Invertalon Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Can't wait for this ride... I will be there close to opening day for it, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intimidator305 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Does anyone know the angle of the lift hill? It looks odd since it isn't nowhere as steep as Intimidator 305 and Millennium Force's 45 degree lifts. Looks somewhere about 30+ degrees to me? Edited December 13, 2011 by Intimidator305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW_Nut Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 No clue, but in person it appears on par with Behemoth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollin_n_coastin Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) ^Agree, it does look the same as Behemoth. Just a bit longer Edited December 13, 2011 by rollin_n_coastin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I would imagine that it's 45* like all their new hypers, including Behemoth. Maybe it's just the angle of the picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Does anyone know the angle of the lift hill? It looks odd since it isn't nowhere as steep as Intimidator 305 and Millennium Force's 45 degree lifts. Looks somewhere about 30+ degrees to me? Â When Intamin built Millennium Force they went with the cable lift because if they wanted a chain then the lifthill could only be around 30 degrees steep. Â I would imagine that it's 45* like all their new hypers, including Behemoth. Maybe it's just the angle of the picture? Â No, they are not. Somewhere around 35-38 degrees I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luukardinho Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 When Intamin built Millennium Force they went with the cable lift because if they wanted a chain then the lifthill could only be around 30 degrees steep. Â what about Fahrenheit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 what about Fahrenheit? Â And how high is Fahrenheit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^That point is irrelevant. I'm assuming that by asking how high it is, you're saying that the chain wouldn't be that long. If the lift for a giga were 30* versus 45*, then the chain would be even longer. A cable is more efficient and is less heavy (a big reason why Steel Dragon 2000 has two chains). So I very, very highly doubt that what you're saying is true as to why they went for a cable. Unless you can cite it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Fahrenheit also has 8 or so more years of engineering evolution in it than MF. I'm all good with the chain lift, you don't have to worry about catastrophic mechanical failures like you do with the cables. Pretty much any model involving a cable with Intamin has had some sort of instance of catastrophic mechanical failure that could have possibly risked the safety of the guests. Examples, cable driven launched coasters, TTD, Kingdaka, Xcellerator (I am sure some incidents are missing here). Cable lifts, MF's cable has broken twice, possibly risking the safety of the riders. Drop towers with the the Kentucky Kingdom incident. In addition to the safety factor, the issue regarding reliability with Intamin coasters comes up as well. Â I am challenged to think of a mechanical failure on a B&M coaster that has resulted in major injury or death, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^That point is irrelevant. I'm assuming that by asking how high it is, you're saying that the chain wouldn't be that long. If the lift for a giga were 30* versus 45*, then the chain would be even longer. A cable is more efficient and is less heavy (a big reason why Steel Dragon 2000 has two chains). So I very, very highly doubt that what you're saying is true as to why they went for a cable. Unless you can cite it. Â It was said by Sandor Kernacs during an Q&A session, but you knows best.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Fahrenheit also has 8 or so more years of engineering evolution in it than MF. I'm all good with the chain lift, you don't have to worry about catastrophic mechanical failures like you do with the cables. Pretty much any model involving a cable with Intamin has had some sort of instance of catastrophic mechanical failure that could have possibly risked the safety of the guests. Examples, cable driven launched coasters, TTD, Kingdaka, Xcellerator (I am sure some incidents are missing here). Cable lifts, MF's cable has broken twice, possibly risking the safety of the riders. Drop towers with the the Kentucky Kingdom incident. In addition to the safety factor, the issue regarding reliability with Intamin coasters comes up as well. Â I am challenged to think of a mechanical failure on a B&M coaster that has resulted in major injury or death, any ideas? Since when did getting stuck on a lift hill = safety risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^Intamin cables are potentially lethal just by their very existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 You don't see any potential risk in flying high tension cables and shards of metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerstlauer1 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^ Now it's just getting off-topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^ Now it's just getting off-topic... Â Let the moderators judge what is off-topic. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerstlauer1 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^ Just tried to help. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backseat%20Moderator  I am pointing out differences in how there have really been no ride related safety issues in the B&Ms in large part due to their usage of decent lift chain systems as opposed to cable driven systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBuckalew Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Fahrenheit also has 8 or so more years of engineering evolution in it than MF. I'm all good with the chain lift, you don't have to worry about catastrophic mechanical failures like you do with the cables. Pretty much any model involving a cable with Intamin has had some sort of instance of catastrophic mechanical failure that could have possibly risked the safety of the guests. Examples, cable driven launched coasters, TTD, Kingdaka, Xcellerator (I am sure some incidents are missing here). Cable lifts, MF's cable has broken twice, possibly risking the safety of the riders. Drop towers with the the Kentucky Kingdom incident. In addition to the safety factor, the issue regarding reliability with Intamin coasters comes up as well. Â I am challenged to think of a mechanical failure on a B&M coaster that has resulted in major injury or death, any ideas? Since when did getting stuck on a lift hill = safety risk? Â djw44 never said anything about being stuck on a lift hill, he is talking about cables snapping. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. Do you remember when Millennium Force's entire cable and catch car went over the first drop with the train? That is all that needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 That is all that needs to be said. Â I agree. The thread is about Canada's Wonderland, not Millennium Force and Intamin cables. Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCG2 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I remember a time when I considered CW to be a second-hand park and that even though I was lucky to be living close to a theme park, I always thought "Why couldn't I have been born into a family that lived in Florida or California?". All I could think about was how so many other enthusiasts had all these parks that were so much better than CW. Then Cedar Fair came along, and my perception changed with Behemoth and WindSeeker, but that nagging feeling was still there. Once Leviathan was announced, that feeling almost completley went away and now with this update, It's no longer there . I cannot wait to ride this in May and I really really hope it ends up being the most intense and awesome-ness filled machine that B&M has built in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ^ Just wait till the park moves to Woodstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyteowl Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Glad to see the ride is coming along nicely. I'm starting to get really excited for Leviathon now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1ticket5 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I'm in love with that overbank. Imagine going on that at 80+ mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemical_echo Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 ^ Just wait till the park moves to Woodstock. Woodstock is the park's third location. Niagara Falls has always been the new home of Canada's Wonderland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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