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I think I am the only one who wants a 17 inversion gerstlauer coaster to take the record of most inversions on a single coaster

 

I'll be honest... A year ago, I would have been completely on board with this! But now, I'm not so sure...

 

I think the smiler was a freak thing.

 

The coaster is plagued with issues.

 

Ha trust me, you don't want anything like The Smiler. It's just not that great of a ride, the inversions are fun to a point, but it's just nothing special. Also the Gerstlauer rattle is pretty bad on it and the roughness on certain elements is pretty nasty. It's just not really suitable for Cedar Point.

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^^^If the park's height restrictions are in fact a cause of the various incidents (including the major one) with the ride, wonder what that'll mean for height restrictions at that park in the future?

 

As for CP, has anybody seen signs of the b&m track being shipped out anywhere from the plant yet?... To either CP or CW?

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The problem with the smiler is the height restrictions. They had to make a duel lift, with way to many sensors.

 

Parts have fallen off the ride on more than one occasion. That's quite significant, and much more than a height issue.

 

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^^Not to continue to be the bringer of disappointing (for most, at least) possibilities, but "Historic" doesn't necessarily mean "record breaking." It could be referring to bringing back a part of history - ie. a dark ride, particularly an homage to the Pirate Ride. Honestly, breaking records just doesn't seem like reason enough to say "Historic"...

 

Having said that, this really is succeeding at amping me up for the announcement, which is, obviously, their intent!

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I don't think Cedar Point could make this anymore obvious that they are announcing a coaster, without clearly saying "We're announcing a coaster!", and yet people are still thinking this will not be a coaster?

 

That makes two Cedar Fair announcement dates set now:

Tuesday, August 18th - Valravn at Cedar Point

Thursday, August 27th - Carolina Harbor at Carowinds

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I don't think Cedar Point could make this anymore obvious that they are announcing a coaster, without clearly saying "We're announcing a coaster!", and yet people are still thinking this will not be a coaster?

 

Look, I REALLY want this to be a coaster too! But I DO NOT get the "obviously it's a coaster, duh!" vibe from anything I've seen yet. Assuming there is a coaster element to the dark ride (Like WMG), even the wall procession could be pointing to it. What do you think sounds more "Historic", and EPIC - grabbing the attention of everybody, not just coaster enthusiasts... "Announcing, Cedar Point's first immersive dark ride and roller coaster experience!" Or... "Announcing the world's highest, fastest, and longest Dive Coaster!" Again, I want this to be a coaster, but I've seen nothing yet to make me certain it will be, and plenty to give me doubts that it will be.

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These next 15 days may be the most tense days of the year. If its a dive coaster I will be beyond happy, a dark ride, its OK just not something insanely special. Wonder Mountain Guardian is not a people gobbler at all, while a B&M dive coaster may not have a capacity as large as Raptor or Rougarou, im pretty sure it is larger than a dark ride. Actually does anyone have a capacity number for really any dive machine? Just wondering.

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Actually does anyone have a capacity number for really any dive machine? Just wondering.

 

Baron 1898 has a capacity of 1000 riders per hour.

Griffon 1400 riders per hour.

Ovlivion (AT) 1900 riders per hour.

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These next 15 days may be the most tense days of the year. If its a dive coaster I will be beyond happy, a dark ride, its OK just not something insanely special. Wonder Mountain Guardian is not a people gobbler at all, while a B&M dive coaster may not have a capacity as large as Raptor or Rougarou, im pretty sure it is larger than a dark ride. Actually does anyone have a capacity number for really any dive machine? Just wondering.

 

Griffon can pull 1400 per hour. But those are 10 across trains. Baron has 6 across cars with 1000 per hour.

 

So if Cedar Point goes with 8 across cars, that's approx. a 1200 per hour theoretical capacity. Not too worried B&Ms are always people eaters.

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Baron 1898 has the two rows of seven formation, and has an hourly theoretical capacity of 1000. Griffon has the three rows of ten formation, and has a theoretical hourly capacity of 1400.

 

B&M''s always have high capacity so you shouldn't worry about that at all.

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I don't think Cedar Point could make this anymore obvious that they are announcing a coaster, without clearly saying "We're announcing a coaster!", and yet people are still thinking this will not be a coaster?

 

Look, I REALLY want this to be a coaster too! But I DO NOT get the "obviously it's a coaster, duh!" vibe from anything I've seen yet. Assuming there is a coaster element to the dark ride (Like WMG), even the wall procession could be pointing to it. What do you think sounds more "Historic", and EPIC - grabbing the attention of everybody, not just coaster enthusiasts... "Announcing, Cedar Point's first immersive dark ride and roller coaster experience!" Or... "Announcing the world's highest, fastest, and longest Dive Coaster!" Again, I want this to be a coaster, but I've seen nothing yet to make me certain it will be, and plenty to give me doubts that it will be.

 

Quote from this article: http://www.latimes.com/travel/themeparks/la-trb-cedar-fair-dark-rides-20150415-story.html

 

With no Amusement Dark projects currently in the pipeline, it’s unlikely we'll see any new dark rides added at any Cedar Fair parks in 2016 — but that hasn’t stopped Ouimet from planning for 2017 and beyond.

 

 

"We have blank spaces and empty boxes at every park," Ouimet said.

 

I think we're looking at a coaster and no dark ride, for 2016 at least.

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"everything will become clear..."

 

It's a play on the word clear. Follow the clues... once you add the 15 (the amount of days left) and divide by pi, carry the 2, then use those coordinates on a ouija board it spells out "All clear means you're out of here. Sit back, hang on tight and enjoy your flight on Divehawk 223.

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^^Not to continue to be the bringer of disappointing (for most, at least) possibilities, but "Historic" doesn't necessarily mean "record breaking." It could be referring to bringing back a part of history - ie. a dark ride, particularly an homage to the Pirate Ride. Honestly, breaking records just doesn't seem like reason enough to say "Historic"...

 

Having said that, this really is succeeding at amping me up for the announcement, which is, obviously, their intent!

Or bringing back a "coaster dark ride" like Disaster Transport?

 

... All will be CLEAR.... CP gets DARKRIDE... CW gets...

 

The "All clear!... That means you're outa here! Enjoy you're ride on Ziz! Canada's first and only Vertical Diving coaster here at Canada's Wonderland!"

 

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"everything will become clear..."

 

It's a play on the word clear. Follow the clues... once you add the 15 (the amount of days left) and divide by pi, carry the 2, then use those coordinates on a ouija board it spells out "All clear means you're out of here. Sit back, hang on tight and enjoy your flight on Divehawk 223.

 

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I don't think Cedar Point could make this anymore obvious that they are announcing a coaster, without clearly saying "We're announcing a coaster!", and yet people are still thinking this will not be a coaster?

 

Look, I REALLY want this to be a coaster too! But I DO NOT get the "obviously it's a coaster, duh!" vibe from anything I've seen yet. Assuming there is a coaster element to the dark ride (Like WMG), even the wall procession could be pointing to it. What do you think sounds more "Historic", and EPIC - grabbing the attention of everybody, not just coaster enthusiasts... "Announcing, Cedar Point's first immersive dark ride and roller coaster experience!" Or... "Announcing the world's highest, fastest, and longest Dive Coaster!" Again, I want this to be a coaster, but I've seen nothing yet to make me certain it will be, and plenty to give me doubts that it will be.

 

Quote from this article: http://www.latimes.com/travel/themeparks/la-trb-cedar-fair-dark-rides-20150415-story.html

 

With no Amusement Dark projects currently in the pipeline, it’s unlikely we'll see any new dark rides added at any Cedar Fair parks in 2016 — but that hasn’t stopped Ouimet from planning for 2017 and beyond.

 

 

"We have blank spaces and empty boxes at every park," Ouimet said.

 

I think we're looking at a coaster and no dark ride, for 2016 at least.

 

Fair enough... I just hope this isn't another classic amusement park misdirection!

 

Assuming that CP doesn't get its "Amusement Dark" ride until 2017 or later (I'd guess 2018, at the latest), does anybody else think that the coliseum building could potentially be in play for the location of the attraction? I know they wouldn't likely want to remove the hardwood floor on the second level from the old dance hall, but do you think it's still a feasible option?

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It amazes me how many still believe this will be a dark ride. There are two key indicators saying this is a coaster.

 

1) Matt Ouimet's interview in which he said there will be no dark rides in 2016.

2) Land clearing/coaster wall. This area is way too big for just a dark ride and is prime territory for a coaster.

 

If you haven't read the first panel on the teaser, I recommend you do. "This legacy of world class roller coasters continues here." How can you seriously believe this won't be a coaster after reading that?

Sorry, Canada's Wonderland diehards--not a dive coaster.

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