hyyyper Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wouldn't FP+ encourage park hopping? Or are you restricted to 3 FP's per day instead of 3 FP's per park per day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Interesting benefit to encourage upgrading to the parkhopper at a time whne Disney is going the other way with Fastpass+ discouraging park hopping. Â This is actually not true for their long term plans. Don't be fooled into thinking that the way FastPass+ is right NOW is the way it will be forever. Remember, the system is still in "testing." Â I think is pretty clear that Fastpass+ today will be very different from what it becomes five years from now. My point is more than in the summer of 2014 the two companies seem to be taking very different paths. For Universal which needs to break the reputation of being a one day escape from disney it is a brilliant move. Can't wait to see how Disney reacts if this works. Wait, what?!?! This is so incredibly dumb! What do you mean "How Disney REACTS???" Do you *HONESTLY BELIEVE* that Disney is just doing this on the fly and they don't have a plan? And that they are just simply "reacting" to something Universal is doing??? Â Please, PLEASE tell me you don't actually think this way. Â --Robb "Seriously, this might have been one of the dumbest things I've read in a while." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wouldn't FP+ encourage park hopping? Or are you restricted to 3 FP's per day instead of 3 FP's per park per day? You are restricted to 3 FP's per day RIGHT NOW. Keeping mind they have only *JUST* turned off the legacy FP machines at two parks over the past month, and the other two parks will be turned off this week. Â There is going to be a LOT of changes that we will see with FP+ over the next couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wouldn't FP+ encourage park hopping? Or are you restricted to 3 FP's per day instead of 3 FP's per park per day? Â The *current* way the system works (which, as Robb says, is RIGHT NOW) is 3 FP per day, restricted to one park. As of right now, you cannot get FP+ reservations at EPCOT and one of the other 3 parks on the same day. Whether or not it stays that way is a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Wouldn't FP+ encourage park hopping? Or are you restricted to 3 FP's per day instead of 3 FP's per park per day? Â The *current* way the system works (which, as Robb says, is RIGHT NOW) is 3 FP per day, restricted to one park. As of right now, you cannot get FP+ reservations at EPCOT and one of the other 3 parks on the same day. Whether or not it stays that way is a mystery. Everything I've heard, unofficially, that it's not a matter when *IF* it will be changed to include park hopping, it's just *WHEN*. Â Think about it this way - the system is VERY complex and has required a lot of testing and baby steps. The biggest test, other than the actual MagicBand roll out, was removing the legacy FastPass machines from the park. They tested this with Animal Kingdom in December and that went VERY well. Earlier this month they removed them from Magic Kingdom, and this week they disappear from Epcot and Studios. Â If I had to put my money on it, I'd say the next change we will see will be the park hopping. Why? Because that multi-day ticket is a VERY hot commodity for Disney and of course they want to encourage people to buy them. Â BUT...it's by far more welcoming to "add" features to the FastPass+ system than it is to "take away." That's why the system started out with 3 FastPasses instead of, let's say, 5 or 6. Â People are going to be much happier when they hear "Oh, now I can book FOUR FP+ each day" than if they had started with six and had to drop two based on testing. Â Again, this is all "un-official", but if you use common sense, this should all "make sense" to you. Â --Robb Edited January 23, 2014 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 But, but, Robb, the internet says Disney wants to end park hopping and force me to stay at Disney's Animal Kingdom open to close. WHADDAWEGONNADOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 But, but, Robb, the internet says Disney wants to end park hopping and force me to stay at Disney's Animal Kingdom open to close. WHADDAWEGONNADOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denning Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is so incredibly dumb! What do you mean "How Disney REACTS???" Do you *HONESTLY BELIEVE* that Disney is just doing this on the fly and they don't have a plan? And that they are just simply "reacting" to something Universal is doing??? Please, PLEASE tell me you don't actually think this way.  --Robb "Seriously, this might have been one of the dumbest things I've read in a while." Alvey  I know this is your site and I don't want to bite the hand that feeds but that is a valid comment that does not warrant mocking on multiple forms.  This is - and correct me if I am wrong - the first time there has been an exclusive expensive premiere attraction only available to parkhoppers. If it is a big hit and the public reacts well to it so that a large percentage of people who previously bought only single day tickets now upgrade to parkhoppers in order to see the exclusive attaction. How is dumb to speculate as to nature and timing of whether Disney is going to counter with their own parkhopping exclusives.  No one is accusing Disney of doing anything on the fly. Universal's plan has not exactly been a secret. I am sure there have been many discussions about whether such parkhopper, or on-resort guest, exclusive attractions make sense for Disney's model. It would not suprise me at all if such concepts were even considered back at the time of building Epcot. I am sure there has even been some WDI work done and financial modeling.  The real question is how the public reacts and how the investment community views the reaction. If senior management believes that the shareholders would be receptive I could very much see Disney greenlighting their own exclusive attractions. This could be a great development for the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I still don't understand people who think Universal Orlando and Disney World are competing. Or that Disney is watching behind their back at Universal. Â Oh, and Disneyland has had a monorail that requires a ticket to exit at one point for over 50 years. We still don't have the *full* story on how that Potter Train will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) This is - and correct me if I am wrong - the first time there has been an exclusive expensive premiere attraction only available to parkhoppers. Both Wizarding World of Harry Potters (which are really set up as separate attractions, you can even see that by how Universal bills them: https://media.universalorlando.com/HarryPotterNews/) is on less of a scale than opening up even a new park, like Walt Disney World did with Magic Kingdom and Epcot. Â I don't see why people are making a huge deal out of this. Resorts for YEARS have been building "separate ticket" attractions. I think Universal has just done a very good job at spinning it to make it appear different. But it's really no different than needing a two-park ticket to visit the Toy Story attraction at Disneyland and the Toy Story attraction at California Adventure. Â If it is a big hit and the public reacts well to it so that a large percentage of people who previously bought only single day tickets now upgrade to parkhoppers in order to see the exclusive attaction. How is dumb to speculate as to nature and timing of whether Disney is going to counter with their own parkhopping exclusives. I don't even think this makes any sense. You clearly don't even understand how ticketing works at Walt Disney World. The parks themselves are the attraction. Have you visited Walt Disney World? Have you seen the amount of people that already buy multi-day, multi-park tickets? You're creating a scenario that doesn't even exist! Â Let's try to keep this discussion grounded in reality from now on. Â Thank you. Â --Robb Edited January 23, 2014 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I hope this leads to the Disney clickbait sites running "FP+ is going to end parkhopping because THEY WILL CONTROL YOU~" alarmism parallel to "Disney will almost certainly counter with their own ride to encourage parkhopping!" If they can make up attractions it would be applicable for and call them confirmed before promptly cancelling them, it would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 But, but, Robb, the internet says Disney wants to end park hopping and force me to stay at Disney's Animal Kingdom open to close. WHADDAWEGONNADOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denning Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Robb there is a subtle yet important distinction between the Toy Story rides at different parks and the Hogswart Express. You can buy single park tickets and go on different days to Hollywood Studios and the Magic Kingdom and ride both attractions. Often times it does not make sense to purchase the upgrade to the parkhopper if your plans allow you enough time to do a park a day. You get the same experience. Â I think you hit the nail on the head with referencing "seperate ticket" attractions. This is the best marketed and likely most impressive "seperate" single attraction I have seen. Because it is subtle in that isn't marketing like a true pay-pre-ride add-on like a skycoaster. I know that even if I did not intend to parkhop that I will have to now buy the upgrade so that my kid can go on the hogswart express. Â If Disney builds a special Frozen ride that only resort guests or those with parkhoppers can ride. Guess what - my wallet is going to open. Â And with fastpass+ disney has the technology to subtly segregate exclusive attractions without neccesarily building expensive infrastructure. I can easily imagine that Disney could make a special Fastpass+ times for 'premium' guests to ride an exclusive film or a unique Monsters Inc. show or a bonus Philharmagic scene. The possibilities are endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I love he new magic plus bands. Â The only complaint I have about them, is your only allowed 3 fast passes a day per park. I think that once they get that figured out, this will be the greatest thing since frozen pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I love he new magic plus bands. Â The only complaint I have about them, is your only allowed 3 fast passes a day per park. I think that once they get that figured out, this will be the greatest thing since frozen pizza. Â What will most likely happen is the amount will increase as they see how the systems handles things with pre-reserved rides and day of reservations. If they see the ability to add more reservations, they will. Its just way easier to increase the amount you get instead of decreasing. Â I do wonder though: They have been fooling around with flexible ticketing. Meaning higher demand times of the year will have higher priced tickets, and lower demand times have lower priced tickets. This idea could also be rolled into FP+, saying high demand days will allow less reservations and lower days more reservations. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 They have been fooling around with flexible ticketing. Meaning higher demand times of the year will have higher priced tickets, and lower demand times have lower priced tickets. This idea could also be rolled into FP+, saying high demand days will allow less reservations and lower days more reservations. Just a thought. They could go back to the ABCDE attraction-tiering structure and be like, "We're going to give you three AB reservations, two CD reservations and one E reservation per day." Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 They have been fooling around with flexible ticketing. Meaning higher demand times of the year will have higher priced tickets, and lower demand times have lower priced tickets. This idea could also be rolled into FP+, saying high demand days will allow less reservations and lower days more reservations. Just a thought. They could go back to the ABCDE attraction-tiering structure and be like, "We're going to give you three AB reservations, two CD reservations and one E reservation per day." Just a thought. Â They have actually already been doing that with FP+ at EPCOT. I don't know if its permanent or if its even still being done. But I know EPCOT was playing with that concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ^They are. The other day when I went to select our Fastpasses for the evening I was given the choice to select one ride from the 'A Tier' and two rides from the 'B Tier'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbomser Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I know EPCOT and Hollywood Studios have gone this route. The thing that is a bit annoying now, is that if you want to FP+ a show (Illuminations or Fantasmic!) you miss out on a quality attraction like Soarin', Test Track, Toy Story and Rock 'n' Roller Coaster. I'm hoping that this is something that will change as the FP+ System is fully rolled out. I can see having 1 choice for a parade or show, and then 3-4 choices for rides (Maybe 1 A-Ride and 2 B-Rides). Â Either way, there hasn't been much backlash (Aside from horrible tanlines ), but there is some definite confusion. My only wish with all the MagicSliders and doo-hickeys they sell for the MagicBands, is that I constantly look at the Band for the time, where is my MagicWatchBand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I know EPCOT and Hollywood Studios have gone this route. The thing that is a bit annoying now, is that if you want to FP+ a show (Illuminations or Fantasmic!) you miss out on a quality attraction like Soarin', Test Track, Toy Story and Rock 'n' Roller Coaster. I'm hoping that this is something that will change as the FP+ System is fully rolled out. I can see having 1 choice for a parade or show, and then 3-4 choices for rides (Maybe 1 A-Ride and 2 B-Rides). This is almost exactly how I would expect it to work...eventually...maybe even soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I am not a watch or bracelet wearer, and its not cause of tan lines, haha. I just don't wear those types of things. Has anyone seen if they are allowing an alternate way to use My Magic Plus and FP+? An armband is no deal at all, I wear them on every TPR trip! I'm just curious is there was any alternative that they have tested yet. Not the RFID stickers, because the magic band has a battery, so that's not a solution I'm referring to. Â Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I am not a watch or bracelet wearer, and its not cause of tan lines, haha. I just don't wear those types of things. Has anyone seen if they are allowing an alternate way to use My Magic Plus and FP+? An armband is no deal at all, I wear them on every TPR trip! I'm just curious is there was any alternative that they have tested yet. Not the RFID stickers, because the magic band has a battery, so that's not a solution I'm referring to. Â Just curious. Are you positive the MagicBand has a battery because I can use my hard ticket AP and it acts exactly like a MagicBand if I wanted to. I even was able to open up the door at our resort with it. Â This is the first I've heard there is any sort of battery in the MagicBand. Â EDIT: I just read somewhere else that it appears to have a battery. What is that used for? Because, like I said, my RFID enabled AP does exactly the same things as my MagicBand does, so if I didn't want to wear my MagicBand, I could just keep taking my AP out of my wallet every time I wanted to use a MagicBand function. Edited January 23, 2014 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 MagicBands are always operational. They don’t require batteries or have an on/off switch. If you lose a MagicBand, you can deactivate it on My Disney Experience, and it will no longer be linked to your tickets and other entitlements. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I am not a watch or bracelet wearer, and its not cause of tan lines, haha. I just don't wear those types of things. Has anyone seen if they are allowing an alternate way to use My Magic Plus and FP+? An armband is no deal at all, I wear them on every TPR trip! I'm just curious is there was any alternative that they have tested yet. Not the RFID stickers, because the magic band has a battery, so that's not a solution I'm referring to.  Just curious. Are you positive the MagicBand has a battery because I can use my hard ticket AP and it acts exactly like a MagicBand if I wanted to. I even was able to open up the door at our resort with it.  This is the first I've heard there is any sort of battery in the MagicBand.  EDIT: I just read somewhere else that it appears to have a battery. What is that used for? Because, like I said, my RFID enabled AP does exactly the same things as my MagicBand does, so if I didn't want to wear my MagicBand, I could just keep taking my AP out of my wallet every time I wanted to use a MagicBand function.   I have absolutely no clue why it has a battery. I would think it wouldn't need it cause the power supply is on the other side of the system. Maybe its a yet-to-be implemented functionally?  MagicBands are always operational. They don’t require batteries or have an on/off switch. If you lose a MagicBand, you can deactivate it on My Disney Experience, and it will no longer be linked to your tickets and other entitlements. Source  Though they don't 'require' one, they 100% most definitely do have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If they don't require 1 then I'm not sure why it would be in there but yes I just read it does have 1 as Robb said so my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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