Rockman89 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I don't know if this has been posted here but I came accross the coolest blog today. It labels itself as, "A forum for Pixar and Disney professionals passionate about the Disney Theme Parks to catalog past Imagineering missteps and offer up tenable practical solutions in hopes that a new wave of creative management at Imagineering can once again bring back the wonder and magic that's been missing from the parks for decades. The opinions expressed at Re-Imagineering are those of the individual contributors and do not necessarily represent the opinions of The Walt Disney Company." It's a great read. http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMorgan Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 How did you find that!??! I could spend hours reading there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 ^It was on JimHillMedia the other day. I really like that blog, I think it's very interesting and in many ways true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockman89 Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 I'm slow; I found it on Boing Boing today. I love how insightfully honset it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoubraStreet74 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Wow. Thanks alot for the link! I could seriously read this thing for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Thay was very insightful, and while reading i do realize what he is talking about. They need to have the designers make the final desisions. And if what thwy are preposing is too expensive then same up, dont skimp out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I was reading the Jim Hill article earlier this morning. I'm excited to see what Big John (Lasseter) and the guys at Pixar will do to the Disney parks. The Haunted Mansion seems to be getting alot of really cool new special effects that will supposedly change the storyline. (And thank god they're not basing it off the movie like what Pirates is recieving! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECZenith Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Good find man, very interesting stuff. (AND ALL TRUE!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelizeIt Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have to say that this is a great site! I agree with them about how Disney's CA Adventure, is an example of how the Great Disney Empire can occasionally fail. Yes, DCA does have some decent attractions, but it lacks Walt Disney's sole. When Disney creates a new Theme Park (Lets Face It) Expectations are going to be high! DCA does not deliver! I know the Alveys (Especially Robb) enjoy this park. But, forgive me, it lacks in so many ways! What was the quote on this site... "DCA, A park that transports you neither back in time, nor forward, nor a distant land or an imagined place. It's a Disney Park that doesn't move you." I couldn't agree more!!! Disney built DCA on the cheap! And it shows!!! The total dollar amount to construct DCA includes the new Hotel, as well as Downtown Disney. But, the Theme Park itself should be so much more than it is! At this point, nothing short of a massive redesign of the Entire Park, would help to improve it for the future. Disneyland will always be considered a great Theme Park! DCA, needs to lose the worthless CA Theme, and reinvent itself for the future! (Whatever the cost!) Disney has the resources to accomplish this; I can only hope that they decide to do so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 "...but it lacks Walt Disney's sole" (BelizeIt) Of course---Walt never walked in that park! [rim shot] Sorry, I had to... Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelizeIt Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 ^Fair enough EBL! But, being from Ventura, I assume you have in fact visited DCA??? Was it all that you dreamed it would be??? Would Walt Disney himself, be proud to walk around this "Disney Park?" Forgive me, but I don't think so! I hope the years to come will bring about a change for the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Does these people want some cheese with their w(h)ine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelizeIt Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 No Jew, I don't think so! I know you are a favorite with the Alveys! You have traveled the world with them! But, that doesn't Excuse this Theme Park! (DCA) You should have known better! DCA, should be much more than it is!!! Walt Disney himself would be disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 ^ Have you ever heard of paragraphs? Anyway, I don't think DCA is that bad. It needs a few more big rides, but I'd much rather spend a day there versus Knott's or Magic Mountain. They are already making the strides in general improvements to make it more enjoyable with the Placemaking projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 ^^I *HAVE* traveled the world with the Alveys, and guess what I have found? DCA is not the worlds worst theme park. Shocking, I know. Coulda. Shoulda. Woulda. Walt's dead. Who the hell knows what he would have done different/think of every new Disney attraction or park/etc? I freaking hate it when people say "Walt would..." because dead people generally don't run theme parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maliboomer Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 If you don't like DCA, don't spend your money there... why is this so complicated? These strange cults boycotting it and every single change to any Disney park are just annoying, and so 2001. It really gets old hearing people to refer to these 'golden days' which never existed. If you dislike something in the parks, hope it will eventually be changed (there is literally nothing you can do about their decisions) instead of 'OMG! It's like, so totally not as good as what was in 1987. I want it back. Now. And until that happens, I will create a website to whine in!' Plus, Disney haterz smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Whilst that blog thing was certainly an interesting read, and it raised some key issues (Namely those flat-pack Mickey hands all over Epcot and MGM), I can't help but to think the majority of it is impractical and old fashioned. The modern audience and next generations are going to be different from those that preceded them. They are going to have new tastes, new styles, new desires. What was entertaining for their grandparents is not going to receive the same reaction from them. Using the upcoming Nemo submarine as an example- Yes, The Jules Verne version was classic and grand. I'm a huge Jules Verne fan and would have loved that 2000 leagues, but I'm also in the small minority. Kids of this generation do not know Jules Verne, they know Pixar. I'm sorry to all those people who are hanging on to each word of that guy, dreaming of the "golden years", but I'm afraid that mere nostalgia is not a valid reason to neglect modernisation and ignore the NEW audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I really like this blog. Although some points are a bit extreme for my taste, I think it's good to hear other people's views and compare them to your own. I do agree with this guy on the over-marketing of the characters. I think that Disney needs to turn out more original attractions that aren't movie based. Tommorowland at the MK is quickly becomming Pixarland and FantasyLand is slowly losing it's classic touch with every new addition it gets. He's right about one thing, if this keeps up we'll never see another Haunted Mansion or Pirates. I also agree with him about removing the EPCOT sign from intop of Spaceship Earth, although I don't think it's quite as bad as he makes it out to be. I don't think Imagineering as a whole is lost though. Animal Kingdom has done a nice job of containing the characters within the park. The Evergreens are present, but not dominant, which is refreshing. MGM has also maintained a nice level of character presence. EPCOT is moving in a dangerous direction with character integration, but I think that EPCOT will still be a great park as long as they don't cheapen the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hattuchili Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 What a great side! Thanks for posting the link! --Sören Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisFL Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 A more sophisticated Audio Animatronic figure arriving in the 80's was initially a cause for celebration, but when the animators got hold of Lincoln they were more fixated on the technology than the performance, making Abe flap around like Richard Simmons on speed. that's effin hilarious!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownStreak Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 "Walt would..." Walt would be 105 years old now! Yeah he died "early" in life, but I don't really know if I'd want to visit a park designed by someone who is 105 years old! In some ways he had it easy- its easy to be innovative when there isn't much else out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smells_like_team_disney Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think BelizeIt makes some very valid points. Here is a company that has decades of experience towards theme park design and it seems to many that they took several steps backwards with DCA. Personally, I LOVE DCA, it's such an inviting and relaxing change of pace from its much-developed older sister. Plus, there is so much potential with the park, we've only begun to see it grow. I think that the Placemaking projects are definitely a move in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 "...being from Ventura, I assume you have in fact visited DCA???" (BelizeIt) Actually, I'm from Camarillo, but you got the county right. And, yes, I've been to DCA several times (I was there a couple of weeks ago in fact); enough to allow me a fair opinion: I like the place. It's not the greatest park in the world, but it's a different kind of place. Would Walt have liked it? Possibly; he liked doing "different" stuff (look at Disneyland compared to what was around at the time). But who could know? Walt's gone, and his company has to move on. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Walt's gone, and his company has to move on. I don't think that's true since every park has his named stamped on it. If they don't want to build in Disney's image then they shouldn't call it Walt Disney World. Now I'm not taking it to the extreme of the bloggers who argue constantly about the attractions, but when Disney builds a new attraction they need to at least consider if Walt would approve. Those who have read up on Walt's philosophies would know that there are certain things that Walt was very clear about, and the Imagineers in some cases have clearly violated those ideas. I haven't visited DCA, but I have been to all of the WDW parks many times since I was little and have seen some of the classic Disney magic vanish. Walt always said that if you take out an attraction, you need to replace it with something even better. Does Pooh's playground look better than the Submarines? It's not. Is Pooh better than Mr. Toad? No. Is Stitch a discrace to Tommorrowland? Most would say so. Disney is able to build great attractions without Walt's guidance. Walt only had a small touch on the Haunted Mansion, and had nothing to do with Splash Mountain (my favorite ride at MK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maliboomer Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 It's a company, not a massive memorial to Walt Disney. As much as you might argue, he's nothing but a marketing opportunity these days to them. They would of renamed it Michael Eisner World if it was any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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