krakenmaniac Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 i have heard alot about the launch and 4d coasters so i want to hear what you think if B&M ever comes out with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegian coasterfan Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 In this interview with Bob Mampe from B&M he clearly say that B&M will do launch coasters in the future ' Â http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2010/08/coaster-stock-2010-recap-pt-2-qa-with-bob-mampe-of-bm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'd stick my next out and suggest that the next B&M prototype, potentially a 4D system, will be Secret Weapon Seven at Alton Towers in 2013. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammmmmy Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'd stick my next out and suggest that the next B&M prototype, potentially a 4D system, will be Secret Weapon Seven at Alton Towers in 2013.   That's what I think. It seems to make perfect sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteocrepaldi Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I think that now that we have a B&M giga coaster under construction we can expect to see a B&M launched coaster very soon! Â And I'm also expecting a 4d for Alton Towers in 2013! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 ^ Doesn't Alton have a height restriction? It'd be hard to make a good 4D so low to the ground/so slow. You'd need a lot of force to actually spin the seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 If the lift hill system is changed so that the train get gain a higher speed without too much height, then we could have a terrain 4D coaster at Alton Towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 If they do it were looking at the most reliable and maintenance free launch coasters in the buisness for sure, knowing B&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Just food for thought.  B&M - (9/28/11) Screamscape sources tell us that in the next season or two we can expect to see B&M premier an all new launched coaster ride system, as their next new coaster concept. Beyond this, I’m told that B&M would like to launch a 4D coaster concept, likely based on the new Wing Coaster technology, but this ride system is still several years away from becoming a reality. For now B&M have their hands full developing the new Wing Coaster system and getting their Launched coaster line off the ground.  I'd agree with that - I think we'll see them launch something on their own before we see them release a 4D model. It's going to take a lot of work for them to get a 4D perfect and as reliable as they need it to be to fit their caliber of rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 John Wardley said that Alton Towers' SW7 was in development from July of last year for an opening in March 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarTrekGeek Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm guessing the next B&M prototype will be for Alton Towers' Secret Weapon 7, launched or 4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 A terrain 4D coaster kind of defeats the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay20016 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 A terrain 4D coaster kind of defeats the purpose. Â How so? Spinning close to the ground or pointing towards the ground at the bottom of a dive could be some terrific thrills not requiring a huge amount of height... Â Bigger is not always better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalCoasters Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 ^And Alton has proved that to us time and time again. Â As for launched B&Ms...I don't know...After riding Hulk, B&M and Launch seems to equal rough rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project? Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 As for launched B&Ms...I don't know...After riding Hulk, B&M and Launch seems to equal rough rides. Â You mean B&M and some other companies launch system = rough rides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I've never had a rough ride on Hulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 A terrain 4D coaster kind of defeats the purpose. Â How so? Spinning close to the ground or pointing towards the ground at the bottom of a dive could be some terrific thrills not requiring a huge amount of height... Â Bigger is not always better... Â Yeah, but as I said before, the turning of the seats are the result of the coasters force, and the lower the force, the less intensely the seats would spin, and also if it were to stay close to the ground, it'd have less options of elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) ^I think you're thinking of a coaster with free spinning seats ala Green Lantern/Insane. Arrow's 4D seats (which are presumably something B&M could perfect) are rotated using a second rail (which has nothing to do with the forces at the time of rotation). Â As for launched B&Ms...I don't know...After riding Hulk, B&M and Launch seems to equal rough rides. Â I'm failing to see how having a launch to gain speed instead of a drop would cause a ride to be more rough. Hulk could just as easily have a steeper lift and a taller drop to compensate for the extra speed the launch offers; something tells me there would be no correlation between the drop and how rough the ride would be. Edited October 1, 2011 by CP_RULES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 ^Plus, a grand total of *one* launched ride isn't a very good sample size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6flagsbrad Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I've always thought it would be cool to see a coaster like X2, but the arm spinning controlled from inside the train instead of the track. That way they could install more combinations and possibilites each ride, so it's not the same ride each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ728 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I'm just hoping for one that's as smooth as a B&M, unpredictable as an Intamin ZacSpin, with a design inspired from the original Arrow 4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accelerate Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Also, concerning the height limit- I'm pretty sure that that is only on the side of the park that Nemisis is on. I'm pretty sure that Corkscrew and Oblivion both were/are above tree height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 But isn't Alton Towers basically a whole? Which could mean Oblivion and Corkscrew are in the center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shavethewhales Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 ^ Maybe you should look at an aerial of AT... http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Alton+Towers%4052.989203,-1.885014&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=0 IIRC, Oblivion is able to rise above the tree line in it's specific location because there are other trees which block the line of site between it and the neighbors. Â Anyway, as far as a B&M launch goes, I think too many people underestimate the progression of technology and engineering in this field. I do not think it will be hard for B&M to come up with a reliable launch system at all. Rather, the difficulty probably lies in making one that is ALSO cost effective, easily maintainable, is energy efficient, and maintains a high factor of safety. It has always been a question of whether it was worth it for the company to pursue such a design with limited reception and numerous technological issues to work out, not whether or not it was possible for B&M to do a launch system. Â Balancing all the factors at once is what makes real engineering so difficult. Until now, I can definitely see why it would have been counter productive for them to enter the launch field when their other products are still doing so well and their competitors are having to spear-head all the issues that launch systems have thrown. Now B&M can march into the field with high expectations from their customers their name unmarred by the issues caused by some of the early prototypes. Â The same goes for the 4d concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerCoasterSmi Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 B&M coasters are like the Rolls Royce of coasters, it isn't really the fact that launches are unreliable, LIM/LSM launches are really reliable (if you get them properly encased) (hydraulic, compressed air and tire driven not so much), it is making a B&M train which weighs a huge amount accelerate at the same rate as say an Intamin. And once you have done so you also have to think about the cost per launch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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