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It may just be me, but it seems that every California announcement for 2013 has been met with a lukewarm response at best. Disappointment that Gold Striker was "just another GCI," a ton of complaining about Full Throttle, and now a number of people unhappy with Knott's new addition. Yes, it is not a giga coaster, but to be honest I don't think Knott's is the right park for a giga, and I think anyone who expected Cedar Fair to purchase three major new coasters in one year was probably getting their hopes up a little too high.

 

As for me, while I would have preferred a new B&M I do think this is a fantastic addition and will probably work better in the long run. Coast Rider may just be a wild mouse, but of the stock wild mouse designs the large park is my favorite and assuming it's not trimmed to death this could be the best of Knott's family coasters. While the capacity is isn't great, it's not too bad either (900 riders per hour shouldn't be an issue at Knott's except during peak periods). As for the other two rides, scramblers are always fun (in my opinion they are one of the best family flats), and when it was originally speculated that the park would add new flats I was hoping one would be a flyers attraction. This addition will add diversity to the thrill-centric boardwalk and other than perhaps a splash battle I can't think of a better family ride for this spot. The only minor complaint I have is that the Coast Rider name just doesn't work at Knott's, as while it's certainly better than some of Cedar Fair's names it's too similar to GhostRider and will probably cause confusion among visitors. Why not just call it Wave Runner, or even Wild Mouse (I'm sure plenty of boardwalks had coasters named this)?

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You know SFMM is doing something wrong when your more excited about 3 family rides than YOLOcoaster.

Honestly, perhaps I'm a bit biased due to CGA being my home park, but as far as coasters go, I'm most excited about Gold Striker

 

I think this is probably a good move for Knotts and is very fitting for their 'boardwalk' area. The scrambler alone makes me think of the former scrambler SCBB had back in the day...and the Flyers would be an awesome ride if situated at an actual boardwalk (sea breezes could provide interesting rides). The mouse looks like it could be fun and a welcome addition to the park. The name on the other hand...yuck! I do kind of like the name "Surf Gliders" as much as the name is kind of contradicting (water and air?)...it also holds true to recent Cedar Fair naming formula being 'Noun Verb-er.'

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^ I will say I am more excited about Gold Striker than Full Throttle, I just wanted to do a comparison between Knott's and SFMM because they are more direct competitors due to location. I am so excited to finally try a Flying Scooters though. It's actually more exciting to me than Coast Rider.

 

(Gold Striker is the best coaster in 2013 for CA, I will not even try nor want to fight that)

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^I will admit as well, I was looking at the coaster and whatnot and suddenly I got even more excited over the flyers! I've become a flyer addict myself this past season as CGA has some decent flyers. They are the prototype of the newer Larson model and are quite snappable if you are looking to do that, or just even being able to get some really high outward swings! I'm not sure how the Knott's version will run, but I will have to try that one out and see how it does.

 

Hopefully that mouse won't run trim-happy. I've had some pretty good rides on CGA's mouse (different manufacturer/layout) when the trims didn't fire hard enough or didn't trim at all...also have gotten some good pops of air on it...wishing Coast Rider had a little more airtime humps much like the Bay Area counterpart. I do however like how it has that huge drop before going into the turns.

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Knott's is making a shrewd move to corner the kiddie coaster market:

 

With the addition of Coast Rider, Knott's will reclaim its rightful place as a Golden State amusement industry leader. That'll be five, count 'em five junior / family coasters. The pressure to keep pace is on nearby Legoland California, which boasts a paltry four kid-pleasingly low thrill shriek machines.

 

The move threatens even the Disney leviathan. It takes two Mouse House parks to better the Berry Farm's vast collection of coasters for children and the scare-impaired. Blogger Al Lutz of MiceRage.com says Disney Is woefully prepared to counter the new threat due to a typically misguided marketing message. Disney's legendary mountain range consists of a wild mouse, mine train, and, um, dual track wild mouse disguised as intimidating juggernauts suited only for over-adrenalized teens.

 

Knott's General Manager Raffi Kaprelyan predicts soaring group sales performance, particularly in the critical elementary school field trip sector.

 

 

That's a lot of low thrill coasters in the park, and seems to be a return to the earlier days. Until the park proves otherwise by adding a 'big' ride, it reads as a repudiation of Cedar Fair's strategy upon acquisition. If my kids were still six and eight I'd love the move.

 

It seems like Knott's has a small competition with LLC, but why have a competition if they're adding a clone of a coaster in LLC?

 

Honestly, something like a Gerstlauer Bobsled such as Aquawind (Lagunasia) would be better as it would differentiate itself from Technic Coaster (LLC). Aquawind is a clone of Pandemonium (SFDK), just without spinning cars.

 

Also, this scares me:

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The GP will be confused with these two coasters.

 

(Image credit: RCDB)

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^I will admit as well, I was looking at the coaster and whatnot and suddenly I got even more excited over the flyers! I've become a flyer addict myself this past season as CGA has some decent flyers. They are the prototype of the newer Larson model and are quite snappable if you are looking to do that, or just even being able to get some really high outward swings! I'm not sure how the Knott's version will run, but I will have to try that one out and see how it does.

 

Hopefully that mouse won't run trim-happy. I've had some pretty good rides on CGA's mouse (different manufacturer/layout) when the trims didn't fire hard enough or didn't trim at all...also have gotten some good pops of air on it...wishing Coast Rider had a little more airtime humps much like the Bay Area counterpart. I do however like how it has that huge drop before going into the turns.

I'm also quite curious about how they'll run these flyers, and I wonder if Larson changed anything about their flyers after they built the prototype for CGA. I still find flyers to be very fun, them being a controllable flat. Even without snapping, getting big swooping dives is an art in and of itself.

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I never mastered the art of snapping at Flying Eagles (CGA), but it still was a lot of fun. I can't wait for Surfside Glider to open, I know I'll try to ride that as much as possible, plus it would have such a nice atmosphere with the new Boardwalk Bay and Coast Rider in the back.

 

Even though the concept art proves me wrong, I hope Coast Rider will be a mirror-image of Technic Coaster, so at least it will be a little different.

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I think the worst part of this addition is the color of Coast Rider if those are the colors.

 

I have no problems with the colors and it fits the Boardwalk really well. Plus, I wouldn't rely on the concept art with the color of the coaster, it can look much different. Plus, these wild mouse coasters usually look good in any paint scheme. Technic Coaster (LLC) has faded blue track and blue supports and it looks really nice.

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With Coast Rider and these new additions coming, perhaps they'll finish painting Xcelerator's track to make the area look nicer around the new addition (like how CF painted Anaconda's lift for the opening of I-305).

 

May I give the nickname of Coast Rider, "Coasty"?

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With Coast Rider and these new additions coming, perhaps they'll finish painting Xcelerator's track to make the area look nicer around the new addition (like how CF painted Anaconda's lift for the opening of I-305).

 

Only if they do a better job of it than Kings Dominion did. The only part of Anaconda that got painted was the final turn and brake run.

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With Coast Rider and these new additions coming, perhaps they'll finish painting Xcelerator's track to make the area look nicer around the new addition (like how CF painted Anaconda's lift for the opening of I-305).

 

Only if they do a better job of it than Kings Dominion did. The only part of Anaconda that got painted was the final turn and brake run.

 

Yeah, I heard about that. Though, the GP will notice very easily that a portion of Xcelerator has been painted and they'll say "OMG, WHY IS DAH COASTER HAV DIFFRENT COLORS?!?!". Plus, Xcelerator is only 2202' and they already finished painting the supports, so it shouldn't cost that much money to finish it.

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Looks like a good addition for the park - while family coasters don't offer much in the way of an aggressive thrill they can still be pretty fun (although I'm not really a wild mouse fan). I'd like to see the new rides paired with some decent theming though.

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I understood the post, and MrSum1_55's response is one I agree with. From the park's standpoint, the addition absolutely makes sense. I'm just questioning the usage of the word excitement. It's nit-picking, yeah, but more often than not, sensible/logical expansions are not exciting. They can be- if you work in park management, or if you're the audience they're targeting (families with young-ish kids), but that's pretty much where it ends. People on park discussion boards seem to like being armchair quarterbacks, as if a well-placed/well-thought up addition will affect them somehow. It won't. That's why we have Roller Coaster Tycoon.

 

That's not a direct response to you- that mentality is pretty common on just about every coaster related website.

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I understood the post, and MrSum1_55's response is one I agree with. From the park's standpoint, the addition absolutely makes sense. I'm just questioning the usage of the word excitement. It's nit-picking, yeah, but more often than not, sensible/logical expansions are not exciting. They can be- if you work in park management, or if you're the audience they're targeting (families with young-ish kids), but that's pretty much where it ends. People on park discussion boards seem to like being armchair quarterbacks, as if a well-placed/well-thought up addition will affect them somehow. It won't. That's why we have Roller Coaster Tycoon.

 

That's not a direct response to you- that mentality is pretty common on just about every coaster related website.

 

This makes great sense to me. I guess I should say in my opinion it is more exciting that Knott's is getting a good flat ride and a good family coaster which are things that the park really needs as opposed to SFMM getting another gimmicky ride with bad capacity that can be argued to be a horrible use of space which is something the park has quite a few of already and could easily get by without.

 

Note: I don't count the Scrambler for KBF as a new ride as it's been there for so long, just not continuously.

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I understood the post, and MrSum1_55's response is one I agree with. From the park's standpoint, the addition absolutely makes sense. I'm just questioning the usage of the word excitement. It's nit-picking, yeah, but more often than not, sensible/logical expansions are not exciting. They can be- if you work in park management, or if you're the audience they're targeting (families with young-ish kids), but that's pretty much where it ends. People on park discussion boards seem to like being armchair quarterbacks, as if a well-placed/well-thought up addition will affect them somehow. It won't. That's why we have Roller Coaster Tycoon.

 

That's not a direct response to you- that mentality is pretty common on just about every coaster related website.

 

This makes great sense to me. I guess I should say in my opinion it is more exciting that Knott's is getting a good flat ride and a good family coaster which are things that the park really needs as opposed to SFMM getting another gimmicky ride with bad capacity that can be argued to be a horrible use of space which is something the park has quite a few of already and could easily get by without.

 

Note: I don't count the Scrambler for KBF as a new ride as it's been there for so long, just not continuously.

 

At least these new additions are adding a lot of atmosphere to Knott's as Full Throttle will kill High Sierra Territory.

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So the statistics and concept art both indicate that Coast Rider will be a Mack Wild Mouse "Large Park" model. This seems like a slightly odd choice to me because if Knott's wanted to purchase a new family coaster, I would think they could just have easily gone with something a little more unique and with higher capacity (not to mention the fact that Legoland just down the road already has a clone of this model.)

 

This leads me to believe there is a good chance that this may be a relocation of either Ricochet from KD or Fly from CW (both the same model.) This would explain why they made what would have been a kind of weird choice if they purchased it new.

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