peteb Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 Part of what makes thrill rides thrilling is the fact that they do look scary and it's easy to think what might happen if you fell or if something broke, but the truth is that things rarely do. Another thing to remember is that these rides are built and engineered to pretty high standards and while it may seem like it's a big feat to lift and tilt a coaster in place on a track, to experienced engineers it is safely possible and not at all pushing any enginering limits.
Cerberus Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 Where exactly did I write that it crashes all the time and kills everyone in Taiwan, old chap? No, that was me highlighting the fact that there hasn't been an occasion where it has crashed, despite how you seem to be certain that the thing is on the brink of disaster. 'Cause you know, forget two, not even ten failsafes could make a Vekoma safe As for: ...Just because it hasn't come off the track yet, doesn't mean it never will. Well.. okaaaay... Just because an SaS tower hasn't snapped all it's cables and plummeted to the floor, doesn't mean it never will... Just because BaMs flying coaster trains haven't unfolded during the circuit, doesn't mean it never will... Just because a Mack log flume hasn't lost a wheel and skidded to the bottom of the chute in a spray of sparks and gore, doesn't mean it never will... You could apply that comment to ANYTHING, yet you seem to be saying that this 'what if' thing only applies to Vekoma. I'm not backing up Vekoma or trying to be awkward or anything. I just think that complaints should be justified. This isn't really aimed at you solely either- but people across the entire coaster community seem to just invent more reasons to hate Vekoma simply to expand on their argument when "They are rough" isn't enough. But back to the tippy coaster thing specifically... The 'failsafe' system is (According to someone who would be in the know) like a really large, backwards antirollback that touches against the front car's bumper. It raises in the direction of travel of the train and cannot move any further forwards once in place, meaning the train cannot proceed. Therefore the weight of the train on the device would actually BE the securing factor. I assume that when in the vertical position the 'hook' is used to pull the train back a little bit more so this device can then move out the way. Cerberus
SharkTums Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I'm gonna have to go with Derek on this one. There are three rides I can think of in the world I WON'T ride and this is one of them. I'm sorry but I've heard the phrase "catastrophic fail-safe malfunction" too many times to go on this ride. I don't think it's a good idea or use of engineering. The Gerstlauer 95 degree drop coasters did it much better. I agree that the 'experience' would probably be amazing...granted you don't die! I do plan on going to Taiwan at some point, and will take offride video of Robb riding this coaster after he has signed the life insurance policy!
jackskellington101 Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 Out of curiousity, what are the other 2?
SharkTums Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I'll give you a hint... I will watch Derek and Robb ride them next month from about 1100 feet away!
phazan Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 i think we should turn this into a poll. maybe four questions, like i think its unsafe, i strongly think it is unsafe, i think it is safe, and i strongly think it is safe.
DerekRx Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 Cerberus, thanks for the info on how it is secured. It makes it seem a little safer than what RCDB did. I was thinking it was just a small steel block like those used to keep the trains from rolling off the transfer tracks on typical coasters. As far as Vekoma bashing goes, as long as they continue to bash us in the head with their rough coasters, we'll continue to bash them with word of mouth.
Cerberus Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 Heh, I'll let you have the head-banging argument. I don't thing anyone has mastered the art of BullSh**tery enough to be able to justify that occurance The poll idea is a good one. Personally, I don't see what the fuss is all about. But apparently there are many people who would think twice before joining the queue on this coaster. So it'd be interesting to get an overview of people's thoughts. Actually, come to think of it, I don't suppose Vekoma's "Thrill Lift" is their response to people thinking "The tilt coaster isn't safe!"? Since this time around there's a tower in front of the moving track and as such, nowhere for the train to go even if everything did fail! Cerb- I want a rider-view video of Elissa freaking out on the tilting section -erus
Red Benny Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Apparently they were thinking about putting one of these in at PGA once (maybe they still are). I remember taking a survey maybe about a year ago asking what kinds of rides I would like to see there. One of the descriptions sounded an awful lot like the tilt coaster. Low and behold, the next section of the survey had a prototype picture of the ride. It would be interesting, but it's not something I think I would ride.
kenshinmac Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 I'll give you a hint... I will watch Derek and Robb ride them next month from about 1100 feet away! Me Thinks Stratosphere reference? Correct? Personally I would be terrified riding the ride but heck it is a unique ride and that makes it a thing I wouldn't pass up for anything if I somehow got to Taiwan... Looks like a damn cool idea. Truth be told I have no reservations about Vekomas being safe... Comfortable they are not but considering the number of installations that Vekoma has they have a freaking amazing safety record. I mean you hardly ever hear about accidents on vekomas. I think B&M is the only manufacturer that comes close otherwise but they have far less installations.
phazan Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 i dont get how poeple think its dangerous. if people look at things closely people will find that the cars on x at sfmm are hanging by a big piece of metal. why doesnt anyone think that isnt safe? it is hard for me to explain, but because the way it looks and operates makes people think its not safe. however x, doesnt look dangerous. again it is very hard for me to explain but i am sure there are a lot of other things the are just hanging by one thing, and the tilt coaster is hanging by two!
SharkTums Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 I don't really think X is safe either! And that one had an accident that proved it!
Blazen_AZN Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 I don't really think X is safe either! And that one had an accident that proved it! what happened?
Stitch Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Roller coasters are safe, there is an extremely small chance of an incident being the actual rides fault. The majority of accidents are human error. The tilt coaster looks fun and I hope to see one get made here in America
rollermonkey Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 ^Meh. That's just an Intamin Impulse. There's 6 more of them either identical or slightly modified. I've been on 4 of the 7. Gravity Max is unique in the whole world.
slick Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 Just with the whole "copying B&M" thing, it's funny to note that the actual concept phase of the tilt mechanism came out in 1994 from Vekoma, about 3 years prior to B&M's first concept phase for even an installation at a park.
krouvi Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 I saw an onride video of this coaster and it is kind fo boring coaster. The tilting part is slow and well, as a vekoma I can only think about one thing - My Neck !
VegasCoaster Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 From the video I've seen it shows the front row POV and you can see one of the failsafe mechanisms, it does look rather tiny, but it does the job. Isn't there also some safety feature where if power goes out etc. that the tilt section has to be able to go back to horizontal so people aren't stranded, or am I thinking of giovanla's design? The coaster doesn't look as painful as most Vekomas and has a kind of lack luster design, probably due to the fact that this was the prototype, but it has potential. It is a fairly old ride now though being built in 2002 and I was surprised as it seems like some people hadn't heard of it yet.
incredicoaster Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 I saw an onride video of this coaster and it is kind fo boring coaster. The tilting part is slow and well, as a vekoma I can only think about one thing - My Neck ! hey do you still happen to have that POV because if you do can u plz pm me and tell.
martinb Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 The Tilt Coaster seems quite interesting and probably a bit scary, but I bet the reliability is very poor, same with that thrill lift, what a waste of money, Jubilee Odyssey would be open more than that. -Martyn
kayoss Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 The Tilt Coaster seems quite interesting and probably a bit scary, but I bet the reliability is very poor, same with that thrill lift, what a waste of money, Jubilee Odyssey would be open more than that. -Martyn Um.... how is http://www.rcdb.com/id1413.htm Jubilee a Thrill Lift, exactly? And second, I didn't think a 'thrill lift' existed beyond concept.
martinb Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 The Tilt Coaster seems quite interesting and probably a bit scary, but I bet the reliability is very poor, same with that thrill lift, what a waste of money, Jubilee Odyssey would be open more than that. -Martyn Where in that statement above did I say that JO is a thrill lift? Its a coaster thats hardly ever open, and I would imagine the thrill lift to have the same reliability. -Martyn
verticalzero Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 I have not been on this coaster as it is 2 far away from the UK, hope another example can be built in Europe. This looks a cool idea, if the layout was better designed it could be a winner. I use this type of coaster quite a lot on RCT3, I have it tilting into the swimming pool and go under-ground.
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