SteveStL Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Iron Horse for the Boss and replace Ninja with a Modern Looper, then SFSTL would be up to par with other parks.
HARLEYGUYJB Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Iron Horse for the Boss and replace Ninja with a Modern Looper, then SFSTL would be up to par with other parks. I so agree! Also some better food selections too!
prozach626 Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Iron Horse for the Boss and replace Ninja with a Modern Looper, then SFSTL would be up to par with other parks. Truth. I'd rank it higher than most parks, if that were the case.
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Given the success of these RMC I-Box conversions, I think Iron Boss alone, would change the complexion of how the park is viewed. I do agree that a modern steel looping coaster would be nice too. Heck, If Iron Boss does happen, I would take a used B&M from another park. Not saying it is what I want, but it is certainly better than Ninja. I will say that after experimenting/still experimenting with an RMC redo of Boss in No Limits, I hope that they redo the majority of the coaster and not cutout the break-run and the second big swooping hill that occurs right after it. You can't have that second big swooping turn without the break-run. It's not physically possible to have one or the other using the current foot print of the ride. If you take those two elements out, it significantly shortens the ride and seems to limit the creativeness of what can be done with the track. What I mean by that is if the park wants multiple inversions, then they'll be sacrificing significant airtime/crazy RMC maneuvers for simple barrel roles, which is the only inversion that can be used due to the current foot print of the ride without the two elements I've mentioned. I'm not saying they have to use the break run as it currently stands. I have a scenario where the the train makes the turn on the break run and goes into a zero-G stall and another one that does a barrel roll. I also don't even use the second big swooping hill-turn I follow the foot print and use it has a high- G sort of low to the ground turn. Lets just say your butt would definitely be planted to the seat. I'm definitely no Alan Schilke, but I'm trying my best to envision this ride after an RMC redo.
StLCPfan Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 I thought the only reason the "mid"-course brake is there is for 3 train operation, for emergency stop purposes.
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 ^ It is, but without mid-course break run, you can't get to that next element or utilize that part of the footprint without it. It's not necessarily what can they design with the track already there, but more of what can they design with the footers that already there. Basically what I'm saying is they can't use the footers already present to design a structure to get them to that second big swooping turn without utilizing the mcbr footers. Without those two elements, it significantly shortens the ride and as I said, takes from other parts of the ride. The rumor is out there that if RMC does get their hands on Boss, it would be a significantly shorter ride experience( heard it on here last year). It seems corporate doesn't want to pay for the full redo. From what I can tell from judging the footers, mcbr and next swooping hill/turn would be expendable, as being two of the three elements that could be removed, with the helix being the other. If you look at Medusa, the reason it looks like the perfect ride is the fact that RMC followed almost entire original layout of the ride. The park wanted 3 inversions and they were able to fit that in the design without taking away from another aspect of the ride. If you do that with a shortened Boss, you're losing aspects of the ride that would make it perfect. Basically, it wouldn't live up to the potential of the full layout. At this point, I'll take a shortened Iron Boss, but I don't think I'll be able to enjoy it as much knowing it could have been better if Six Flags chooses to go down this path.
SteveStL Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 if it was a choice between a shortened an Iron Horse layout or just the Topper, i would take the Topper... provided they could but a Barrel roll or two where the Bunny hills are. It is a good layout as is (besides the much too soon MCBR).
larrygator Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 I've heard that Six Flags has exclusive rights to the Iron Horse technology for the next few years. If so, I'm guessing they'll try to crank out as many Iron Horse coasters as possible before the contract expires. I have to believe Iron Boss is coming eventually, whether it be 2015 or later on. Do you have a source? I don't recall seeing anything official about this specific agreement.
prozach626 Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 ^ It's from an employee of the park who has direct conversations with Dave Roemer (spelling?). He's a knowledgeable guy and he has been very reliable. Within the last year IRON Boss WAS discussed and it was stated that the down side to the transformation would be that they would most likely have to shorten the ride due to the ride's length and the affect that would have on the cost for the I-Box conversion. We were also told not to expect the conversion anytime soon.
Rollercoaster Rider Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Curious? Do you Iron Horse Boss or create a new RMC Wooden Coaster where Ninja is?
Sf-Dad Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 ^ How about both Pathetic. If you are going to dream, dream BIG.
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 ^ In my mind, the more RMC a park has, the much better that park becomes. Edit: Lmao I didn't see the Pathetic part of your post. That is dreaming really big for this park!
Sf-Dad Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 I generally make it to the park 2 afternoons a week in the summer and so far this year it seems attendance is down a little bit, nothing drastic. Just judging by how far back I have to park (row 11 instead 13) and lines on slides and rides. Most of the time we are at HH, but I take my oldest solo to the main park every couple of weeks. An early observation to be sure and may have little basis in fact. For about $800 I can deck out my family of 4 with season passes, meal passes, tube passes etc. (maybe even a couple dragon wing passes if I'm lucky). and enjoy a whole summer of fun or I could spend about the same amount for one weekend at a better regional park. Despite SFSTL's shortcomings it works for me and I will keep coming even if they don't keep up with the competition because for me there is no competition. So I will dream of expansion but not get to upset with the likely small incremental upgrades and will be pleasantly surprised if something big happens, but I'm not holding my breath. I know some would rather travel for a memorable blowout weekend, but I really suspect there are a lot more like my family that don't need that "mountaintop" experience and are happy hiking the foothills and may try getting to SDC sometime. That said, bring on the RMC and Proslide!
SFZIP Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 So far, this has not been a really great season in any way at SFSL, the weather hasn't helped out much, the park is basically irrelevant within the Six Flags system (it shows in a lot of things that happen at the park, both publicly and not). The park continues to go on a path to nowhere in my opinion and unless there are drastic changes (not just new rides), there's no reason to believe that attendance will ever go back up to the level it was at for the park's first 30 years or so (just continue to basically be flat year after year).
HWFan Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 That said, bring on the RMC and Proslide! One of the most pleasant parts of my job is getting to be the one to reply to little kids' letters that occasionally get sent to the park. The most recent was a little kid asking for a ProSlide Behemoth Bowl 60' and a Tornado Wave. He made sure to give us the contact information to ProSlide, and I can't wait to respond to this very smart kid. Another letter from May asked for an Iron Boss type transformation with a Spider Man theme. It was definitely a cool idea if we could use Marvel.
SteveStL Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 So far, this has not been a really great season in any way at SFSL, the weather hasn't helped out much, the park is basically irrelevant within the Six Flags system (it shows in a lot of things that happen at the park, both publicly and not). The park continues to go on a path to nowhere in my opinion and unless there are drastic changes (not just new rides), there's no reason to believe that attendance will ever go back up to the level it was at for the park's first 30 years or so (just continue to basically be flat year after year). That's ashame. The park needs a facelift in a bad way. There is no excitement or buzz.
prozach626 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 But how can this be?!?! We just got Boomerang last year!
Sf-Dad Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Agreed. Its "comfortable". A little weathered and could use a nip and tuck here and there.
SteveStL Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 But how can this be?!?! We just got Boomerang last year! I know... imagine that! and that amazing Moon Car ride ... people should be lined up back to Hwy 44!
HWFan Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Has anyone thought that maybe the Holiday World 2015 Steel Coaster could give us a better chance at Iron Boss? Outlaw Run got us Boomerang, which is still something. With Holiday World almost ready to start getting into the St. Louis market more, Six Flags will need something to help keep people in St. Louis.
djboss302 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Has anyone thought that maybe the Holiday World 2015 Steel Coaster could give us a better chance at Iron Boss? Outlaw Run got us Boomerang, which is still something. With Holiday World almost ready to start getting into the St. Louis market more, Six Flags will need something to help keep people in St. Louis. Gas money is a good start.
HARLEYGUYJB Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I was at the park 3 times last week. On Thursday there was hardly anyone there at all. My wife and i spent half of the day at the water park and everything was walk on with no waiting anywhere.. I think they even sent the flash pass guys home. The other half of the day we went to the theme park..same thing..hardly anyone inside the park. They were even shutting down our favorite restaurant JB's Smoke House and Sports Bar at 6 pm. We also noticed there were lots of concession stands and Character Cafe were closed too all before 6 pm. We only wanted to ride the roller coasters even though the park was empty all of the roller coasters were only operating 1 train so for a front seat you had to wait a 5-10 min. The dragons wing and go karts were also closed before 6 pm. I had never seen the park so empty before. On Saturday it was just my daughter and I. We stayed in the water park most of the day and it was extremely crowded. There was a line for all of the rides in the water park. Good for the park that day. We still had fun though! Bad weather came in about 7 pm or so and shut down everything for the remainder of the night. On a positive note I found out that you don't have to get those pretzel buns on your sandwich at JB's smokehouse and sports bar. On Sunday it was myself, my wife and my 2 kids.. Once again we did the water park for most of the day and the crowd was pretty good size until weather shut down everything for about a hr and cleared out a lot of people. After the storm passed the crowd was very light.
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 So with Six Flags targeting their older wooden coasters throughout the chain with RMC I-Box track conversions this year, has anyone given any thought to Screamin' Eagle possibly being a candidate for the conversion? I know a lot of people will probably be against it, but honestly, I would embrace it sort of like how I'm embracing all of this new technology RMC is bringing to the forefront. My way of thinking, old (no matter how much historical relevance the ride might have) doesn't make the park any money, but something that is newer and modern will. Of course, this is irrelevant when talking about this park, considering they get stuck with a 24 year old Boomerang that they are forced to try and market as something new. I cringed every time I was in the St. Louis area last year and saw a billboard or commercial talking about the "New Boomerang!" Of course, this is all in response to one of their competitors building arguably the best wooden roller coaster in America. Has corporate just given up on this park? Are they oblivious to the market around this park? There is great potential, but you have to make the right investments in the park for it to pay off. People aren't going to keep coming year after year riding and doing the same stuff. I also don't they're taking advantage of the market either. This is just an example, the St. Louis Cardinals draw 3 million people to the St. Louis region every summer. I know they advertise and do promotional days at Busch, but why not do more? How about when the Cardinals win at home, if you were at the game, bring your ticket to the front gate the next day at Six Flags and get $5-10 off general admission? How about putting together vacation packages with the team where if you buy so many Six Flags tickets and Cardinals tickets together, you get a discount. There are so many other things you can do outside of the Cardinals also, but that was just an example. I don't get what corporate is thinking when it comes to this park, nor am I sure if I want to know what they're thinking. I just hope they eventually pull their heads out their a** when it pertains to this park, and start investing and marketing things the right way. Didn't mean for this to turn into a mini rant, but after reading some of the previous posts, I got a little hot.
HARLEYGUYJB Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) So with Six Flags targeting their older wooden coasters throughout the chain with RMC I-Box track conversions this year, has anyone given any thought to Screamin' Eagle possibly being a candidate for the conversion? I know a lot of people will probably be against it, but honestly, I would embrace it sort of like how I'm embracing all of this new technology RMC is bringing to the forefront. My way of thinking, old (no matter how much historical relevance the ride might have) doesn't make the park any money, but something that is newer and modern will. Of course, this is irrelevant when talking about this park, considering they get stuck with a 24 year old Boomerang that they are forced to try and market as something new. I cringed every time I was in the St. Louis area last year and saw a billboard or commercial talking about the "New Boomerang!" Of course, this is all in response to one of their competitors building arguably the best wooden roller coaster in America. Has corporate just given up on this park? Are they oblivious to the market around this park? There is great potential, but you have to make the right investments in the park for it to pay off. People aren't going to keep coming year after year riding and doing the same stuff. I also don't they're taking advantage of the market either. This is just an example, the St. Louis Cardinals draw 3 million people to the St. Louis region every summer. I know they advertise and do promotional days at Busch, but why not do more? How about when the Cardinals win at home, if you were at the game, bring your ticket to the front gate the next day at Six Flags and get $5-10 off general admission? How about putting together vacation packages with the team where if you buy so many Six Flags tickets and Cardinals tickets together, you get a discount. There are so many other things you can do outside of the Cardinals also, but that was just an example. I don't get what corporate is thinking when it comes to this park, nor am I sure if I want to know what they're thinking. I just hope they eventually pull their heads out their a** when it pertains to this park, and start investing and marketing things the right way. Didn't mean for this to turn into a mini rant, but after reading some of the previous posts, I got a little hot. I really think SFSTL really needs to get the RMC treatment on The Boss asap. Now the park has competitors to the south west and north east and are only a few hours away with a RMC roller coaster. The St. Louis Cardinals and Six Flags currently have the Double Play combo which includes ticket to the Cardinals game and 1 general admission ticket to Six Flags for $60 http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/ticketing/double_play.jsp Edited June 25, 2014 by HARLEYGUYJB
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