Arrow Loop Height

[GigaG]

The wikipedia article for Viper-

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viper_(Six_Flags_Magic_Mountain)

 

states that Arrow never changed the heights of their loops, only the height at which the loop started. How tall was an Arrow loop excluding the rise up into it (like Viper and Anaconda.)

[ViperLover]

I calculated around 57 feet. I used the Demon at Six Flags Great America. It has a 103 foot lift and a 90 ft drop. So then it's 13 feet off of the ground after the drop. Then it goes up to 70 feet through a loop. 70-13= 57 feet.

[GayCoasterGuy]

Buried deep in storage somewhere, I have a "press folder" from Great America stating the Demon loops were 78' and 55'. I remember those numbers vividly as it seemed wrong that the 1st loop is 23' higher than the second one; I think that was an error. At the same time, the park said the Demon was different heights as well, so who knows.

 

I'm betting Arrow pretty much used one size. In Demon's case, the first loop:

 

has 17 track ties across the top, while the 2nd loop:

 

has 15 track ties across the top. The 2nd loop is visually shorter and more *squat* looking than the first - BUT Demon is a special case/custom model.

 

Shockwave (at Great America) had the same loop as the first Demon loop:

 

Most of their loops look and feel the same. They just put a large radius entrance into them, prop them up in they sky - and there you go - the worlds tallest loop! Then B&M came along with Kumba in 1993...

[GigaG]

Apparently, Shuttle Loops by Arrow are 56 feet tall, and the loop looks like the highest point.

[ViperLover]

I don't think that all of Arrow's loops were exactly the same height, just similar in height. As you can see, Viper at Darien Lake has 17 ties too.

Photo taken from RCDB

[viking86]

Arrow definately used different loop sizes. Look at the picture of Orient Express below. As you can see, the loops were very small. If you compare to the picture of Viper above you can see that the rear car is in about the same position, but the front car has made it further through the loop.

 

 

http://rcdb.com/21.htm?p=2804

[GigaG]

OK! On another note, do any Arrow coasters have a lift straight out of the station (without turning first?)

[deathbydinn]

I calculated around 57 feet. I used the Demon at Six Flags Great America. It has a 103 foot lift and a 90 ft drop. So then it's 13 feet off of the ground after the drop. Then it goes up to 70 feet through a loop. 70-13= 57 feet.

 

You're forgetting that Demon has a drop out of the lift before the turn and 90 foot drop, so it's much less than 13 feet off the ground.

 

[dippindotsguy8]

OK! On another note, do any Arrow coasters have a lift straight out of the station (without turning first?)

 

Viper does

[GayCoasterGuy]

^The only one I can think of is Viper at Magic Mountain. That one is straight out, right? It's been so long...

[GayCoasterGuy]

^^You beat me to it

[JonnyRCT3]

Arrows First V-loop,

they all do look about the same as Corkscrew's.

[GigaG]

^How tall is Corkscrew's loop? The drop height wouldn't be accurate because the second hill goes lower - is there even a drop height out for Corkscrew?

 

I just thought Viper and came back to correct myself to find you guys answered already. Thanks! Anyways, why do Arrow lifts make that clank-clank-clank noise combined with the clunk-clunk-clunk noise (can't describe it any way else, and sorry for going so far off topic...)

[GayCoasterGuy]

Anyways, why do Arrow lifts make that clank-clank-clank noise combined with the clunk-clunk-clunk noise (can't describe it any way else, and sorry for going so far off topic...)

 

Most likely, all that hollow-ness of the track and structure and how the sound bounces through and off it.

[Double0Kevin]

I call BS. These loops on Demon are clearly different and there is no elevation change from exiting the first and entering the second.

 

 

EDIT: I see looking back that Demon was already used to call BS. Just take this one as reinforcement.

[ViperLover]

I think that we all can conclude that most of Arrow's loops were one size, with 17 ties around the top. In certain circumstances they were made slightly larger or smaller.

[ViperLover]

Just for reinforcement, here is an Arrow launched looper called Sidewinder at Elitch Gardens. It only has 15 ties.

Photo taken from RCDB

[gforce1994]

Clarification time! They used two different sizes of loops! If the loop was not the 17 tier one, than it was the 15 tier one and visa versa.

[Wes]

^The only one I can think of is Viper at Magic Mountain. That one is straight out, right? It's been so long...

 

Ninja and Flight Deck too, right?

[singemfrc]

^The only one I can think of is Viper at Magic Mountain. That one is straight out, right? It's been so long...

Just happened to have this handy from my last visit. This is of course looking out from the loading platform. Straight out and up.

[viking86]

OK! On another note, do any Arrow coasters have a lift straight out of the station (without turning first?)

 

Anaconda @ Kings Dominion only has a small dip and a short straight section between the station and the lift hill.

 

http://rcdb.com/92.htm?p=32875

[nannerdw]

They started experimenting a little bit with Tennessee Tornado. Was this their only large loop?

[IronWolfman]

A thing I noticed, is Arrow has less ties for the track on more complicated structures. I noticed, by looking at SFMM Viper's corkscrews and seeing that all the ties are evenly space close together, but will in line for Silverwood's Corkscrew, I noticed that when the track connects to the complicated lattice support structure, the ties went to a spacing of every other tie.

[ViperLover]

They started experimenting a little bit with Tennessee Tornado. Was this their only large loop?

 

Yes, Tennesee Tornado was one of Arrow's last coasters. This loop was a new element called the Spiro Loop. I'm pretty sure that is was one of a kind.

[Tsunami78]

IDK if it counts, but Steel Phantom had (and Phantom's Revenge still has) the lift right out of the station as well