denning Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 ^ Not likely. It would be an unbelievably profound oversight by the designers if they made the Norwegian loop too big. If Fahrenheit valleyed at all, it was probably just the valley you sometimes get with new coasters that need broken into. Same designers who put in a heartline roll immediately after a 70mph launch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyweird Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^ Not likely. It would be an unbelievably profound oversight by the designers if they made the Norwegian loop too big. If Fahrenheit valleyed at all, it was probably just the valley you sometimes get with new coasters that need broken into. Same designers who put in a heartline roll immediately after a 70mph launch? Someone already mentioned this. Maverick's heartline roll was a structural problem and probably wasn't very apparent when they were designing it and thus could easily go unnoticed. However, making a Norwegian loop too tall for the trains to complete would stick out like a sore thumb. I am fairly certain that Intamin AG has enough experience to recognize when a coaster design is going against the basic laws of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusing_parks Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Theres nothing wrong with the Norwegian loop, or anything else, other than maybe the chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but how do you know this to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowit Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Just to let you guys know that this is not Intamins first Vert lift hill. This is the second. The first is somewhere in the southern hemisphere, albeit I do not know exactly where. This information came from a reliable source. I will try to locate the other coaster and post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom25 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Knowit, this is Intamin's 3rd verticle lift since there are two "ball" coasters already operating. My question is where are the testing videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterEricHP Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Can we all agree that this is Intamins first vertical lift with an actual several car train? Ball coasters only have one car at a time right? Anyways.. no excitement as we drove past yesterday. Aside from the amazingly good looking coaster the only thing I noticed is that the train was kind of just chilling at the base of the lift... half on and half off. Which is kind of odd I guess since there's a perfectly nice station there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-LILDAREDEVIL5- Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 I cannot wait to ride this over the summer. The only downside is I may have to wait a while(possibly an hour).I can't wait to see how they handle the huge crowds.Will they load/unload quickly or will lines grow up to and possibly over an hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastakid Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^ With Hershey Park, the lines are not usually that long, but with a new coaster, lines can get pretty ridiculous. Waiting an hour for a new coaster now-a-days isn't really that bad. I could imagine the line exceeding 3 hours + for this coaster, but don't go by me as I do not go to Hershey Park as often as I hit other parks such as Six Flag Great Adventure. -jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-LILDAREDEVIL5- Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^Lines Do sometimes get that long.Rollersoaker,Comet,and all Boardwalk attractions tend to see lines get up to 45+ to an hour during the middle of a busy summer day.On average,lines go to 30 for Comet and 'Soaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natatomic Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^True, but those suspended water coaster rides (whatever the office term for them is, I don't know it) aren't exactly known for their amazing hourly capacity. I'd imagine any park with those will have long lines on a hot days for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusing_parks Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 For those who asked how I know how it runs, I will say it again, seems to be like the 5th plus time, but oh well. I work at Hershey Park in Pioneer Frontier (where Fahrenheit is going for those who didn't know where that is). I saw it running on Saturday and Sunday, and I'm sure I will see it run this week. After it got to the top and went down, there were no problems. Again, there were no problems after it went down the first hill. I try to do all I can and maybe one of these days I will take a video or some pictures of it actually running. I have seen it run about 15 times. ADMIN EDIT: Corrected for grammar and spelling. Please read the TOS and try to improve on this. Thanks - Colin http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRR Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 I was at the park today and got to see Fahrenheit testing. I didn't notice any obvious problems, other than slow pacing at the top of the Norwegian and cobra loops. Here's some pics; unfortunately I don't have a video camera. I just wish it wasn't so cloudy... Would have made for much better pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees15 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 ^Thank you for those pictures! This ride looks great, I can't wait till I get to go back to the park in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcman Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 The ride does look freakin' sweet. Hopefully they actually have a soft opening in the couple of days prior to the opening. Come on May 21st... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusing_parks Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Great pictures and they just stuck that heat up sign up or I don't remember it, but if I saw it im sure I would of remembered. I also thought they took the dummies off, or some but they probley did stick that back on. I work tomorrow so I say something. Other than that, like I said great pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haux Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Does anyone know what this is on the underside of the wheels? Why is it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^That does sound possible they were doing that. This is one of the first 3-car trains that uses a vertical lift hill and since there are no anti-rollbacks on the lift it looks like (which kinda suprises me), they could be checking to see if the chain dogs can hold for a long period of time in case of a problem.The webcam wasn't updated today, either. With the park opening tomorrow (wow. It feels like the off-season just started yesterday), we may know what really happened. No anti-rollback device? Can you confirm that? So the train is held only by the lift chain or chains and NOTHING else...so if they break the train plummets down and into the station. I find it extremely hard to believe that they would design this without the redundant safety feature of anti rollbacks. Just doesn't sound right. I hope this is not true...if in the unlikely event the lift chain or chains break there would be a serious catastrophe. I can't remember ever hearing about a lift hill on any rollercoaster that did not have some kind of anti rollback device on it. Common sense would say it had to be on there. Can someone clear this up? ^If it's only on that one axel on each train it COULD be the metal plate that trips the proximity switches as it goes by them to tell the PLC where the train is, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4blue Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^I can't actually find a link right now, but it has 2 lift-hill motors instead of having anti-rollbacks. This is apparently a very safe way of doing it, although I personally know nothing of engineering and don't know how it works But hopefully someone can back me up and explain why it's safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowit Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Perhaps they have magnetic brakes at the bottom of the lift hill in case of a roll back, similar to Storm Runner? Maybe the image from page 63 of the brakes on the flat track with the advancement wheels is the ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenA07 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 First off the idea for no anti-rollbacks does sound strange, however I really don't know much about engineering, so I'm guessing that they know what they're doing. As far as what is on the bottom of the wheels, I think magnetic brakes might be the answer, to me it almost looks like a skid pad, but I can't see any reason what that would be necessary. This looks like it is really going to be an incredible ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loefet Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 About the anti rollback device. Since it have dual chains to lift the train, you can see it as: One to lift the train and the other as the anti rollback device, the difference is that it's moving. They use the same system on their Zac-Spins, and one of the chains is more then enough to hold the weight of the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ccron10 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^Wow. I never thought of it that way. They could run one chain lift and have the other one turned off. And if the chain stops or the chain dog on one of the trains breaks, the other chain lift could catch it and still keep the train going up the lift hill and return it to the station where repairs could be made. I think that may be a new piece of lift hill technology in the roller coaster industry. I thought both chains would be running, but it sounds cool when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loefet Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^ My guess is that both chains will be running, by doing that it would be really quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFORCE Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 As already asked, what would happen if both chains broke? What, then, would stop the train from rolling back down the lift hill and crashing into the train in the station? It's far fetched, but it has a better chance of happening than every single anti-rollback notch built into a lift hill track breaking. That's the thing about anti-rollbacks built into the track, they are virtually fail-safe because there are so many of them. Two chains just doesn't seem like it is so much. I'm no expert on engineering or anything, so I could be missing something here, but I'm just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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