ParkTrips Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 Thats right the designing was done. It was done by Paramount before CF took over. CF couldn't have designed the new area for the ride in the time that it bought the park. LOL, the "area" designing doesn't take nearly as long as designing the ride. Why? Yes you might lose some original themeing and some classic rides, but CF is definatly at the top of the major amusement park operators (other than disney). You will get a clean park, quick operations, and a good B&M or GCI. I think thats a pretty good deal. LOL... I especially loved the "quick operations" line, ever been to Knott's? The company builds ONE GCI (well, its not even open yet!) and already its being compared to the Cedar Fair / lame B&M trend. Again, LOL! A B&M or GCI isn't worth it to me, especially not the B&Ms Cedar Fair has built. I really did not like Paramount as an operator, but would take them over CF any day. However this is all fairly irrelevant so I will stop now. Let's resume the ejaculations over a relocated Part-Time Vekoma Flying Device.
Carnage Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 Cedar Fair has only one major asset in Cedar Point. The rest of the parks are red headed step childs. CF has always been a one park chain + filler, I don't really see anything changing with the addition of Paramount.
ginzo Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 LOL, the "area" designing doesn't take nearly as long as designing the ride. Especially not when it's CF designing the area. Although they do seem to be doing a decent job with Maverick. I really did not like Paramount as an operator, but would take them over CF any day. However this is all fairly irrelevant so I will stop now. Imagine if CF took over your home park of SFOG. Say bye-bye to Goliath. I'm sure CF would replace that "not cost-effective" B&M, move it to CP, and contract with Vekoma to make a far superior hypercoaster. Imagine being lucky enough to have the first hypercoaster with OTSRs on it at your home park. Cedar Fair has only one major asset in Cedar Point. The rest of the parks are red headed step childs. CF has always been a one park chain + filler, I don't really see anything changing with the addition of Paramount. That certainly is the pattern. I'd say Knott's deserves way better than it has received. Their revenue is pretty close to what CP's is. Even if profit is a bit below what CP has, the park still deserves better than what they've received. It's a pretty lousy strategy to milk your other parks dry just to use the money to build up your precious "roller coaster capital of the world", especially when those coasters aren't anywhere near as good as CP wishes they were.
ParkTrips Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 ^ honestly I wouldn't think they would get rid of Goliath first.. it doesn't have enough history to go along with it, now are there enough trees that would have to go with it
Scaparri Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 CF is definatly at the top of the major amusement park operators (other than disney). Haha! I do hope you are kidding. Anheuser-Busch and Herschend are just a couple of companies that come to mind long ahead of Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair isn't bad, but they are a long ways from being "definitely at the top of the major amusement park operators."
Carnage Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 That certainly is the pattern. I'd say Knott's deserves way better than it has received. Their revenue is pretty close to what CP's is. Even if profit is a bit below what CP has, the park still deserves better than what they've received. It's a pretty lousy strategy to milk your other parks dry just to use the money to build up your precious "roller coaster capital of the world", especially when those coasters aren't anywhere near as good as CP wishes they were. Paramount was just as guilty for that actually. Canadas Wonderland is the highest attended seasonal park and yet that only gets them a few flat rides, and only 2 roller coasters in a decade. Supply and demand doesn't always go hand in hand with profit.
coaster05 Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 No way was X flight the star attraction of that park. The only reason it seemed that way was because it takes 10 minutes to load a train so it always has a line. It was definitely the star attraction. Wow with logic like that I should definately go bury my head in the sand and give up coastering forever. Find me one poll that verifies that claim. Now obviously polls are taken with a grain of salt, but how else would you make that claim. As far as the CF line thing try it at any other CF park and you will find the lines move nowwhere as quick as they do at the point.
jamesdillaman Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 Ginzo, Sign us up for free lodging, we could hit CP then if we could spend the night in between. That'd be a fun trip, actually. We'll have to talk more when all this snow goes away!! I miss the coaster days of summer!! I've got your digits, and vice versa. As for this thread.... what can I say? I'm just not excited about this move. I'm watching "Around the World with TPR" right now, the DVD, and after seeing all these rides, more than 3/4 of them are ones I'd rather have moved to my homepark than X-Flight. Anyway, I'm glad they're getting something, and I hope for CF's sake that the vast majority of the general public doesn't realize it's a relocated coaster. Probably not, I'm hoping. PKI was the park that Cedar Fair wanted to buy from the beginning, right after they acquired Geauga Lake, so I believe in my heart that they have plans for a good addition sometime in the near future. (A man can dream, can't he?) -james dillaman
PKI Jizzman Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 Atleast somthing wasnt removed to make room for X-Flight ....then there would be some SERIOUS dissaprovement going on. Again, I like that they are expanding the park, Flight of Fear and X-Flight, could be a new 'area'....but who knows.
cjeagle35 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 LOL, the "area" designing doesn't take nearly as long as designing the ride. The logistics of the ride, like setup, power, land surveying, ect. have to be planned long before a ride's debut. Because of it being a moved ride, I can see how the overall design my have taken less time. However, I still don't think its possible that all the surveying, designing, planning, and installations (other than actual ride pieces) could occur in 7 months time. LOL... I especially loved the "quick operations" line, ever been to Knott's? Only once, and I found their waits better than every single Six Flags or Paramount Park I've ever attented. Even though I don't think Paramount was horrible at this. The company builds ONE GCI (well, its not even open yet!) and already its being compared to the Cedar Fair / lame B&M trend. Again, LOL! Yes CF's biggest mistake is that it has been a late adaptor in the growing wood coaster environment. But with the ones they did build (Mean Streak and Herecules) I think they were very learly about building good woodies until they could find some that offer a good ride and low maintance. A B&M or GCI isn't worth it to me, especially not the B&Ms Cedar Fair has built. So your saying Talon, Patriot, Renegade, Xcellerator, Steel Vemon, Sierra Sidewinder, and Maverick are not good rides? I think most people would disagree with you. Also you also must realize, a mediocre B&M beats 75% of steel coasters in existence. I really did not like Paramount as an operator, but would take them over CF any day. However this is all fairly irrelevant so I will stop now. Well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I'd rather have Patriot than Italian Job. I'd like the antique car and flying eagles back. And I'd rather have Millennium Force at KI than SoB. And I wish every new ride the park built wasn't themed after a bad movie. Sorry but CF made better decisions, thats business. Imagine if CF took over your home park of SFOG. Say bye-bye to Goliath. I'm sure CF would replace that "not cost-effective" B&M, move it to CP, and contract with Vekoma to make a far superior hypercoaster. Imagine being lucky enough to have the first hypercoaster with OTSRs on it at your home park. Yes because there is a great precendent for this in the company's history. So far they have moved a grand total of one, yes ONE, roller coaster. Where does CF have a hypercoaster with OTSR on it? I thought only Six Flags put OTSR on coasters that didn't need them. Carnage wrote: Cedar Fair has only one major asset in Cedar Point. The rest of the parks are red headed step childs. CF has always been a one park chain + filler, I don't really see anything changing with the addition of Paramount. That certainly is the pattern. I'd say Knott's deserves way better than it has received. Their revenue is pretty close to what CP's is. Even if profit is a bit below what CP has, the park still deserves better than what they've received. It's a pretty lousy strategy to milk your other parks dry just to use the money to build up your precious "roller coaster capital of the world", especially when those coasters aren't anywhere near as good as CP wishes they were. But if you look at the numbers, except for Knotts and CP, most of CF's parks (before Paramount) are actually pretty small compared to Six Flags or the Paramount Parks. The attractions they got were top quality. Only CP and Knotts desevered new attractions every year because they were the parks that were really bringing home the money. REMEMBER 210mil A YEAR IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. Cedar Point has plenty of money in which from which to make 1st class additions, and they have THOUSANDS OF HOTEL ROOMS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. Honestly, I don't see why you hate Cedar Point so much for this. Haha! I do hope you are kidding. Anheuser-Busch and Herschend are just a couple of companies that come to mind long ahead of Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair isn't bad, but they are a long ways from being "definitely at the top of the major amusement park operators." When I said "Major Amusement Park Operators" I didn't include the Busch parks or Hershey. Bucsh only operates like 4 parks and as far as I know, Hershey only has 1. What I meant was either CF, Six Flags or Paramount, since they operate(d) a large number of parks. I believe CF has these parks beat in their operations. Otherwise, I agree with you.
coastrfreak2000 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 It's a pretty lousy strategy to milk your other parks dry just to use the money to build up your precious "roller coaster capital of the world", especially when those coasters aren't anywhere near as good as CP wishes they were. I do agree to some extent. CP is really full of themselves when it comes to their coaster collection. Their coaster rankings have been dropping farther down the polls as every year passes by. But we have to remember that many of the coasters are old and Cedar Point is kinda like the timeline of the coaster industry, showcasing the old and new, crappy and good investments. That wasn't a flame, by any means. ______ Cedar Fair has been shoving ride after ride and coaster after coaster into Cedar Point, while other parks are being neglected. I can't help but wonder what will become of the three major Ohio parks that CF owns. They virtually have no competition in the area anymore so I wouldn't be surprised if they started slacking off. Kings Island needs a GOOD, modern coaster made a by a reliable company like Intamin or B&M. I thought the park was nice but it lacked in real modern thrills. And PLEASE, not another woodie or Vekoma! Although I am excited to ride X-Flight, since it will be my first 'real' flyer, I don't believe this is a good adition to the park. From what I hear it has terrible capacity and that is not what Kings Island needs. When you have long lines you have guests getting bored and tired, when you have guests getting bored and tired they become angry at everything, when people become angry at everything and are tired, they enjoy the park less and then the park gives itself a bad reputation. Oh yeah, and I can't wait for the wonderful Cedar Fair trashcan invasion, beautiful concrete paths and awe-inspiring themed lands to come to the former Paramount Parks in the future! BTW, I smell a PKI fanboy in this thread....
cjeagle35 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 ^With every passing year a park's coaster ratings will go down. That is just simply progress as time passes and other parks build more coasters. Just think, did anybody have anything like Magnum in 1989?
coastrfreak2000 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 ^With every passing year a park's coaster ratings will go down. That is just simply progress as time passes and other parks build more coasters. That is not entirely true.
ParkTrips Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 So your saying Talon, Patriot, Renegade, Xcellerator, Steel Vemon, Sierra Sidewinder, and Maverick are not good rides? I think most people would disagree with you. Funny since only two of those are B&Ms and another two haven't even opened!!! When I said "Major Amusement Park Operators" I didn't include the Busch parks or Hershey. Bucsh only operates like 4 parks and as far as I know, Hershey only has 1. What I meant was either CF, Six Flags or Paramount, since they operate(d) a large number of parks. I believe CF has these parks beat in their operations. Otherwise, I agree with you. LOL! I think this just proves you're a typical Ohioan who doesn't know anything but Cedar Point, Herschend isn't Hershey, its the folks who run Dollywood, Silver Dollar City and more. Busch also owns seven parks, five theme parks and two water parks
cjeagle35 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Funny since only two of those are B&Ms and another two haven't even opened!!! My point only is that the recent coaster installations Cedar Fair has made lately are great rides, and there isn't any denying that. I think this just proves you're a typical Ohioan who doesn't know anything but Cedar Point, Herschend isn't Hershey, its the folks who run Dollywood, Silver Dollar City and more. Busch also owns seven parks, five theme parks and two water parks Okay, so I'm not as educated on Herschend, my apologies. Of these, I have only been to Busch Gardens Europe. But Herschend only operates 3 major parks. They are not nearly as big as Cedar Fair, Six Flags, or Paramount. All of the Busch and Herschend parks are high quality, I'm not doubting that, its just that are not as large of a nationwide chain as the others.
ginzo Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 I think this just proves you're a typical Ohioan who doesn't know anything but Cedar Point Dude, you have no idea how much I had to deal with this growing up. All you'd ever hear from people is "King's Island sucks. Cedar Point r00lz d00d." When you ask those people why CP didn't bother to put airtime hills on their supposedly awesome hypercoaster they usually say something like, "But Millennium Force goes really fast! And it's smooth!" The really sad thing is there are many parks that are a fairly easy drive from Ohio: Indiana Beach SFGAm Holiday World Dollywood Silver Dollar City/Celebration City Hershey Kennywood etc. Most Cincinnati people have never even heard of Holiday World, even though you can get there more quickly than you can get to Cedar Point. But you can bet any amount of money that almost everyone in Cincy knows Cedar Point.
PKI Jizzman Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Dude, you have no idea how much I had to deal with this growing up. All you'd ever hear from people is "King's Island sucks. Cedar Point r00lz d00d." Everyone is saying that at my school and its pissing me off! They are like, yea PKI is getting X-Flight, but they are millions of miles behind CP.....ughhh yea...so? CP is better than half the themeparks out there. Gah!
DATman Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 A B&M or GCI isn't worth it to me, especially not the B&Ms Cedar Fair has built. So your saying Talon, Patriot, Renegade, Xcellerator, Steel Vemon, Sierra Sidewinder, and Maverick are not good rides? I think most people would disagree with you. Also you also must realize, a mediocre B&M beats 75% of steel coasters in existence. Since when did B&M make these rides? And a mediocre B&M does not beat 75% of the steel coasters in existence. There's every single Intamin, Maurer, Vekoma (yes, they do make some good rides. EE, for one), Arrow (so long as you are above the restraints), Gerstlauer, Giovanola, and Premier. I know you were just trying to make a point, but it wasn't a very valid one.
cjeagle35 Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 ^I never said all those coasters were made B&M. I know who made each ride. My point was that those are high quality coaster installations at every one of Cedar Fair's parks. And I still stay with that stat. I've never found a bad B&M, though some were kind of meh. Yes all those companies make a few good rides, Intamin especially. But the number of good steel from them is a small number. The majority of steel in existence today is either Arrow and Vekoma, and I'd say a mediocre B&M beats most of there creations.
RollerC Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 I think this just proves you're a typical Ohioan who doesn't know anything but Cedar Point Dude, you have no idea how much I had to deal with this growing up. All you'd ever hear from people is "King's Island sucks. Cedar Point r00lz d00d." When you ask those people why CP didn't bother to put airtime hills on their supposedly awesome hypercoaster they usually say something like, "But Millennium Force goes really fast! And it's smooth!" The really sad thing is there are many parks that are a fairly easy drive from Ohio: Indiana Beach SFGAm Holiday World Dollywood Silver Dollar City/Celebration City Hershey Kennywood etc. Most Cincinnati people have never even heard of Holiday World, even though you can get there more quickly than you can get to Cedar Point. But you can bet any amount of money that almost everyone in Cincy knows Cedar Point. Actually ask anyone in within a days drive from Cedar Point and they will know what it is. My cousins from the Pittsburgh area even know what it is.
ginzo Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Actually ask anyone in within a days drive from Cedar Point and they will know what it is. My cousins from the Pittsburgh area even know what it is. I sincerely doubt that Cedar Point is well known in Chicago. But, yeah it's obviously well known in Michigan, Indiana, and Pennsylvania. However, Ohio CP fanboys are highly obnoxious.
RollerC Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Actually ask anyone in within a days drive from Cedar Point and they will know what it is. My cousins from the Pittsburgh area even know what it is. I sincerely doubt that Cedar Point is well known in Chicago. But, yeah it's obviously well known in Michigan, Indiana, and Pennsylvania. However, Ohio CP fanboys are highly obnoxious. I wouldn't put it doubt that. I mean Cedar Point in the last few years has been marketing as far as the Carolinas and thats alot farther than Illonios.
jarmor Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Atleast somthing wasnt removed to make room for X-Flight ....then there would be some SERIOUS dissaprovement going on. Uhhh earth to PKIManJZ...the loop on SOB helloooooo .
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