ariznglori Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Wing coasters are more flash than substance. They appear fun from the ground but leave the rider underwhelmed, rather like Wild Thing. No thank you. We need a real thriller. I was thinking about those cones in the parking lot...again... We know Dinos doesn't leave until 2019/2020...is it possible we may see a huge coaster that fills up the Dinos spot and takes up that part of the parking lot (perhaps even behind High Roller) along with a new entrance for 2020-21? I know that is a long way out, but it would open up a lot of land at once and factors in the necessary time to plan the ride. The park would most likely continue to work on other areas in the meantime and may even have a new coaster well before then in another location.
Snowyowl1028 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Another thing that would be kinda cool is if mad mouse got rethemed and got spinning cars. Not a big change but it could happen in an off year. I am okay with any B&M for our next coaster just as long as it is decent and not some trashy hand-me-down. I definetly agree that we need a high thrill attraction and we need it SOON.
VF15 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Wing coasters are more flash than substance. They appear fun from the ground but leave the rider underwhelmed, rather like Wild Thing. No thank you. We need a real thriller. Exactly. Another thing that would be kinda cool is if mad mouse got rethemed and got spinning cars. Not a big change but it could happen in an off year. I am okay with any B&M for our next coaster just as long as it is decent and not some trashy hand-me-down. I definetly agree that we need a high thrill attraction and we need it SOON. I wouldn't mind getting a relocated coaster as long as it's not a piece of crap like a Vekoma or a B&M standup. Although, I think our next coaster will probably be something new.
RCjunkie Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Wing coasters are more flash than substance. They appear fun from the ground but leave the rider underwhelmed, rather like Wild Thing. No thank you. We need a real thriller. Testify! Hallelujah! Keep preaching the gospel. Let's just hope after 9-10 years when the park gets a new coaster that CF does not treat VF like a red headed step child. The park could use a good investment in something thrilling.
ariznglori Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 I've heard that Alpina Blitz is an amazing coaster (Nearly identical to an Intamin mega-lite), and that cost about 9 million, according to rcdb. That would be awesome, right? It looks like fun! But I'd want to just go for an Intamin at that point; they have the best airtime.
VF15 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 I've heard that Alpina Blitz is an amazing coaster (Nearly identical to an Intamin mega-lite), and that cost about 9 million, according to rcdb. That would be awesome, right? It looks like fun! But I'd want to just go for an Intamin at that point; they have the best airtime. I would actually want a Mega-Lite, or pretty much any Intamin for that matter, over a B&M coaster because Intamin makes some really intense and amazing creations. However, I unfortunately don't think we'll see another Cedar Fair Intamin anytime soon because it has been five years since the last one (Intimidator 305), and I think they would prefer to have fewer reliability issues.
ariznglori Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 I think it's less to do with reliability issues than with Cedar Fair changing leadership and their vision, now realizing that they have to fill in holes in their parks' lineups to recapture the family market that spends the most money. Take the Breakers Hotel upgrades for instance. Cedar Fair put renovations off for years, making the hotel a cash funnel for guests who would spend most of the day waiting in line for lower-capacity rides and would need multiple days to hit up the attractions. The hotel was so bad that you couldn't even stay in the rooms in the rotunda, which was visually the most appealing part of the hotel. The new CEO is from Disney, he's going to make sure that the guest feels their experience is worth the money. If you can improve the guest experience and the perceived value of your product, you can charge even more for it (rinse and repeat until you're Disney World). New gate=increased perceived value, especially with a 20-30 million dollar coaster to greet you. New hotel rooms on the lake within walking distance of the best coasters on earth=increased value. Rides that break records on paper and devour lines so people can get on with shopping and eating and spending=increased value. Not to mention if the new rides have mass accessibility and appeal to grandparents and grandchildren alike, and everyone can enjoy most of the park together=increased value. Far beyond Intamin, B&M is right up that alley, offering a wider variety of unique train types and insane capacity, and are cheaper, less scary, the trains are comfy, and each coaster riding style evokes a reaction of "Ooh, I gotta try that, it looks fun and different," whether it's a floorless or invert or standup or flying or wing (some of these are not as fun as they look). Break records on paper as much as possible without scaring people so that the public feels like the ride is the best on earth, and have an occasional ride for the thrill-hungry, but don't break the bank on it. Most people won't enjoy it. BUT! Valleyfair is an excellent family park and lacks the perceived value that is injected by big additions and the occasional thrilling coaster. So we are going to get more thrilling additions, but almost always coupled with family-friendly upgrades so the public doesn't feel that the park is only for thrill-seeking teens who will ruin your family outing with their obnoxious hormones.
grsupercity Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Intamins chain lift/elevator lift coasters are good for reliability. Launch coasters need more maintainance and tlc. B&M has only ever made chain lifts, thus better reliability. They have never pushed the envelope or gone outside the box.
Snowyowl1028 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 B&M has only ever made chain lifts, thus better reliability. I know it isn't open yet but what about ThunderBird at holiday world? That looks like a nice launch coaster.
Comeagain? Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 B&M has only ever made chain lifts, thus better reliability. I know it isn't open yet but what about ThunderBird at holiday world? That looks like a nice launch coaster. But we have no idea what it's reliability will be like. It could be just as reliable as other B&M's. Or it could equal TTD for uptime. We can guess given B&M's history that it will do well, but this is a big technological leap.
GCI Wooden Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Far beyond Intamin, B&M is right up that alley, offering a wider variety of unique train types and insane capacity, and are cheaper I don't think that B&M is cheaper than Intamin...
Snowyowl1028 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I am okay with B&M or intamin I just want something awesome! I hope it has a speed higher than 70mph.
Password121 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not a Valleyfair local, but I can understand how you feel about the park (home park is Six Flags America). What you have to remember about thrilling coasters is speed=/= thrill. With a higher speed, the elements are much larger, which often means they aren't as intense. This also allows for fewer elements in the allotted space, making the coaster short. Often times, too short to be a complete ride (see Goliath at SFGam). A B&M invert seems very likely to me. Of all the inverts, Batamn clones are some of the beset, most intense coasters. That's of all coasters, too, not just inverts. I'm not saying Valleyfair is getting a Batman clone, but bigger is not always better.
ariznglori Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not a Valleyfair local, but I can understand how you feel about the park (home park is Six Flags America). What you have to remember about thrilling coasters is speed=/= thrill. With a higher speed, the elements are much larger, which often means they aren't as intense. This also allows for fewer elements in the allotted space, making the coaster short. Often times, too short to be a complete ride (see Goliath at SFGam). A B&M invert seems very likely to me. Of all the inverts, Batamn clones are some of the beset, most intense coasters. That's of all coasters, too, not just inverts. I'm not saying Valleyfair is getting a Batman clone, but bigger is not always better. True!
ariznglori Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Far beyond Intamin, B&M is right up that alley, offering a wider variety of unique train types and insane capacity, and are cheaper I don't think that B&M is cheaper than Intamin... Millennium Force was a 25 million dollar coaster in 2000. Fury 325 is 30 million today, but that's 14 years later. Today it would cost 34 million to build Millennium Force factoring in inflation.
VF15 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not a Valleyfair local, but I can understand how you feel about the park (home park is Six Flags America). What you have to remember about thrilling coasters is speed=/= thrill. With a higher speed, the elements are much larger, which often means they aren't as intense. This also allows for fewer elements in the allotted space, making the coaster short. Often times, too short to be a complete ride (see Goliath at SFGam). A B&M invert seems very likely to me. Of all the inverts, Batamn clones are some of the beset, most intense coasters. That's of all coasters, too, not just inverts. I'm not saying Valleyfair is getting a Batman clone, but bigger is not always better. Exactly. Taller and faster does not necessarily mean better. I think Wild Thing is the perfect example of that.
RCjunkie Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not a Valleyfair local, but I can understand how you feel about the park (home park is Six Flags America). What you have to remember about thrilling coasters is speed=/= thrill. With a higher speed, the elements are much larger, which often means they aren't as intense. This also allows for fewer elements in the allotted space, making the coaster short. Often times, too short to be a complete ride (see Goliath at SFGam). A B&M invert seems very likely to me. Of all the inverts, Batamn clones are some of the beset, most intense coasters. That's of all coasters, too, not just inverts. I'm not saying Valleyfair is getting a Batman clone, but bigger is not always better. Exactly. Taller and faster does not necessarily mean better. I think Wild Thing is the perfect example of that. Totally. Renegade has a smaller lift hill, shorter track and runs 20 mph slower yet crushes Wild Thing for all around thrills and is a much more fun ride. Add another 400-500 ft. on to a Batman clone (just to add one more element or turn to make it slightly different) and it would become the most thrilling ride at VF. #BringSomethingThrillingToVF
grsupercity Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Far beyond Intamin, B&M is right up that alley, offering a wider variety of unique train types and insane capacity, and are cheaper I don't think that B&M is cheaper than Intamin... Millennium Force was a 25 million dollar coaster in 2000. Fury 325 is 30 million today, but that's 14 years later. Today it would cost 34 million to build Millennium Force factoring in inflation. But at the time, B&M wanted over 30 Million to build a giga, and Intamin did it for 25
ariznglori Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 But at the time, B&M wanted over 30 Million to build a giga, and Intamin did it for 25 That's news to me. Curious about your source. I know B&M was rumored to be building a looping coaster with 10 inversions or so, but no price was mentioned as far as I know. If that is true then I suspect B&M has found ways to reduce the cost of its coaster construction moreso than Intamin if they can do Fury nowadays for so much cheaper, otherwise Fury would have cost $42.6 million with inflation (of course a hefty discount probably also was factored in with Cedar Fair's amount of huge new B&Ms--Gatekeeper, Leviathan, Banshee, Fury, Centurion, etc., always buy in bulk).
VF15 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm a bit confused on the Giga coaster talk because it isn't going to happen at Valleyfair. Maybe in another 20+ years we could get one, but even then, hoping for a giga is unfortunately a fanboy's pipe dream.
Password121 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Nobody was talking about a giga coaster at Valleyfair. They were comparing project costs of past giga coasters from B&M and Intamin.
ariznglori Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Sorry for getting off topic What if there were jumping fountains at Valleyfair? I don't see them nearly as often in parks as I'd like. They add a little touch of whimsy and I find them memorable. Would be a great addition to the path leading into Soak City!
VF15 Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Sorry for getting off topic What if there were jumping fountains at Valleyfair? I don't see them nearly as often in parks as I'd like. They add a little touch of whimsy and I find them memorable. Would be a great addition to the path leading into Soak City! Those actually look really cool. Would be a great addition to any waterpark, not just Valleyfair's. So, when is this place going to start looking like a waterpark?
ariznglori Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I imagine this cold snap isn't helping. But it looks like they're getting some stairs on the slide tower, so that's still progress. Pretty sure we'll see a massive leap in progress when the weather improves!
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