ThemeParkJunkie51290 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I LOVE IT! I think this ride is going to do great! Its like Amazing Adventures of Spiderman and MIB Alien Attack had a baby! LOL! Well not that extreme, but you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Wolf 90-11 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The Joker and Cyborg Animatronic for Six Flags Justice League Battle for Metropolis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArizonaGuy Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 This is by far the best attraction at SFSTL since American Thunder!!! I see SFFT getting a new Sally dark ride to replace Scooby Doo in the next few years for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveStL Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 This is by far the best attraction at SFSTL since American Thunder!!! I see SFFT getting a new Sally dark ride to replace Scooby Doo in the next few years for sure. Are you sure??? Did you forget about Boomerang??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 This new dark ride looks really cool, I'm surprised this is coming to a SF park. Now only if the final product can be as amazing, smart money says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 People complaining about how Six Flags St. Louis is neglected by corporate need to shut up already. This ride looks to be the biggest investment in the chain next year (unless Twisted Colossus costs more than I think). I don't care if it isn't a coaster, Spider-Man at Universal is the best ride I've ever been on, and if Justice League turns out to be half as good as that I'll be over the moon. Just because they aren't adding something you personally want (like a hyper coaster) doesn't mean the park is being ignored by Six Flags. I'm really confused. Are we talking about the same company that let Hannibarrels rot in the middle of the park or are we talking about the company that passed down a 27 year old used boomerang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Is the JLBFM vehicule trackless? What technology does it use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkgdel5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Is the JLBFM vehicule trackless? What technology does it use? It is a tracked system. Six Flags and Sally looked into using Oceaneerings trackless system but it didn't have enough battery power for the fast start and stop needed for the vehicles. The are also powerful Bose speakers going into the vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 People complaining about how Six Flags St. Louis is neglected by corporate need to shut up already. This ride looks to be the biggest investment in the chain next year (unless Twisted Colossus costs more than I think). I don't care if it isn't a coaster, Spider-Man at Universal is the best ride I've ever been on, and if Justice League turns out to be half as good as that I'll be over the moon. Just because they aren't adding something you personally want (like a hyper coaster) doesn't mean the park is being ignored by Six Flags. I'm really confused. Are we talking about the same company that let Hannibarrels rot in the middle of the park or are we talking about the company that passed down a 27 year old used boomerang? Would you consider SFGAD a neglected park in the chain? I mean sure, they have a hyper, strata, and one of the best coasters in the world. But they have an entire section of the park left to rot and they not only got a hand-me-down stand-up coaster, next year they are getting a Ring of Fire, which is worse than a Boomerang IMO. Every park has off years, we've had more than a few, but in 2015 the park is getting a state of the art attraction and there is no reason to complain about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkgdel5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 People complaining about how Six Flags St. Louis is neglected by corporate need to shut up already. This ride looks to be the biggest investment in the chain next year (unless Twisted Colossus costs more than I think). I don't care if it isn't a coaster, Spider-Man at Universal is the best ride I've ever been on, and if Justice League turns out to be half as good as that I'll be over the moon. Just because they aren't adding something you personally want (like a hyper coaster) doesn't mean the park is being ignored by Six Flags. I'm really confused. Are we talking about the same company that let Hannibarrels rot in the middle of the park or are we talking about the company that passed down a 27 year old used boomerang? Would you consider SFGAD a neglected park in the chain? I mean sure, they have a hyper, strata, and one of the best coasters in the world. But they have an entire section of the park left to rot and they not only got a hand-me-down stand-up coaster, next year they are getting a Ring of Fire, which is worse than a Boomerang IMO. Every park has off years, we've had more than a few, but in 2015 the park is getting a state of the art attraction and there is no reason to complain about that. ^^^Agree^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWFan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 This new dark ride looks really cool, I'm surprised this is coming to a SF park. Now only if the final product can be as amazing, smart money says no. I was what kind of information you have that pointed to the ride being sub-par to the way it is being made to look. I didn't know if your sources told you anything, because if so, could you elaborate a little bit more? Since you brought in this "smart money" reference, the budget for the ride (which SF is not publicly disclosing) points to an amazing ride. If it turns out as anything less, Six Flags deserves a huge refund. Six Flags could have gone with the regular Sally cars, like the ones used at the JL ride at WB in Australia. The GP would have still been amazed by the ride, and SF would have saved such a huge amount of money that it still amazes me how much each ride vehicle costs. They're going all out for this ride, so if there is a reason it won't be turning out like planned, then I definitely am interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisco Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I have been to St. Louis three time and each time it has been during the off season. Need better planning in the future to check out the new dark ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks pkgdel5 and HWFan (on the IAAPA thread) for your replies about the vehicule being not trackless. And actually this is a good news for me. Because a trackless ride require a large, flat, black space on the ground for the vehicule to evolve, and it can really destroy the immersion. I'm refering here to Ratatouille... Uhg. Plus, a tracked ride allows for some more powerful motions of the plateform, which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 They're going all out for this ride, so if there is a reason it won't be turning out like planned, then I definitely am interested. To be fair, things on paper and things as built change all the time. Six Flags going to trusted vendors in Oceaneering & Sally is a positive sign, but we have yet to see if Six Flags can deliver on the "planned" quality. Another huge question mark will be if Six Flags can handle the maintenance on the ride. Those vehicles are sure to be expensive to maintain. Not to mention the projectors, media servers, etc.that go with the ride. And actually this is a good news for me. Because a trackless ride require a large, flat, black space on the ground for the vehicule to evolve, and it can really destroy the immersion. I'm refering here to Ratatouille... Uhg. Sally already has numerous trackless dark rides (Challenge of Tutankhamen is REALLY good) with a ride system from ETF that seemed to have the same footprint as a traditional dark ride from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWFan Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 They're going all out for this ride, so if there is a reason it won't be turning out like planned, then I definitely am interested. To be fair, things on paper and things as built change all the time. Six Flags going to trusted vendors in Oceaneering & Sally is a positive sign, but we have yet to see if Six Flags can deliver on the "planned" quality. Another huge question mark will be if Six Flags can handle the maintenance on the ride. Those vehicles are sure to be expensive to maintain. Not to mention the projectors, media servers, etc.that go with the ride. To be fair, I wasn't aware that people who really just don't like Six Flags can come and make a statement, with absolutely zero factual or insider information backing it up, and have that statement carries just as much weight as statements based on factual information. From what I could tell by going back in his posts, that was his only post in this thread, meaning he came here just to say that. I understand that you're playing devil's advocate, which is usually good, but even your reasoning was a little bit flawed. The ride vehicle, animatronics, and the couple of scenery pictures that have been released all look top notch in theming. Besides Sally, Transformers had almost (if not the) the exact same companies taking care of each part of the ride. I never saw any comments worrying about Transformer's "planned" quality being fully delivered. Six Flags signed the contracts to purchase everything with the rides. It isn't as much up to Six Flags anymore. If the quality isn't what it should be when the ride opens, it is 99% the fault of the manufacturers who did not deliver on the product that was promised. I'm sorry for getting up on my soapbox here, but especially since JLBM was announced, I have been lobbying to give as much information as possible to the people who frequent this forum. It can be frustrating (I know from multiple members of this forum) when I am putting my reputation on this forum on the line just to convince people who don't believe it just because it is Six Flags. As the park, is evolving to really do the most with what they have to increase the Guest experience, they aren't going to announce anything about the ride that isn't 110% sure to be done in the "planned" quality.They are even going to "plus it" with multiple special effects in the ride. Those effects haven't been named in full detail or exactly where they will be on the very slim chance that there is an issue. The vehicles will have down time, just as Spiderman & Transformers have down time. However, it's not going to be enough to matter in the grand scheme of things in the park. In terms of the layout, as it was able to really take advantage of the ride vehicles' special features, is going to be really cool as well. It is important to be skeptical in life, and I have definitely been critical of the park/chain, during the Shapiro years. However, Six Flags is building a ride that is the top dark ride, technologically, outside of a Universal or Disney park in the country (if Knotts doesn't pull out any kind of secret elements). The park IS going to have the budget and training to keep this ride going well and any part of the "planned" experience that has been announced will be at least met, if not exceeded. I'm not paid to make Six Flags or anyone associated with them look good. I post on here because I like answering questions and getting information to users that they wouldn't always be able to have access to that information before. I do it because I love the park and the way it is headed. You may have hesitations or want clarifications on certain points, but doing things like coming into the thread, dropping a Six Flags bashing post with nothing to back it up and then immediately leaving the thread is just does not promote discussion. Not talking as much about that post specifically, but when I bring a lot of cool new information about the park to the thread, the "planned" quality of the outcome of the post seems to be a lot different sometimes from what actually happens on the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Sally already has numerous trackless dark rides (Challenge of Tutankhamen is REALLY good) with a ride system from ETF that seemed to have the same footprint as a traditional dark ride from what I remember. True, CoT is really cool! So far it's the only Sally dark-ride I rode. But I was mainly refering to motion-based trackless rides, such as Ratatouille or Antartica. It's maybe too soon to know about this, yet it's something that will really matter to the quality of the ride, at least in my eyes. Will the ride uses a moving point-of-view effect on its 3D sequences? I believe Universal call that or whatever the man is saying in the video (never got the word right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I understand that you're playing devil's advocate, which is usually good, but even your reasoning was a little bit flawed. The ride vehicle, animatronics, and the couple of scenery pictures that have been released all look top notch in theming. Besides Sally, Transformers had almost (if not the) the exact same companies taking care of each part of the ride. I never saw any comments worrying about Transformer's "planned" quality being fully delivered. Six Flags signed the contracts to purchase everything with the rides. It isn't as much up to Six Flags anymore. If the quality isn't what it should be when the ride opens, it is 99% the fault of the manufacturers who did not deliver on the product that was promised. Again, I understand you are very bias since you work for the park...but playing Devil's Advocate again... Perhaps the reason that everything that has been released is top notch because they want to put their best foot forward in promoting the ride? Kind of like a movie trailer...show the best.... People have every right to be skeptical of Six Flags until proven otherwise. This may very be a new era, but until it opens... You never saw any comments about Universal because they have a proven track record...including success with the very ride system Transformers is based on. I should also add that I have no doubt things will look good at first. But again, given Six Flags record and knowing quite well the maintenance involved in this ride system...I really question whether Six Flags will make the investment to ensure they have all the proper parts in stock, manpower available, etc. to keep the ride in top form. It's not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArizonaGuy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 ^^ I totally agree. Six Flags' prior management did a fine job of tarnishing the company reputation and it's going to take a long time to fix it and peoples opinions. On the other hand, I also believe that Six Flags is trying to better their reputation but it's not going to happen over night. How well did they take care of Scooby Doo? Will it be the same? will it be better? Or worse? Only time will tell.....and that will mean more than a bunch of plans written on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 For all of those confident that SF will maintain this ride well, I remember this exact. same. conversation. about Scooby on SFSTL.net. The optimists argued that the ride would be well maintained. Although it was no Castaway Kids disaster, as expected within a couple years the ride followed the typical path of one feature breaking without repair after another. Specifically, I remember people saying, "I wonder how long the turning/spitting/noise making goblin is going to be functional in the queue." I think within the first year the spitting was more like drooling. Then, the turning stopped, but the sound effect of the goblin turning and spinning would still play. I think I saw that thing fully functional only a handful of times. After that, I remember the ride just seemed more dull, because more and more features seemed to be inconsistent or not working at all. People can claim things are changing all they want, but until people actually see those changes last, no one cares. batmanqueuescreamingeaglequeuehannibarrelsbumpercarsmrfreezeanimatronicentranceplazametaldetectorscastawaykidstheboss27yearoldusedboomerangpalacetheaterawesomepaintball People complaining about how Six Flags St. Louis is neglected by corporate need to shut up already. This ride looks to be the biggest investment in the chain next year (unless Twisted Colossus costs more than I think). I don't care if it isn't a coaster, Spider-Man at Universal is the best ride I've ever been on, and if Justice League turns out to be half as good as that I'll be over the moon. Just because they aren't adding something you personally want (like a hyper coaster) doesn't mean the park is being ignored by Six Flags. I'm really confused. Are we talking about the same company that let Hannibarrels rot in the middle of the park or are we talking about the company that passed down a 27 year old used boomerang? Would you consider SFGAD a neglected park in the chain? I mean sure, they have a hyper, strata, and one of the best coasters in the world. But they have an entire section of the park left to rot and they not only got a hand-me-down stand-up coaster, next year they are getting a Ring of Fire, which is worse than a Boomerang IMO. Every park has off years, we've had more than a few, but in 2015 the park is getting a state of the art attraction and there is no reason to complain about that. Now that you mention it, I've never been to a Six Flags park where I didn't see some kind of neglect. That being said, I think when looking at it from a "lesser of the evils" perspective, Great Adventure would win that battle, too. Again, I understand you are very bias since you work for the park...but playing Devil's Advocate again... That's MY job, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkgdel5 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Thanks pkgdel5 and HWFan (on the IAAPA thread) for your replies about the vehicule being not trackless. And actually this is a good news for me. Because a trackless ride require a large, flat, black space on the ground for the vehicule to evolve, and it can really destroy the immersion. I'm refering here to Ratatouille... Uhg. Plus, a tracked ride allows for some more powerful motions of the plateform, which is good. Sure...no problem! I'm really excited for this ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkgdel5 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 They're going all out for this ride, so if there is a reason it won't be turning out like planned, then I definitely am interested. To be fair, things on paper and things as built change all the time. Six Flags going to trusted vendors in Oceaneering & Sally is a positive sign, but we have yet to see if Six Flags can deliver on the "planned" quality. Another huge question mark will be if Six Flags can handle the maintenance on the ride. Those vehicles are sure to be expensive to maintain. Not to mention the projectors, media servers, etc.that go with the ride. And actually this is a good news for me. Because a trackless ride require a large, flat, black space on the ground for the vehicule to evolve, and it can really destroy the immersion. I'm refering here to Ratatouille... Uhg. Sally already has numerous trackless dark rides (Challenge of Tutankhamen is REALLY good) with a ride system from ETF that seemed to have the same footprint as a traditional dark ride from what I remember. I guess, for me, I haven't kept up as much on historic "track records" for parks. I've been going to SFSTL all my life. I've also visited plenty of other Six Flags' and Cedar Fair parks. At least half the parks have always had rides "break-down" on us but that's another discussion.... Now as far as the media is concerned in this ride, I did find this link where Six Flags will be using Alterface's Eagle Eye....which is one of the most powerful monitoring systems for dark rides. http://www.alterface-projects.com/news/new-products/two-new-justice-league-attractions.htm?lng=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sally already has numerous trackless dark rides (Challenge of Tutankhamen is REALLY good) with a ride system from ETF that seemed to have the same footprint as a traditional dark ride from what I remember. True, CoT is really cool! So far it's the only Sally dark-ride I rode. But I was mainly refering to motion-based trackless rides, such as Ratatouille or Antartica. It's maybe too soon to know about this, yet it's something that will really matter to the quality of the ride, at least in my eyes. Will the ride uses a moving point-of-view effect on its 3D sequences? I believe Universal call that or whatever the man is saying in the video (never got the word right). I believe Universal owns the patent on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Curse Of the DarKastle uses that as well and it's a Falcon's Treehouse' creation. Edit: And so does Ratatouille on the last screen. Edited November 24, 2014 by KingRCT3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Now as far as the media is concerned in this ride, I did find this link where Six Flags will be using Alterface's Eagle Eye....which is one of the most powerful monitoring systems for dark rides. http://www.alterface-projects.com/news/new-products/two-new-justice-league-attractions.htm?lng=en That's like having a $400K Lamborghini Aventador and never changing the oil. Very nice piece of equipment but without proper maintenance, components will start to fail. That is exactly what will happen with JL:BFM. Might take a couple years but will happen. Just like Scooby Doo........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrs2420 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't for a second believe this ride will be in 100% working condition in the coming years. Six Flags just doesn't have the best track record. Stay safe out there Prozach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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