Valleyfair (VF) Discussion Thread

[VF15]

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I disagree on not needing a coaster because VF has been waiting for a new thrilling coaster longer than any other Cedar Fair park and the park is losing it's appeal to thrill seekers, but yes, next year could be another waterpark expansion because garyman6 said in his interview with Valleyfair's GM that he basically said we will have another expansion in the near future.

[ariznglori]

It's strange that the Twin Cities have gone so long without getting serious waterpark investments. Maybe this will turn into a local waterpark arms race.

[Mdcastle]

I'm not sure if the lack of waterpark investment is just conceding to Wisconsin Dells, or if there's another factor at work. I'm a bit surprised that the Mall of America has never proposed duplicating the Edmonton Waterpark (and that small "hotel waterpark" in the next phase isn't what I'm talking about.

[VF15]

I'm sure that being landlocked is part of the reason why the waterpark hasn't seen much action lately. They should have built it in an area of the park that's more expandable (i.e. closer to the entrance). Also, if Excalibur had not been built where it is, they probably could have expanded it westward. Now, there is really no more land to expand upon without taking something out. Even though Looping Starship borders the waterpark and could be removed/relocated, it doesn't take up a lot of space. My guess is that the Panic Falls slides would be most likely for removal soon.

[RCjunkie]

Until I see something that proves other wise - I fully expect 2016 to be continued expansion of the waterpark. Sorry, a new coaster is just not needed right now. The needs to continue to expand the waterpark, especially now with the news of MOA planning to add a large indoor one in the near future.

 

You must be a major water park fan-boy if you think that VF does not need a new coaster and needs more water park expansions. VF received Breakers Bay in 2009 and now Breakers Pipeline, Breakers Plunge and Barefoot Beach for the Soak city Expansion in 2015. The park has not had a new coaster since 2007 and no new coaster inversions since 1980. It needs a new coaster as soon as possible. The park may get a waterpark expansion in 2016 (I doubt it though, why wait and have another year of cost increases instead of doing it all in 2015?) but saying the park does not need a new coaster is just foolish.

[garyman6]

Valleyfair will get another water park expansion but not In 2016. What I got out of my last conversation with Mr Frazier was that they are adding 4 drop slides ssh o they can close the existing ones and put something else there. He didn't say that but thats what I'm gathering. Its the same thing as to why they are adding a new splash pad.

[garyman6]

Ok all haunt fans! You can be very proud of the job that Valleyfair does with haunt! I went to SCarowinds haunt last weekend. I'm telling you they got nothin on ValleyScare! The zones were ok, the mazes just made me laugh, it was hard to find the mazes and the decorations were subpar. ValleyScare beats them hands down!

[VF15]

Valleyfair will get another water park expansion but not In 2016. What I got out of my last conversation with Mr Frazier was that they are adding 4 drop slides ssh o they can close the existing ones and put something else there. He didn't say that but thats what I'm gathering. Its the same thing as to why they are adding a new splash pad.

Good to know that 2016 won't be the year for the next waterpark expansion. I guess it means that 2016 will be either a flat ride or a coaster (hopefully the latter).

 

Also, garyman6, when can you give us your next hint? You said it would come Haunt begins, but Haunt is now almost over.

[garyman6]

Ok, here it is and I have upped the difficulty. Again, this just a rumor I heard. Nothing can be confirmed at this point. So here goes.

No hints other than this is one sentence. Solve the word scramble;

2vdlihcgelibtstafn4iarptluebeeeefoternaivelrpdalolronmsiiiraarsgngnns0d1na

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VF15]

Ok, here it is and I have upped the difficulty. Again, this just a rumor I heard. Nothing can be confirmed at this point. So here goes.

No hints other than this is one sentence. Solve the word scramble;

2vdlihcgelibtstafn4iarptluebeeeefoternaivelrpdalolronmsiiiraarsgngnns0d1na

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, gosh. That's a tough one. I think I'll be able to figure this one out, but it'll certainly take a while.

 

So far, I've noticed that there are four numbers in the puzzle: 2, 4, 0, and 1, which logically hints at 2014 being in the final unscrambled sentence.

Edited October 29, 2014 by VF15

[valleyfairfanatic]

Man gary, how the heck are we going to solve this? Can you give us a hint to solve the hint

[grsupercity]

I was unable to uncode anymore then the word Blue, you guys do the rest

[GwaziBSRider1]

I think it translates to: 4210 ft long Aquatrax! The other letters are just there to throw us off!

[madsecar]

I honestly don't know if that is possible without any sort of hint garyman. Let's look at all the clues we already have.

1. Kings Island Banshee

2. Maybe something to do with an Avalanche

 

I think that's all we have right now.

[VF15]

If it helps, these are the letters we have to work with in alphabetical order...

[CaliforniaPinto]

Until I see something that proves other wise - I fully expect 2016 to be continued expansion of the waterpark. Sorry, a new coaster is just not needed right now. The needs to continue to expand the waterpark, especially now with the news of MOA planning to add a large indoor one in the near future.

 

You must be a major water park fan-boy if you think that VF does not need a new coaster and needs more water park expansions. VF received Breakers Bay in 2009 and now Breakers Pipeline, Breakers Plunge and Barefoot Beach for the Soak city Expansion in 2015. The park has not had a new coaster since 2007 and no new coaster inversions since 1980. It needs a new coaster as soon as possible. The park may get a waterpark expansion in 2016 (I doubt it though, why wait and have another year of cost increases instead of doing it all in 2015?) but saying the park does not need a new coaster is just foolish.

 

Not "getting" a new coaster in a certain amount of time does not constitute "needing" a coaster.

Not being a fan boy of this park, but being familiar with the guest traffic patterns at the park it does not take a rocket scientist to see where the needs of the park are. The waterpark is grossly undersized and needs additional capacity in the form of more attractions. The new slide tower will help some but at the same time, it will bring in more guests to the waterpark and in turn multiplies an already existing problem. The park itself has a decent collection of coasters already. While a new one would be nice, there are greater needs that should be fulfilled before a coaster is brought in.

 

For one thing, the infrastructure really needs to be looked out. There are no sit-down restaurants to speak of (or just one if you count Chickie's and Pete's). The restrooms need to be upgraded. Not to mention several areas that need better traffic flow. If you are going to spend the money on a large capital coaster, you need to make sure you park can handle the crowds that it would bring in. Right now, it can't.

[VF15]

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Edited April 9, 2019 by VF15

[Mossed]

No because he said it's a rumor, and has said that he really doesn't know anything. Why does everyone bust their hump trying to solve these riddles

 

The old industry adage is "those that know don't talk, those that talk don't know."

[valleyfairfanatic]

That is a good point ^ He was fairly accurate on the water park expansion. It also occupies us other then discussing the same thing in a big circle. Even if gary has no idea, we will still probably be getting a coaster in 2016 anyway. Here are some phrases I'm finding, I still have yet to make a sentence with the all the words but here is what ive got. 210 (or 201) ft tall B and M invert. I have no idea how we will figure this out with out some help from gary. On the other hand, is anyone heading out on saturday or sunday to ride coasters in november !?

[VF15]

No because he said it's a rumor, and has said that he really doesn't know anything. Why does everyone bust their hump trying to solve these riddles

 

The old industry adage is "those that know don't talk, those that talk don't know."

I'm aware that it's only a rumor because he has said that multiple times. The offseason is coming and we're running out of things to speculate about, so this is just something to have fun with for now. I don't really care if Gary is right or not, as long as we end up getting something good.

[DanTheBooker]

 

The old industry adage is "those that know don't talk, those that talk don't know."

 

Exactly. I don't think he's doing himself any favors in the long run. Any information he reveals in these "clues", is information he's (presumably) been ok'd to reveal by his source. If that's the case, he's acting like an attention hungry school child by making you all play his cryptic little games. OR he's risking the insider info he has or claims to have. I for one have a source within the park who has told me about past expansions well before they were made public. I chose to keep that info to myself and a very select inner circle. I run less of a risk of it coming back that I said something and my source not letting me in on stuff.

 

To each their own I guess. I'm hoping for a new coaster opening in less than three years and my source tells me I won't be disappointed.

[VF15]

To each their own I guess. I'm hoping for a new coaster opening in less than three years and my source tells me I won't be disappointed.

If what you say is so, then I guess that pretty much tells us all we need to know.

[Voyager6442]

Do you all think that this means anything? I just noticed this while browsing the website and thought it might be worth a mention. I don't remember Excalibur ever closing pre-haunt. Take a look for yourself.

 

[url=https://www.valleyfair.com/things-to-do/thrill-rides]https://www.valleyfair.com/things-to-do/thrill-rides[/url

Obviously, the coaster enthusiast in me is thinking OMG OMG 2016, but I'm maintaining realism. I'm heading to Valleyfair tomorrow, and I'll be sure to report anything that I might see.

That is very interesting! It does make you wonder what they have in mind.

On another note, today I was at the park all day and I met a family that drove 8 hours from Winnepeg, Canada just to go to Valleyfair! To me that was encouraging because we all assume that we are only drawing visitors from at most a couple hundred miles away. If Cedar Fair realizes this, this may be why they have marked Valleyfair as a growth park! By the way, they were having a great time!

 

I just wanted to tell you guys how much I've enjoyed reading the VF thread. I started with the oldest post (2005?) and have been reading them in chronological order. It has been neat to see how much you guys love your park and hope for great things in the future. I hope you will get them, because you deserve them. I am 960 miles away from Minneapolis, and if I were going to be within several hundred miles of your park, I would definitely make a stop there. I'm thinking about a future road trip to WoF, Adventureland, VF, Bay Beach, Wisconsin Dells, and SF St. Louis. When I go to VF, I would love to meet some of you guys.

[RCjunkie]

Not "getting" a new coaster in a certain amount of time does not constitute "needing" a coaster.

 

Yes it does if VF wants to keep up with the rest of the parks in the CF chain. Every other park in the chain over the last 5 years has received a new coaster except Mia and KBF. During that time KBF got a Windseeker that was removed and had also has received much love with Camp Snoopy, Calico Mine and Log Ride revamps among other additions. If VF does not want to become MiA they need a new coaster soon, it will be 9 years in 2016.

 

Not being a fan boy of this park, but being familiar with the guest traffic patterns at the park it does not take a rocket scientist to see where the needs of the park are. The waterpark is grossly undersized and needs additional capacity in the form of more attractions. The new slide tower will help some but at the same time, it will bring in more guests to the waterpark and in turn multiplies an already existing problem.

 

The water park is undersized some but it's not like it has lines running out the entrance ever. On the busiest of days you may need to wait 15 minutes for a tube on the lazy river but it not like it is a mob scene in the place, just very crowded. It can get very busy and have the biggest collection of visitors at the park in one place at one time but is is not GROSSLY undersized, it just needs some more room and next years expansion will address that and we will see how much more traffic the new slide complex really brings in.

 

The park itself has a decent collection of coasters already. While a new one would be nice, there are greater needs that should be fulfilled before a coaster is brought in.

 

It is only decent because of Renegade, you remove that ONE coaster and the line up becomes very weak. Seriously, what other park closes a coaster during all of Haunt because it is so bad? The park needs a new coaster.

 

For one thing, the infrastructure really needs to be looked out. There are no sit-down restaurants to speak of (or just one if you count Chickie's and Pete's).

 

C&P's is one and the Coasters restaurant is the other. The park is not big enough for a third one because I have never seen both of them at capacity at the same time. Plus nobody is coming to VF just for sit down food, this is not Epcot.

 

The restrooms need to be upgraded.

 

True, but what park in the CF doesn't need that? A restroom has never been a roadblock to add a coaster in any park ever. If it truly is an issue they will add one when they add the coaster. And in next years water park expansion they will be replacing and upgrading the restroom they just demolished.

 

Not to mention several areas that need better traffic flow. If you are going to spend the money on a large capital coaster, you need to make sure you park can handle the crowds that it would bring in. Right now, it can't.

 

The park does have traffic flow issues but it has had them since it was opened due to its funky layout and that has not stopped the park from adding anything ever. Even when Wild Thing (the biggest attraction in the park) was added the traffic flow did not stop them. Plus the traffic flow really improved since Camp Snoopy and with next years water park expansion and the demolition of the bathrooms near by this will address they #1 traffic flow problem in the entire park. How you say the park can't handle the crowds if a new coaster was added with generalities like 'traffic flow' and 'remodeled bathrooms' is really off base in my opinion.

[RCjunkie]

On the other hand, is anyone heading out on saturday or sunday to ride coasters in november !?

 

I will be going both days. Shoot me a private message if you want to meet up for a couple of hours and hit the rides.