Xenox Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Just saw the video and i'd say it looks like a blatant attemt to sue for $$$$. Tigger grabs the hand and turns around, accidentally brushing the kid with the paw in like a "Hey get your hand off me" gesture. I mean what a wuss, the paw is probably really soft and a slow swipe such as that couldn't possibly hurt in the least. And WHAT in the name of green mooses from mars is all that shite about neck pains and painkillers, obviously some sort of set up seeing as the kid was laughing his head off as he got brushed... And notice that the media and the family are using the word punched, punch is a pretty powerful word as far as I know and is bound to get waaay more attention than "Tigger brushed at kids head" or something like that. Tony "The world is full of stupid people these days" Leskinen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwantRevenge Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Seriously Neck pains? the kid must have been made of tooth picks! how does that give soemone neck pains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 wheres that medical report with their address? someone should show the kid what a real neck pain is, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekoma Fan Boy Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I looked at the video and the way tigger laened back was that "Oh shoot I'm being choked!" kinda lean. I call BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I would love to see Tigger pull a Hanibal Lecture on the little sh!t and his family. Now that would make a good video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedKid Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 The cast member should be fired and the case should be dropped. Why should the cast member be fired? He was just defending himself. And he barely brushed the kid. Firing him would be as bad of a knee jerk reaction as suing Disney. While I personally don't think Tiger did anything wrong Disney should still fire him for not taking the proper actions. He did nothing bad but if Disney lets this go with no punishment it will further fade the line between what the company will and will not tolerate. But the cast member should be told that it is not their fault...they want to keep him/her but the public wants to see action toward the problem and thus he had to be fired...or at least warned or suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 ^ The problem with that stance is in your own post: Tigger did nothing wrong. If the employee is punished, he/she then has the opportunity and ground to sue Disney for unfair dismissal. And he/she would probably win. As much as good publicity is obviously HIGHLY relevant to the success of a company like Disney, the bad publicity caused by this event doesn't seem TOO major, and now that the lawsuit's been dropped.... There's no way they can let this employee go. A warning, yes, and MAYBE a suspension. But there's no way the castmember SHOULD be fired, and I very much doubt they will be. I'm glad if the family have dropped the lawsuit... Although I still seriously doubt the ethics of their home address being published on the internet... Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Bannedkid, you had me lost with the "he did nothing bad but if Disney lets it go with no punishment" part, that makes NO sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 While I personally don't think Tiger did anything wrong Disney should still fire him for not taking the proper actions. He did nothing bad but if Disney lets this go with no punishment it will further fade the line between what the company will and will not tolerate. But the cast member should be told that it is not their fault...they want to keep him/her but the public wants to see action toward the problem and thus he had to be fired...or at least warned or suspended. What counts as "proper actions"? Let the kid continue to choke/knock him over?? If this fades the line between what the company should and should not tolerate then tell us what he did wrong. You can't make two totally contradictory statements. Sorry but you're just not making any sense on this one. If anything they should make an example of the kid. Show the public that you can't just try and make an easy buck off a minor incident that the guest provoked. I would never work for a company who would tell me "it's not your fault, but screw you here's your pink slip". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedKid Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 As in he didn't intentionally attack or start the issue. He responded to something the kid did, and while I personally can understand, the actions he took were not the correct ones. He did nothing major but that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or unpunishable. I guess its not a big deal now since the case was dropped, but if it did further develop Tiger should have received attention for his wrong doings. I am only going off of what I can see in the video, as that is the only evidence they had in the case...none of us know what his actions were entirely and what he was reacting too...just telling what I got out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 but you said "he did nothing bad" if he did nothing bad, why should it not go unpunished, but now you said he did something bad? or is wrong and bad different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 He did nothing major but that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or unpunishable. But you're proposing a very slippery slope. Punish someone for something extremely minor, and you open the door for every ambulance chasing lawyer out there to sue the crap out of Disney. Not too mention that punishing someone in a union for something like that would never go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedKid Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 ^^No, I said I didn't feel like he did anything bad, but then again I'm not one of the largest companies out there so I don't have to cover my actions to make sure I have a clean track record. I then continued my argument about him not doing anything wrong...assuming that you read the sentence right before it stating my opinion on the quality of his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ^Maybe you should get fired for not knowing what the heck you are saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sound Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 You can see the kid moving his arm downwards just before Tigger does the things. He was undoing the zip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastrfreak2000 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 His father is suspicious. Look at his facial expression when his son is talking in one of the interviews. It's the "tell them what I told you to say so we can pull this scam off" face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ^Maybe you should get fired for not knowing what the heck you are saying... LOL I'm just so glad the "family" dropped the suit because they found how everyone knew they were money hungry losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 His father is suspicious. Look at his facial expression when his son is talking in one of the interviews. It's the "tell them what I told you to say so we can pull this scam off" face. I would love to see a link to this video. Not the park video. The video of this interview. Honestly, it appears as if the cast member was turning to stop the kid from doing something behind him and unavoidably tapped the kid on the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ^ The interview is in the news report. This should be the one he was reffering to. http://youtube.com/watch?v=CiPPxBxPBOw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastrfreak2000 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ^That news report was very similar, but not the specific one I referred to. This is: http://Http://www.local6.com/news/10685989/detail.html It is the link "Home Video" on the right under the video player. Just a little more than 1/4 into the video he asks his son "how hard did he hit you?". Pay attention to his facial expressions and attitude. It's odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderLock Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 By the way Tigger turned, he may have been going for a hug. Or maybe the "cover the face with paw" thing. Plus, that suit, I imagine, must be a little harder to move the arms in, so maybe he was tired and he needed a little omph to get his arm up. His father is suspicious. Look at his facial expression when his son is talking in one of the interviews. It's the "tell them what I told you to say so we can pull this scam off" face. Now that I think about it, the father seemed a little too irrational. He wants to make a huge deal about this maybe because he doesn't really like Disney like his family. You can see the kid moving his arm downwards just before Tigger does the things. He was undoing the zip. Also, I don't believe the father says anything when the kid is hit... Then the fact is that the kid is less worried than everyone else. If it is not either, then definatly scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 By the way Tigger turned, he may have been going for a hug. Or maybe the "cover the face with paw" thing. yeah i don't think he was gonna beat the boy up. but he just wanted to hug. well i'm sure he was gonna do 'the cover the face with paw' at least though. he should not have got sued if it was not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstevet07 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I love how the dad says Tigger really hit him. Um, looking at the video, it was no way a hard slap. Something is defintely up with dad during that interview. Plus, when the lady asked if he provoked Tigger, you could by his face he got real nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollermonkey Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The full length home video is really interesting. The dad films Tigger with the youngest two kids for a couple seconds, then points the camera at the ground and in the wrong direction for a long time. During this period he didn't stop recording, so you can hear a lot of talking. At one point, the dad starts apologizing for something. It is unclear what he's apologizing for, but during the interview he claims that it was because he was trying to get someone from the park to film him with his family and Tigger. From the camera movement, it doesn't seem like he gave the camera to anyone, or that he moved towards Tigger. I wonder if the boy who got 'Tigger-slapped' did something provoking at that point and the dad apologized for his son. Also interesting, is that the first thing Tigger actually does to the boy is to lock his arm in place to keep it from moving. I wonder if the kid had found the zipper and was starting to pull? The 'Tigger-slap' looks more like he was trying to twist away without the kid being able to move the arm that was behind tigger, and he accidentally grazed the boy's face. The #1 question is: WHERE THE HE** WAS TIGGER'S HANDLER? I've never seen a costume character at Disney without at least one, and usually more than one is present. If the handler left Tigger for whatever reason, that's the person who needs to lose their job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyscrappy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Honestly, the "slap" is so awkward that to me it looked like an accident. It looked like Tigger was turning to get the kid to pose with him but totally didn't realize the kid was jumping towards him at the same time. Just looks like they bumped into each other. The family making this claim are ridiculous and it makes me sick that they are this needy for attention. And, if the kid was being a jerk he deserved it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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