, etc *cough*) I think it's mainly due to construction flaw.

_koppen · January 30, 2014

Wait, wait, wait- you're telling me that the SAME PERSON who built Millennium Force, Bizarro, and Maverick is building this? HOLY F**KING S**T THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!!!!

It says calculated by Stengel, which means that Gerstlauer has designed the coaster, and then Stengel have been calculating it so se if it's realistic, or if something has to be changed.

So mostly done by Gerstlauer, and maybe a few changes made by Stengel.

KingRCT3 · January 30, 2014

Werner is not designing rides anymore, it's his company which carry on, look: http://www.rcstengel.com/

Kooky · March 30, 2014

there are some news from a german-newspaper on this one (source: http://hansapark-fanclub.de/?p=1796 ):

Der Turm, der dem 35 Meter hohen Original in Helsingborg (Schweden) nachempfunden sein wird, soll in den nächsten Wochen an der Stelle des ehemaligen “Power Tower Monte Zuma” entstehen und über 80 Meter hoch sein. Die neue Achterbahn wird vom Turm aus in westliche Richtung, eventuell um die Glocke herum, führen. Dabei erreicht der Zug auf der ca. 1,5 km langen Strecke eine Geschwindigkeit von über 100km/h und maximale Belastungswerte von 5G. Desweiteren betont Andreas Leicht, dass der Turm nicht zur Aufwärtsfahrt dienen soll. In wenigen Wochen sollen der Bau des Turmes, sowie erste Bodenmessarbeiten beginnen.

Quelle: Lübecker Nachrichten 30.3.2014

Onlineausgabe: http://www.ln-online.de/Lokales/Ostholstein/Auf-den-Spuren-von-Kaernan

Sound intresting... they rebuild the original 35m tower from Helsingborg (sweden) but it will be 80 meters high (ca. 262 feet). The track will come out of the tower westwards in direction and around the ride "Die Glocke". The complete track lenght is about 1.5 km and it will run faster as 100 km/h with maximum Gs of 5g.

But the most intresting point is, that Andreas Leicht (owner of the hansa park) mentioned that the tower will not be used to bring the trains upwards.

My speculation: Maybe this will be the first Hyper Coaster with a first drop inside a 80 meter tower. Or maybe it has a free-fall element inside the tower (but seems way to crazy for a full coaster train to be dropped on a freefall segment about 70 meters inside a tower)

rcjp · March 30, 2014

^When he said that that the tower will not be used to bring the trains upwards does it mean that the train will not be pulled upwards inside the tower or that it won't go up while inside it? Because the first one would allow for a launch to take place and then the tower would be the place where the train would go up. Still I think that would be unlikely as their other Gerstlauer already has a launch and it would have to go pretty fast to climb 80 meters (something strange using LSMs, which is what gerstlauer uses).

Anyway, this is looking very interesting!

gerstlaueringvar · March 31, 2014

Wow! 1.5km and 5G's plus Gerstlauer's ejector air! This coaster is going to be great!

Maybe the Spiral Lift is coming back, I guess the inside of the tower would be like Euro Amir's lift.

coasterfreak101 · March 31, 2014

This sounds really interesting! Can't wait to hear more.

linearinduction · March 31, 2014

Wait, wait, wait- you're telling me that the SAME PERSON who built Millennium Force, Bizarro, and Maverick is building this? HOLY F**KING S**T THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!!!!

It says calculated by Stengel, which means that Gerstlauer has designed the coaster, and then Stengel have been calculating it so se if it's realistic, or if something has to be changed.

So mostly done by Gerstlauer, and maybe a few changes made by Stengel.

*Gives Standing Ovation* Stengel has been getting Credit for "Designing" Coasters for way too long when his Firm only does the Calculating and Plans for the Fabricator.

Parkhopper · April 5, 2014

Hansa Park has posted the first pictures of their new Karnan hypercoaster project site as the ground clearing has begun.

http://www.kärnan.de/en/bildergalerie/

GrapesLie · April 5, 2014

Wow how have I heard so little about this park! This park is AWESOME!

simon8899 · April 24, 2014

Some new bits from the official website

- The trains will have 16 seats with lapbars only

- Hansa's new signature ride, visible from far away

- A way bigger project than any before in the parks history

- The full ride name is:

The Oath of Kärnan - Beware of his spell!

simon8899 · April 30, 2014

According to Hansa's newsletter and also reported on parkerlebnis.de the coaster will feature a vertical lift as well as a vertical first drop.

Maybe with a holding brake and effects inside the tower...

Edited April 30, 2014 by simon8899

_koppen · April 30, 2014

That is awesome!!

I did suspect it might be a vertical lift after hearing how big the building would be, but I never thought they would do a vertical drop on this one.

BDG · April 30, 2014

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Edited September 1, 2014 by BDG

simon8899 · April 30, 2014

^I was thinking about the first drop not the lift. Like the holding brake of a Diver...

rcjp · April 30, 2014

That is awesome!!

I did suspect it might be a vertical lift after hearing how big the building would be, but I never thought they would do a vertical drop on this one.

I actually thought they could do a "very beyond vertical drop" but it's still great.

I would like to see, one day, a coaster with normal trains (normal length) feature a beyond vertical drop. Of course it would have to be really tall, but there are some very tall rides nowadays, so..

Because, to me, the thing is the taller coasters get the less airtime their drops will have if they limit themselves to 90 degrees drops. B&M seems to design their hyper drops so that they provide constant floater air all the way and I suppose a coaster with a around 400 ft vertical drop would do that. So, from then on, unless you design a drop like this:

which looks ridiculous, you will never get ejector air in such a big drop (like you do on skyrush). The other option would be to go vertical in the first 100 or 200 feet but then the rest would be just boring.

So what I thought of was if they took a 300 or 400 ft drop and shaped it so that it would provide ejector air all the way, and I'm sure it would have to be beyond vertical.

simon8899 · May 28, 2014

First heavy construction machine has arrived on site

Kärnan Construction Picture blog

simon8899 · June 15, 2014

Another newsbit from the Kärnan site:

- Kärnan will have a darkride section before the lift

- Kärnan will have a darkride section before the unloading plattform

- All markers for supports will be set in the park by mid-June

KingRCT3 · June 15, 2014

Another newsbit from my speculations:

- Kärnan will be damn epic

Each news about that project is amazing! I'm sincerely very hyped-up, especially when you see what they did with Fluch! (If you only watched a POV or been there the first year, don't miss the improvements they added since!)

simon8899 · July 1, 2014

parkerlebnis.de reports that Kärnan will feature at least one inversion inside the darkride section. Next to that there will be also a figure formed like a heart.