rabid disney Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Thanks to the park for allowing myself to post this photo enjoy http://www.ozcoaster.net/ Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro X 230 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 WTF?!?! Why does this one need OTSRs? The ride is supposed to give airtime, unlike KK or Rita. Intamin built a ride with an inversion this year that has t-bars!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I think ALL of the Intamin Rocket coasters now come with these trains. --Robb "thanks for posting the pics!" Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeah 7 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 ^^Rita gives loads of airtime... And its Galaxy Express 999 which has lapbars that inverts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 ^ It's also not a rocket coaster. --Robb "that's the only reason I can think that it doesn't have these newer trains." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benzo41190 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 IMO, i think that OTSR are stupid. I mean on most people the restraint is manly pressing on you waist any way. Like if you compare a vertical loop that has positive G's, to a huge airtime hill with T-Bars it just doesnt seem right. I mean you have a ride like Balder with T-Bars and then you have a looping coaster with no airtime and it has OTSR. Now I do understand how Flyers, Inverts, and Stand-Ups need OTSR, unless they invent a train that is suspended with T-Bars. Like I think Kumba with a B&M Calm Shell would be great. But now with over weight people riding, OTSR are the only way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clinksalot Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I think the OTSR's don't look too bad. Granted I haven't ridden a ride with those OTSR's yet, but from what I hear they aren't too constrictive. I'm still shocked they haven't put these on Xcelerator and TTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benzo41190 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 ^But excelerator and TTD only have 1 moment of air-time, also the air-time isnt ejector so there is no real need for OTSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Yankee Guy Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 WTF?!?! Why does this one need OTSRs? The ride is supposed to give airtime, unlike KK or Rita. Intamin built a ride with an inversion this year that has t-bars!!! I believe the reason that Intamin got rid of the T-Bars is because of the accident we had on Superman: Ride of Steel where the guy flew out from the restraint. So I'm taking a stab that Intamin didn't want another accident where someone died on their rides because the restraints wasn't properly secured. Here with the OTSR, the rider is completely locked in and it's pretty simple to tell if they can ride or not if the seatbelt doesn't lock. Granted I haven't ridden a ride with those OTSR's yet, but from what I hear they aren't too constrictive. No, if you're an average height/weight person they aren't too constrictive. I myself have no problem sitting in a Intamin train with OTSR and I still experience airtime because I got a gap between my shoulders and the top of the restraints. So I'm pretty much thrown around in a secured area. A good example of that is on Storm Runner when you go through that snake looping dive thingy. I'm still shocked they haven't put these on Xcelerator and TTD. I think the reason why they haven't put them on Xcelerator and TTD is because it will probably be hard to retro-fit OTSR onto the trains. And they probably also don't want to spend the money in buying new trains with OTSR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Ive gotten some pretty nice ejector air on TTD back seat depending on launch speed and wind conditions. Ive also heard the same for Xcel - just more frequently. It shouldnt matter if its one hill or 4. I think this is just a safety move on Intamins part and it sucks. I thought they did hamper my experience on KK (apart from the trains vibrating worse than any steel coaster Ive been on) so hopefully that doesnt happen here. However, on Storm Runner, they are NEEDED for the very extreme airtime and forces - not just for the inversions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benzo41190 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Well that is true but that was in the back, but then again sometimes TTD flies over the top hat. But it is just like a ride that has lots of airtime like Balder, Expedition G Force ect....... The only coasters I see a need for OTSR are like Stand-Ups, Flyers, and Inverts IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imhotep Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Intamins OTSRs arent constrictive, but I had a painful experience riding storm runner with my arms up. There is just no padding on the restraints, and everytime we took an inversion I thought my arms were going to be severed. Ok, maybe not that bad, but I had some very bad bruises. Needless to say I will be riding arms down on any Intamin with OSTRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I thin that it should be fine, even with the OTSRs, because intamin knows that people love the air on their rides, and i would think that they'd want to keep it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonKhan Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Yes, it is sad that we won't see the Intamin Lap Bars again, but it is gonna be like that. so be sure to treasure your Intamin Lap Bar Coaster! GE999 is a big exception. Not just the Lap Bars. The launch is unique. The train is unique and quite a few other things. It makes no sense, I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Ive rode about every seat on TTD and ive never got any real airtime except when I had backwards rollback airtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 The Intamin OTSR's are not well designed; probably a poorly thought out reaction to the SROS accident The thin profile with hard padding karate chop your head and neck. Storm Runner at Hershey uses these which don't kill the air time but really beat you up in the inversions unless you can manage to ride with your upper body pushed forward in the restraint; this way only your arms get beat, not your head. For most people the OTSR is so far away from your body that it is essentially useless. It would be nice to see a soft restraint, similar to those used on flyers or the Arrow butterfly retraints if the parks really feel these things are necessary. You would think Intamin would have learned from all the Arrow/Vekoma head banging we've all endured over the years. Even Premier figured out how to get rid of them in their launched coasters with no accidents since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF310ryb Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 From talking with park Employees at both Hershey and GADV. Intamin does not consider what we would call OTSR'S. They state it’s a redesign of their lap bar system. If you think about it we are being held in at the waist and not at the shoulder. The straps that are over us do not even make contact with are body unless you are a larger guest. I also have realized from riding TTD there is a lot more air time on both Storm Runner and even Kingda Ka. This is most likely because we are not completely stapled as the crews at Cedar Point have done. The only ride that I feel comes close to the air time on both Storm runner and Kingda Ka would be Xcelerator. The signs also state to hold onto the black grab bars which are on the lap bar portion. This is different since on a typical OTSR we hold onto the portion over our shoulder. I do not understand why everyone gets all edgy. As long as the ride still has air time I am happy and there is no way these new restraints restrict the air time. I am confident Intamin knows what they are doing to keep their rides safe with the same old shock factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I don't mind the restraints at all. The only difference between them and the T-bars are that the overhead restraints are even more idiot-proof than the T-bars are, which is why they've been put on Hydro and all the new Intamin Accelerator Coasters after the problems surrounding the T-Bar restraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Good point about the shoulder straps really being a secondary restraint; it's the lap bar and the shape of the seat that are primarily responsible for holding you in. The problem many have with the additional restraint is the head banging they create, especially smaller riders. When you see half the people getting off Storm Runner holding they're heads due to a restraint that does not fit they're body size properly, more engineering work needs to be done. I'm sure Intamin probably realizes this restraint system is a compromise to create additional rider safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid disney Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 Well im a little guy so i dont mind the otsr as they wont effect me plus this is a airtime coaster not a inversion one. Ian"Just glad Superman at my work"Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterking Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Well why can't they just have the bottom thing that wraps around without the shoulder straps? Isn't that how they re designed the restraints on SROS?, they don't have the shoulder things right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF310ryb Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 SROS does not have the this style restraint systems correct but this new design does allow more guests to properly fit safely into the seat. This allows more people to be able to enjoy these attractions. I guess you can compare it to having a larger seat for the whole train verses the single seat some of the B&M rides have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazen_AZN Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 (first post wo0t) ok, i think more rides should have restraints like X, where you take your OTSR and push it down, so it rests on your sholders. on sholders=no headbanging, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCoaster Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 ^ You obviously haven't been on a Togo. Manhatten Express has the push down OSTRs and it provides enough headbanging to make Flashback hang its head in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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