Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[FeelTheFORCE]

It could be done, there is plenty of room there for a small footprint coaster. How many wild mouse coasters have access roads under them? On most coasters the only place that is accessible by fire truck or service vehicle is the station anyways so i don't see why having a ride within the restricted space is an issue (every coaster track area is a restricted area). A crane to put trains on and take them off aren't that big and those are the kind of things that would have to be taken into consideration during the rides design. Just Look at Indiana Beach, and Grona Lund, there is plenty of space for a coaster to be built there. If dragster's cable explodes the people on the path right next to the launch track would be in as much trouble as the people in the infield.

 

There aren't any access roads under current wild mouse coasters because you can pull up right next to the station! How are you going to do that with Dragster's track and supports completely surrounding it? There are standards and regulations for things like that, you can't just say, "well that looks good enough" and be on your merry way. According to OSHA, fire lanes are REQUIRED to be a minimum of 20 feet wide and AT LEAST 10 feet away from any structure. They must have enough room to extend the outriggers necessary to support the aerial ladder or elevating platform while in operation.

 

Real's right, I'm going to move on after this post. This discussion is pointless and ridiculous. I could see them somehow weave a new coaster through Dragster's track similar to Phantom's Revenge and Thunderbolt, but an entire coaster built in it's infield? There has been more than enough information presented (the OSHA reg is more than enough in itself) supporting the other side.

[Hilltopper39]

I thnk I mentined somewhere re-using the paddle wheel excursion station as the area for the coaster station. I'm sure if OSHA fire truck regulations allow them to use that as a station now then they could use it as a station again for a coaster in the future if they wanted. All I said was that there is enough room in the infield for a layout of certain types of coasters. Engineers are smart, and they're capable of designing things so that all safety regulations and codes are met and they're creative enough to design around little obstacles like this. Good idea or terrible idea it could be done, and that's all I was trying to say.

 

And I agree that Cedar Point is not Grona Lund and there is a certain but if aesthetic integrity that the park has and likely will maintain in the future, and cramming a coaster in that infield might compromise some of that aesthetic integrity. I also think that you would have to agree that any major additions to that park at some point in the future will require removing an existing attraction or sacrificing some of that aesthetic integrity at the few available pieces of land on that peninsula, one of which is Top Thrill Dragster's infield.

[braztaz]

^....Can we please just drop it? It would never work. Not realistic at all.

[thrillrider]

I agree....

[Tmcdllr]

^....Can we please just drop it? It would never work. Not realistic at all.

 

Why? There hasn't been 300 pages of pointless arguing about it yet.

[Skycoastin Steve]

^Nope, that's what the SFMM thread is for.

[Hilltopper39]

I thought pointlessly arguing about coasters that will never get built (but really could be)

was all part of the fun. What the hell else is there to talk during roller coaster rumor and announcement off season?

[DiSab]

 

Seriously, its never going to happen. I know you should never say never, but this is a guarantee. If (and that's a big if) they reached the point where they would have to build over/around other rides, there are plenty of others that they'd build around first. They aren't going to ruin the aesthetics and atmosphere around one of their signature rides by plopping a ride in the middle. It's pointless to keep talking about it.

 

Besides, its not like there's no room at all to expand and add new rides. Sure, it looks like the park is running out of room, but moving around or removing some rides can open up a lot of space. Personally, I would imagine they would get rid of one of the three antique cars in the park and shuffle around some of the flats in the near future to open up some space for a new ride. Likewise, I would bet that the employee parking lot in and around Disaster Transport is another place they are looking at to take out in favor of a new ride. But it won't be inside one of their biggest rides at the park.

[Real]

+1, +1 and +1.

 

I can name off 2 rides they would not build around that would detract from the rides overall feel - Millennium Force and Dragster. Both of those rides have silhouettes that they would not alter in a significant way because theyve made their calling card in the last 10 years on those 2 rides. Its just the skyline and how it is. Im sure part of the planning of their rides is also "how does out skyline look...how can we make it look the best, from what angles, etc" because thats a big part of the experience for newcomers to the park.

 

If your thoughts involve anything about something that would alter one of the key rides...dismiss it. At least for 10-20 years. Theres plenty of room. Proof is by looking at parks like GL and IB where they have shoehorned rides in. So, they are far from that and have plenty of options once you start moving stuff.

 

 

Any other good rumor info?

[Hilltopper39]

I never said that they WILL build a ride in that area, I never said that they MiGHT build a ride there, I never said it was a good idea or a bid idea, in reality it will probably never ever ever happen. I was just trying to saythat there IS a significant amount of free space in which they COULD build a ride in if they ever needed to. Not that it matters but I doubt a 40-50 foot tall coaster would significantly affect the Skyline that has 7 attractions over or near 200 feet tall.

 

And I agree if you remove the car ride, or shuffle around some flats, or use some parking lot or build a boardwalk there are plenty of other and better options for space for new attractions, but space will eventually be an issue. It may still be 5, 10, or maybe 20 years away who knows, but it eventually be an issue.

[braztaz]

There is no room. People have pointed that out multiple times.

 

But I'll be bringing my cousin to Cedar Point in August, and I'm especially looking forward to her reaction when we drive up to the park. My family's reaction last year was priceless!

[the ghost]

I don't know if this is plausible or not as I have never been to the park, so excuse me if this is stupid... but it seems like a year or so ago I heard a rumor of a GCI coaster on MF Island. I looked at it on google maps and it does not seem that large... but at the same time I seem to remember a haunted attraction there, and in pictures I saw of that it looked relatively sizable... especially considering GCI's have relatively small footprints when compared to the average B&M. Is this a possibility?

[jmicha]

^You must also remember Shoot The Rapids takes up a good portion of Millennium Island now. The top part of the island is taken up by it and the current rumor is the rest will Dinosaurs Alive (I believe). So nothing is going to be going there anytime soon coaster-wise.

[Hilltopper39]

^^ According to all the experts in this thread there is no way a GCI will ever get built on that island because there isn't nearly enough room for a fire truck to extend it's outriggers and there isn't an access road to OSHA would never allow anything to ever get built on that island.

 

And why would they ever build a coaster anywhere near Millenium Force, it's one of the parks signature attraction and buidng a wooden coaster around it might mess up it's visual aesthitcs by actually giving riders something to look at and thus keeping them Awake during that incredibly boring island section. Heaven forbid you mess with the skyline too.

 

This isn't RCT, you can't just build a coaster on a piece of empty land, there's way more to it than that

 

That's what some people would say, as far as Im concerned if that mini golf place in Wisconsin can fit a kick ass wooden coaster like Avalanche around their tiny facility then Cedar Point can probably find a way to squeeze one onto MILF island.

[Skycoastin Steve]

I heard a GCI will be built on Kelleys Island, and that the world's fastest ferry boat will take you to the ride from the Marina.

[Hilltopper39]

I heard a GCI will be built on Kelleys Island, and that the world's fastest ferry boat will take you to the ride from the Marina.

 

that would be awesome, great idea man! But if this is true CP better seriously invest in some surface to air defense technology because someone could drop a paper airline off of Dragster that might fall near an operating attaction and someone could lose an Eye!

[Skycoastin Steve]

^Back in 2008, I did talk to someone who worked at the weight guess game under TTD's tower that said they missed being hit by a falling cell phone by about two feet. Apparently the cell phone was blown to tiny bits in thy mercy.

 

Two points for whoever got the movie reference.

[DiSab]

As far as putting a GCI on Millennium Island, there's not enough room with STR on a portion of it. However, if they were to put part of the layout onto the island (a la STR), that might be a possibility. Regardless, I can't see that happening - and especially if they add the Dinos Alive attraction on the island for next season.

[Real]

^^ According to all the experts in this thread there is no way a GCI will ever get built on that island because there isn't nearly enough room for a fire truck to extend it's outriggers and there isn't an access road to OSHA would never allow anything to ever get built on that island.

 

And why would they ever build a coaster anywhere near Millenium Force, it's one of the parks signature attraction and buidng a wooden coaster around it might mess up it's visual aesthitcs by actually giving riders something to look at and thus keeping them Awake during that incredibly boring island section. Heaven forbid you mess with the skyline too.

 

This isn't RCT, you can't just build a coaster on a piece of empty land, there's way more to it than that

 

That's what some people would say, as far as Im concerned if that mini golf place in Wisconsin can fit a kick A$$ wooden coaster like Avalanche around their tiny facility then Cedar Point can probably find a way to squeeze one onto MILF island.

 

Your obvious sarcasm to cover up your annoyance with our replies... it fails. No need to get all crazy because no one liked your idea. It happens. No need to respond like an upset teenager. You thought outside the box but not very logically or imo, with common sense.

[Hilltopper39]

^^ According to all the experts in this thread there is no way a GCI will ever get built on that island because there isn't nearly enough room for a fire truck to extend it's outriggers and there isn't an access road to OSHA would never allow anything to ever get built on that island.

 

And why would they ever build a coaster anywhere near Millenium Force, it's one of the parks signature attraction and buidng a wooden coaster around it might mess up it's visual aesthitcs by actually giving riders something to look at and thus keeping them Awake during that incredibly boring island section. Heaven forbid you mess with the skyline too.

 

This isn't RCT, you can't just build a coaster on a piece of empty land, there's way more to it than that

 

That's what some people would say, as far as Im concerned if that mini golf place in Wisconsin can fit a kick A$$ wooden coaster like Avalanche around their tiny facility then Cedar Point can probably find a way to squeeze one onto MILF island.

 

Your obvious sarcasm to cover up your annoyance with our replies... it fails. No need to get all crazy because no one liked

your idea. It happens. No need to respond like an upset teenager. You thought outside the box but not very logically or

imo, with common sense.

 

Oh lighten up and have a sense of humor (maybe read that disclaimer at the botto

of the page). I never asked anyone to like my idea, I really don't even think it's a good idea, all I was saying was that there is space existing in that area that a properly sized and designed attaction will fit in. Your responses didn't make me upset in the least but they did remind me why myself and a large percentage of people in the coaster world completly despise Cedar Point and just about every other park in Ohio. Sorry for attempting to contribute to your thread!

[FeelTheFORCE]

^^ According to all the experts in this thread there is no way a GCI will ever get built on that island because there isn't nearly enough room for a fire truck to extend it's outriggers and there isn't an access road to OSHA would never allow anything to ever get built on that island.

 

I know I said I was done, but this is way too good to pass up, and I'm so happy you said this. This is the EXACT mindset I deal with every single day in the EH&S field. The regulations and standards exist for YOUR safety to keep YOU safe in the event of an emergency. I'd like to see how much you're rolling your eyes when there's an electrical fire in the station, but you're unable to be reached because you're surrounded by Intamin track and supports. And I must ask, if you "despise Cedar Point" so much, why are you watching this thread like a hawk and continually replying to everything? Wouldn't it make sense and be ideal to avoid the things you hate?

 

Real, you said it best again. I'm not the most perfect person in the world, nor do I claim to be, but some people just can't take criticism and flat out be wrong. I always laugh when the mockery comes out!

 

Okay, that was the only bait I'm taking, back to being "done."

Edited July 15, 2011 by FeelTheFORCE

[braztaz]

^^There's no space. Can we just please just stop!

 

To shift subjects, I'm planning for my next Cedar Point trip in August and I'm really torn on which hotel to stay at. Last year we stayed at Breakers Express, and it was very nice, but I'd rather stay at the Breakers since Cedar Point is walking distance away. The only problem is, it's about double the cost. Would it be worth it to spend the extra money to stay at Breakers? How nice is it compared to Breakers Express?

[FeelTheFORCE]

I'd say it's definitely worth it, braztaz. The convenience is really nice! If you want to go back and get something to eat, relax in some A/C for a bit, watch a little TV, then head back out to the park, you have that option.

Edited July 15, 2011 by FeelTheFORCE

[DiSab]

I never asked anyone to like my idea, I really don't even think it's a good idea, all I was saying was that there is space existing in that area that a properly sized and designed attaction will fit in.

 

Then why did you keep insisting on discussing it once people said that it would never happen due to OSHA restrictions and safety hazards? And with that, I'm finished and moving on to another topic.

 

In regards to finding more space in the park, what if CP started expanding out into the existing parking lot? Removing a large section of the parking lot and replacing it with a two-story parking garage would free up a potentially significant amount of room, and not congest the flow of traffic too terribly. If done properly, the parking garage would allow for more parking in a smaller area, and not disrupt the skyline significantly. A multi-story parking structure (say, 5 or more stories) would look awful (though not as bad at the Disaster Transport building ), but a smaller, 2-story structure wouldn't be an eyesore, and it wouldn't be too bad to get out of.

 

I doubt they'd do this, as they can still add plenty of rides in the park as it is, but if they were to look into an option like this, what is everyone's opinion?

[braztaz]

^I think a parking garage is a very likely possibility within the next ten years. But it makes finding your car that much harder!

 

^^Plus, my only problem with Breakers Express is that the pool closes at 11, which barely gave us time to leave the park, find our car, make our way back to our hotel room and get our suits on. We had about 15 minutes to relax in the hot tub or cool off in the pool. So Breakers would be a nice breath of fresh air!