bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hey everyone! A few days ago I was looking at random roller coasters on rcdb and I ran across Rock'N'Roller Coaster and I looked at the manufacturer and saw that it was vekoma. I continued to scroll down the page and noticed this statement "This roller coaster is absent from Vekoma's reference lists, nor will Vekoma acknowledge they had any involvement with this ride. The ride is however clearly a product (less theming) of Vekoma." Can you guys fill me in on why vekoma would refuse to acknowledge that they made this ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fork Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well, you left out the last sentence in that paragraph which probably gives you the best available answer to your question: "It is suspected that Disney does not allow its vendors to use them as references." Not sure what else it could be, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_boy69 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Probably becuase the ride is ACTUALLY good and the rest of their rides are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 ^Some would say Vekoma's woodies are really good. -Tatum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hey most of their rides aren't to enjoyable I will give you that, but I will defend Aftershock and their other two Giant Inverted Boomerangs because when they're running well and aren't breaking down all the time they're amazing, but I will agree that most of their rides aren't great. I went on Boomerang at Knotts because Xcelerator was closed that day and it ruined my coaster day till I went on an Intamin AG ride later that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Behemoth_Lady_Jess Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well, you left out the last sentence in that paragraph which probably gives you the best available answer to your question: "It is suspected that Disney does not allow its vendors to use them as references." Not sure what else it could be, really. Maybe just an example of censoring advertising from children as disneyland is visited by children so much. Adbusters anyone? Do any other rides at disneyland have any proof of brand? But wait...There is alot of other advertising at Disney parks... Or perhaps this. Advertising is used to make money and sell products. I REALLY doubt kids would want to buy rides. So there's no point advertising a product that most kids would not be buying. EVery how long do you hear: "Mommy! I want a nice shiny super fast Vekoma launched coaster for my birthday please!" ~ Jess "Censorship is overrated" Chan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Disney's California Adventure is more than willing to have an affiliation with Intamin AG and their making of California Screamin', but thats probably because people will know that if it's made by Intamin chances are its a pretty good ride, and that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think it's just that Disney used to build their own rides in what's called "in house." I think they just want to ruin the fact that they hired a company to build what's supposed to be "magic." O.K., get over the fact that Vekoma coasters are rough. Not all of them are horrible. -Tatum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 I just said that Boomerang was rough, I didn't say a large majority of them are rough. As a matter of fact Vekoma made my favorite ride Aftershock which is a Giant Inverted Boomerang My mistake I said most of their rides are rough and I take that back. ADMIN EDIT: Please do not double post. If you want to add information to a thread in which you were the last poster, please edit your previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The Boomerang in my home park (Dixie Landin'), is butter smooth. It's so smooth, it's unbelievable until you ride it! BTW, when you want to add something to a post you've already posted. Just click the EDIT button on the upper right hand corner of your most recent post, add your message and then click submit again. -Tatum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Oh really? Thats cool. That must be a pretty good ride then. The one I went on at Knott's just beat the snot out of me and I couldn't even go on Ghostrider because I was so sore. A couple of hours after that I went on California Screamin and it had never felt smoother haha but I think thats really cool that the one by where you live is smooth. It must be really fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Maybe Vekoma doesn't really want to deal with Disney that much either, because they have claimed and advertised in their promotional videos Xpress at Walibi World which has a near identical layout, but I'm putting my money down with Disney not allowing them too cause that company really likes to keep things on the downlow XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollerman87 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Disney's California Adventure is more than willing to have an affiliation with Intamin AG and their making of California Screamin', but thats probably because people will know that if it's made by Intamin chances are its a pretty good ride, and that it is. I don't know if Disney is openly affiliating with Intamin AG, but I know Intamin disowned California Screamin' because Disney did some "in house" tweaking that screwed up the ride. Maybe a similar thing happened with the Rockin' Roller Coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Disney always claims themselves as the manufacturers/designers. I believe Maliboomer is the only S&S tower without the S&S logo on the harness for the very same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sometimes people forget that the Matterhorn is an Arrow Development ride---at least the ride system is. That was their first coaster. Also among Arrow's contributions to Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, the (original) Autopia cars, and some of the Fantasyland rides (can't recall which ones, though). In later years, Disney and Arrow had some sort of falling out. I have the book Roller Coasters, Flumes and Flying Saucers, which about the Arrow Development/Dynamics Corporation. You can probably get it on Amazon. Vekoma built the original track for Space Mountain, as well the ride system for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. I wouldn't call either of those rough. Strangely, I found Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at WDW to be rather rough. At least it was two years ago. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhslhs Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think its just a matter of luck whether or not a Vekoma ride is smooth or not. Case in point the boomerang coaster at Astroworldfan's home park is very smooth and the one Knott's is rough as can be. The Giant Inverted Boomerang coasters are extremely smooth but the medium sized inverted boomerangs are a little rough so it just seems to be a matter of luck on how smooth Vekoma rides are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well, you left out the last sentence in that paragraph which probably gives you the best available answer to your question: "It is suspected that Disney does not allow its vendors to use them as references." Not sure what else it could be, really. Maybe just an example of censoring advertising from children as disneyland is visited by children so much. Adbusters anyone? Do any other rides at disneyland have any proof of brand? But wait...There is alot of other advertising at Disney parks... Or perhaps this. Advertising is used to make money and sell products. I REALLY doubt kids would want to buy rides. So there's no point advertising a product that most kids would not be buying. EVery how long do you hear: "Mommy! I want a nice shiny super fast Vekoma launched coaster for my birthday please!" ~ Jess "Censorship is overrated" Chan What the hell are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Menefee Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well, you left out the last sentence in that paragraph which probably gives you the best available answer to your question: "It is suspected that Disney does not allow its vendors to use them as references." Not sure what else it could be, really. Maybe just an example of censoring advertising from children as disneyland is visited by children so much. Adbusters anyone? Do any other rides at disneyland have any proof of brand? But wait...There is alot of other advertising at Disney parks... Or perhaps this. Advertising is used to make money and sell products. I REALLY doubt kids would want to buy rides. So there's no point advertising a product that most kids would not be buying. EVery how long do you hear: "Mommy! I want a nice shiny super fast Vekoma launched coaster for my birthday please!" ~ Jess "Censorship is overrated" Chan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericmichaellucas Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The Rock'n'Rollercoaster was designed, built, tested and themed by WED (Walter Elias Disney) Enterprises, AKA the Disney Imagineers. Vekoma just provided the manufactured/fabricated pieces, this is the same with Space Mountain:Mission 2 in the Disneyland Resort in Paris. Did you know that Disneyland Paris does not own either of it's Rock'n'Rollercoaster or Space Mountain:Mission 2? These rides are owned by WED Enterprises and are rented to Disneyland Paris. The Rock'n'Rollercoaster in Florida was also owned by WED until it was signed over to Walt Disney World until late June of '99. To back this up and to answer the original question that started this topic, please follow this link, scroll down to the bottom and read under "Facts and Figures" sm.dlpfan.org/history/construction/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Thriller Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 This goes to all the people who say "Disney doesn't want people too know the ride is Vekoma cause Vekoma coasters are rough." The General Public truly cannot care less. Seriously, they probably don't even know what Intamin and Vekoma even are. --James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justint87 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I always thought they never used it was the same reason that other said. Disney doesn't want Vekoma to say they built it because Disney designed it. On another note, isn't Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom also a Vekoma design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjaco Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The Rock'n'Rollercoaster was designed, built, tested and themed by WED (Walter Elias Disney) Enterprises, AKA the Disney Imagineers. Vekoma just provided the manufactured/fabricated pieces, this is the same with Space Mountain:Mission 2 in the Disneyland Resort in Paris. Except that RnRC is an off the shelf Vekoma. So that'd be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 EDIT: ^Doh! You beat me to it! The Rock'n'Rollercoaster was designed, built, tested and themed by WED (Walter Elias Disney) Enterprises, AKA the Disney Imagineers. Vekoma just provided the manufactured/fabricated pieces, this is the same with Space Mountain:Mission 2 in the Disneyland Resort in Paris. Did you know that Disneyland Paris does not own either of it's Rock'n'Rollercoaster or Space Mountain:Mission 2? These rides are owned by WED Enterprises and are rented to Disneyland Paris. The Rock'n'Rollercoaster in Florida was also owned by WED until it was signed over to Walt Disney World until late June of '99. Rock n' Roller Coaster isn't a custom coaster, it's an off-the-shelf Vekoma. Also, WED Enterprises ceased to exist as a seperate enterprise in 1965, so I'm pretty sure they didn't design it. It was re-structured and re-named to become Imagineering, but these two things are different since WED Enterprises was its own private company and Imagineering is part of the Walt Disney Company. Seeing as WED Enterprises hasn't existed as a private unit since the 60's, I think it's a safe assumption that they don't secretly rent rides to Disneyland Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 ^ and ^^ RNRC was custom when it was built, though. That's like saying Six Flags bought Great America a Batman clone. It was the first one. Every design AFTER that was "off-the-shelf". This one wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clinksalot Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sometimes people forget that the Matterhorn is an Arrow Development ride---at least the ride system is. That was their first coaster. Also among Arrow's contributions to Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, the (original) Autopia cars, and some of the Fantasyland rides (can't recall which ones, though). In later years, Disney and Arrow had some sort of falling out. I have the book Roller Coasters, Flumes and Flying Saucers, which about the Arrow Development/Dynamics Corporation. You can probably get it on Amazon. Vekoma built the original track for Space Mountain, as well the ride system for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. I wouldn't call either of those rough. Strangely, I found Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at WDW to be rather rough. At least it was two years ago. Eric I think the answer to the falling out may be in the title of your book (I've bolded the potential problem). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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