A.J. Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I've never been on Wooden Warrior or Twister, but the Timberliner car that Gravity Group had on display at IAAPA this year was absurdly comfortable. It seems as though all of the coasters that Gravity Group designed but M&V built (or, in this case, are building) have the PTC trains. Boardwalk Bullet, Fireball, Zippin Pippin, and these new racers were all built by M&V. Twister and Wooden Warrior were designed and built by Gravity Group; Hades and Voyage were built before the Timberliner trains were debuted.
Bryce232 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I've never been on Wooden Warrior or Twister, but the Timberliner car that Gravity Group had on display at IAAPA this year was absurdly comfortable.. 100% agreed. I was very surprised at how comfy they were. Although they look a little awkward, they are super comfy!
cal1br3tto Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I was taken aback when I first saw photos of Timberliners, but I'm fine with them now. Besides, who could resist such comfort? Anyway, my favorite traditional trains are nearly extinct, so we might as well go modern. This looks amazing.
ernierocker Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 The trains could look like lazy boys for all I care as long as they are smooth!
RoCo Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ^^ and ^ Agreed. Ride quality always trumps aesthetics. Also, once I saw the TLs in action on the awesome Grona Lund Twister videos, I was sold. Looking forward to the first rider reports of the High Five element!
robinschroder Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ^ We loved the trains on Twister at Gröna Lund... in fact we just plain loved Twister... and Gröna Lund.
megamatt Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I'm disappointed that the ride is using PTCs instead of Timberliners. But, this does look like an awesome ride. I seriously doubt I'll ever get to ride it, though, so why do I care if it has PTCs?
SharkTums Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ^I hate when people say that...especially 16 year olds! Dude, you're young, you have your whole life in front of you, why would you make a comment like that? *Note, if you have some terminal disease you haven't told us about or are banned from China, I understand.
coasterfreak101 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 It seems as though all of the coasters that Gravity Group designed but M&V built (or, in this case, are building) have the PTC trains. Boardwalk Bullet, Fireball, Zippin Pippin, and these new racers were all built by M&V. Twister and Wooden Warrior were designed and built by Gravity Group; Hades and Voyage were built before the Timberliner trains were debuted. Every coaster you mentioned in that first line, other than these new racers, were all built before the advent of the Timberliners also. It really is a shame to see these run with PTCs though... With what those things have done to Roar at SFA and Wildcat at Hershey, and the constant maintenance that rides like The Voyage and Hades require (though Hades doesn't get it), I'm shocked that they didn't follow through for these.
cal1br3tto Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 ^I hate when people say that...especially 16 year olds! Dude, you're young, you have your whole life in front of you, why would you make a comment like that? So I'm not the only one. I completely agree. I prefer to keep an optimistic mindset and see what happens! Couple that with thoughtful goal-setting and most people can accomplish a great deal of what they desire.
A.J. Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 When I grow up, I want to go to China and have a horrific experience on a decrepit roller coaster!
Skycoastin Steve Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 The Timberliner on Wooden Warrior was incredibly comfortable. We still have to wait and see if the maintenance benefits are as good as advertised, but it was definitely a comfy ride. It's a shame this ride doesn't have them, but maybe the Chinese will be better at maintaining a wooden coaster than some of our American parks are.
SharkTums Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 but maybe the Chinese will be better at maintaining a wooden coaster than some of our American parks are.
bottom_feeder_13 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^ What, to maintain a woodie worse than some parks I know of *cough*Colossus*couch* you'd have to have a guy out on the track every morning with a chainsaw or a blowtorch.
SharkTums Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^LOL! That's true...but still...have you seen some of the Chinese parks!?!?
coasterfreak101 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^I mean, *maybe* we'll see these bigger chain parks like Happy Valley actually invest in maintaining their rides? There's a huge jump between your typical Chinese amusement park and Happy Valley, where even their Superman clone is surrounded by massive rockwork. So hopefully they care enough about their rides to maintain them. You'll have to see how Fireball is holding up so far when you're back out there!
SharkTums Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^I am *VERY* curious to see how Fireball is running. You have to remember though, that even these bigger parks can have issues. Don't forget the park that GCI just built their giant coaster at is the same park that killed a bunch of people earlier in the year! I know that a lot of the 'real' manufacturers are putting their own people and money into watching their rides for some time to confirm that they're being maintained properly, just don't know how long that it's feasible to keep that up.
QueerRudie Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^I am *VERY* curious to see how Fireball is running. You have to remember though, that even these bigger parks can have issues. Don't forget the park that GCI just built their giant coaster at is the same park that killed a bunch of people earlier in the year! I know that a lot of the 'real' manufacturers are putting their own people and money into watching their rides for some time to confirm that they're being maintained properly, just don't know how long that it's feasible to keep that up. About as long as the departing technicians from GCI/GG to hear the safety speech on their flight back to the USA.
ernierocker Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) From what I understand of the Happy Valley parks is that they have put a lot of money in the "show" (the big-ticket rides, themeing, fancy facades, etc.) but there is still kind of a feeling of cheapness in everything. Especially when you when really look at the smaller details. Is that a fair assessment? If that is true, I can see them easily letting the maintenance of these rides slide. Edited December 21, 2011 by ernierocker
Skycoastin Steve Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 but maybe the Chinese will be better at maintaining a wooden coaster than some of our American parks are. They would have to be pretty awful to be worse at it than some of the parks over here, but then again, I haven't experienced China theme parks yet!
Bryce232 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Has Gwazi came to anyone else's mind during this entire discussion?
coasterfreak101 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying with Roar and Wildcat, Voyage and Hades. These trains tear these rides up, you can see by how much Holiday World has to spend year after year on Voyage trackwork and, now, brand new trains. And there's a reason why Roar is the only GCI left without PTCs. So if a park isn't ready to put a LOT of work in to a new, large-scale wooden ride with PTCs, then the outlook is pretty slim.
KC_Engineer Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Has Gwazi came to anyone else's mind during this entire discussion? For real. I rode Gwazi (Lion) earlier this month for the first time. I'm from the Kansas City area so I'm used to Prowler when it comes to GCI. I know, I'm spoiled because Prowler is only 2 years old, but WOW... Gwazi was straight up painful. I could only stand two rides, which is a shame because I really liked the layout. I had no expectation that it would be as rough as it was, especially with the new millennium flyers.
SharkTums Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 ^The MF Trains didn't help at all. The ride is so beat to hell it just kills you. You could slap a lazyboy/Intamin train on it and it would still destroy your body. My ride on Lion at Busch Gardens Bash was in my top 5 worst wooden coaster rides EVER.
niiicolaaah Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Gwazi is disgusting.... but my boyfriend liked it better than he liked Montu.
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