BarryH Posted June 8, 2011 Posted June 8, 2011 I hope the eagles concept doesn't have anything to do with the band, the Eagles.
dragonskeep Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 ^^^ " Sometimes the sky is not the limit", could refer to going underground though. Has anyone ever done an underground inversion, not a trench but actually under ground. Maybe that's the first of it's kind element.
jarmor Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 ^ Yeah its been done before... http://rcdb.com/1076.htm Im soo confused on the "the sky is not the limit" though...i'm just guessing but wouldn't the tunnels be under construction right now since the construction seems to be in full swing???
dragonskeep Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 ^^ That isn't underground in my opinion but I thought the inversion would be similar to that. If they were going to build a tunnel that big they would want to start it pretty soon for sure. It's just a guess anyway, I don't expect them to be going very high so it seemed like maybe they would go very low. It's pretty hard to come up with anything reasonable that has not been done on a ride yet. Maybe a crazy coal minig machine could be the theme. ^ They did dig some pretty big trenches for Cheetah Hunt and the whole ride planning through constuction took 18 months.
Skycoastin Steve Posted June 9, 2011 Posted June 9, 2011 I don't see it being the world's tallest anything. The hill isn't that big, and the inversion would have to be over 150 feet. I don't see them putting a 200 ft drop on this thing. The world's first element will probably be something mildly interesting that hasn't yet been done on a B&M wing walker (ie, something that Raptor doesn't have). The best I can think of is something like an extended raven turn. Terrain is the big x-factor here. How tall is Phantom's 2nd hill? It drops 228 feet, which is probably almost 100 feet more than the height of the 2nd hill.
tntornadox Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 So, I was looking at the following photo... the track pieces seem to vary in thickness. Is this normal for a B&M coaster? I don't have alot of experience with them.
BigBadWolf666 Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 So, I was looking at the following photo... the track pieces seem to vary in thickness. Is this normal for a B&M coaster? I don't have alot of experience with them. Usually Lift and Brake track are thicker than regular track.
dragonskeep Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I don't see how we can say Wingrider based on the width of the track. It doesn't look any wider than regular sit down track to me. Maybe it could be a dueler with an invert and a floorless.
jarmor Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I don't see how we can say Wingrider based on the width of the track. It doesn't look any wider than regular sit down track to me. Maybe it could be a dueler with an invert and a floorless. I think most people are saying it's a wingrider because dollywood said it would be the first of its kind in america...
Skycoastin Steve Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Maybe it'll be 110 meters! Like I said, a giga from B&M!
jarmor Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 That will NEVER happen! B&M will NOT, NEVER, EVER build a coaster over 230ft tall...
dragonskeep Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 ^^^ One of the first pieces of evidence was a truck driver who said the tack was wider than typical B&M track based on the width of the flatbed it was on. I just think that with two pieces side by side on the trailer it doesn't look that wide. Does anyone know how much sit-down and wingrider track widths differ. ^^ Man I would love it if you were right about the Giga but that would be a huge shock to me.
jedimaster1227 Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 That will NEVER happen! B&M will NOT, NEVER, EVER build a coaster over 230ft tall... Good to know someone with inside information knows the future without a shred of doubt. Seriously. If somebody wants a product a certain way, and is willing to pay the price for it, a company is likely to concede. Case and point: Islands of Adventure's Incredible Hulk. Let's not rule out something just because it hasn't been done before...
Skycoastin Steve Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 ^I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he was being sarcastic, since his home park is Carowinds, home of the 232 foot B&M. I'm also being a bit facetious, as well, but wouldn't it be hilarious if I was right?
PKI Jizzman Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I have a feeling that a coaster over 200ft+ would stick out of the park...I'm not sure if I'd want to threaten the ambiance and image of the park in the mountains. Orrr sure go ahead and throw in a 200ft+ B&M! I'm super pumped to see what's coming to Dollywood. The place is already unbelievable I could care less what they get from B&M...it's already B&M!
Skycoastin Steve Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I have seen on another site that someone quoted a few ride ops there saying that the new coaster will "rival Cedar Point." Now obviously, take that with a grain of salt, because "rivaling Cedar Point" could mean just about anything. I would think to a ride op, it might mean that it will rival the height and speed of most coasters at CP, but we don't know how much the ride ops know about CP. Just something to chew on.
dragonskeep Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) I concede, it's a Wingrider. That seems like a kind of good fit for Dollywood,I guess. I would rather it be any number of other things but it seems like all the clues point to Wingrider. It will be better for advertising that's for sure, I hope it delivers a good ride. I love the outside seats on Sheikra because the train is so wide, maybe X Eagle will be similar. I think some good airtime hills in those trains would be pretty awesome. ^ As far as wood coasters go, Cedar Point needs to rival Dollywood. I bet those employees were just saying that Dollywood will bring something innovative and of top quality to the park like cedar Point often does. Edited June 12, 2011 by dragonskeep
Richard Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Not only hypers change spine height. But also I think Raptor's does at the bottom of the first drop, and also flyers, at the bottom of pretzal loops. Not as extreme as hypers but it's there. I think. From what I remember seeing anyway.
Skycoastin Steve Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 As far as wood coasters go, Cedar Point needs to rival Dollywood. I bet those employees were just saying that Dollywood will bring something innovative and of top quality to the park like cedar Point often does. Think of how the GP thinks, not how an enthusiast thinks. The GP sees CP as the place with all the huge coasters that go really fast, rides like Magnum Force, Top Fuel Racer, and that red one that goes really fast in the tunnel!!!11!!1! Then again, the ride ops this gentleman talked to could have been enthusiasts. But I'm doubting that one, just because I know how few ride ops are actually enthusiasts.
AndrewRnR Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 ]Seriously. If somebody wants a product a certain way, and is willing to pay the price for it, a company is likely to concede. Case and point: Islands of Adventure's Incredible Hulk. Let's not rule out something just because it hasn't been done before... Yes and no. I remember going to some off season event back in '99/'00 about Millennium Force and it was Q&A with Robin Innes (CP's PR guy) where he showed promo videos and all. Someone asked if other companies were considered and he said (forgive my memory its been over 10 years) but something along the lines of B&M only wants to build to a certain height and 300 feet was too tall for them so they didn't want to enter a bid. The event was well attended by coaster enthusiasts and thats where the whole "B&M doesn't build really tall rides" theory came from.
jedimaster1227 Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 ^Like I said, nothing is impossible, especially considering the statement has never been made by B&M firsthand, or the fact that that was put out there over ten years ago. A theory is just a theory... Until B&M comes out with a public statement on the matter, it remains a theory.
tntornadox Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I would imagine B&M doesn't wanna go taller has something to do with their current chain setup... they probably don't want to risk having to add a second chain (ala Steel Dragon) or come up with a cable lift (which can cause maintenance issues, very un-B&M). That's not to say they can't come up with a third option at any time.
QueerRudie Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 A theory is just a theory... Until B&M comes out with a public statement on the matter, it remains a theory. Theories, Formulation, and strange speculation about clues belong in the HersheyPark thread...
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