Canada's Wonderland Discussion Thread

[Carnage]

The queue will hold approximately 45 minutes worth of guests, will be shaded by "sails" and may contain a DJ booth

 

Really?? This is a park that often has a 2 hour line for it's SLC in the summer.

 

Hope they have some plan for an overflow queue, as people are going to be lining up in the midway.

[Shockwave]

If there's a DJ booth, I hope they play nothing but Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Tom Cochrane, Corey Hart, Alanis Morrissette, Crash Test Dummies, Shania Twain and the Barenaked Ladies.

[Carnage]

^ I think you're thinking of Mantis' queue music.

[clewis4u]

Really?? This is a park that often has a 2 hour line for it's SLC in the summer.

This is a high capacity B&M remember. So in less than an hour I can get on Behemoth . Hmmm. How many times can i ride it on a 12 hour operating day .

[SharkTums]

^It's still going to have longer than a 45 minute line!!!

 

I know you're not used to having rides with capacity at CW, but they do still get lines. Look at Raging Bull and Nitro. Even with 3 train op they'll run at over an hour at many peak times. And we're talking about CW ops here so I'm not impressed.

[Carnage]

Really?? This is a park that often has a 2 hour line for it's SLC in the summer.

This is a high capacity B&M remember. So in less than an hour I can get on Behemoth . Hmmm. How many times can i ride it on a 12 hour operating day .

 

You won't get on it in under an hour at any point in the summer. Just because the queue line holds 45 minutes, doesn't mean that the line will be 45 minutes.

 

If the line overflows all the way to Drop Zone, then all that means is that it will be a 45 minute wait once you get to the queue.

[clewis4u]

^It's still going to have longer than a 45 minute line!!!

Yes, but they'll most likely stop more people from lining up. They did that with Italian Job the year it debuted. There were 2 employees in front of the queue line and they were turning away guests. Since this will most likely happen with Behemoth too, I'll be sure to get in as soon as possible. I'll stand there and wait until they're accepting more people.

[robbalvey]

^It's still going to have longer than a 45 minute line!!!

Yes, but they'll most likely stop more people from lining up. They did that with Italian Job the year it debuted. There were 2 employees in front of the queue line and they were turning away guests. Since this will most likely happen with Behemoth too, I'll be sure to get in as soon as possible. I'll stand there and wait until they're accepting more people.

So then you're saying Paul and Elissa are right.....

 

Turning away guests because you didn't bother to build a long enough queue to hold enough people is f**cking idioctic and I refuse to believe they would actually do this.

 

--Robb

[clewis4u]

So then you're saying Paul and Elissa are right.....

 

Turning away guests because you didn't bother to build a long enough queue to hold enough people is f**cking idioctic and I refuse to believe they would actually do this.

 

--Robb

 

Yes, I very much agree with you. Hopefully they'll just let the line spill onto the midway. Or maybe they will reconsider and build a bigger queue line. Seriously though, 45 minutes? Top Gun will even have a longer queue line.

[mightypotato]

If the line overflows all the way to Drop Zone...

 

You know...I wouldn't be surprised if I saw that. Not surprised at all.

[Carnage]

^ Neither would I if the line only holds 45 minutes.

 

Though of course, I'm sure they wouldn't let the line stretch that far, without at least setting up temporary queues. Or doing some sort of ticket system.

 

Still baffles me though why they would have such a small queue for such a major ride.

[thecoasterkid]

Exactly, if that 45 minute queue length is accurate, it's by far the worst move the park has made in recent memory. Even 5 years down the road this coaster will get longer lines than that. Millenium Force, which has pretty good capacity and very capable ride-ops (something CW lacks), still pulls 1.5hr lines on peak days.

 

Plan on riding this thing maybe once a day during the peak summer hours. You'll have to get to the park early and join the all out sprint to Behemoth if you want an hour or less wait.

 

This queue should be built to hold a 1.5hr line minimum. Even at that length there would still be plenty of overflow onto the mid-way during the first few years. I can only hope that Wonderland will use some extra ropes on the mid-way, or have multiple people working the overflow line this year. If they don't line jumping is going to be a nightmare.

[clewis4u]

All we can do is basically wait and see how things turn out. I'll be going on Season Pass Preview Nite so I'll make sure to report how things are. Of course SPPN can't be compared to a regular operating day, but if it gets filled on Season Pass Night then there will definitely be issues. I really hope they get a team of well trained people that can meet capacity expectations.

[TTD]

Well I don't know actually. SheiKra at Busch Gardens (sorry I'm referring to SheiKra but its the easiest ride for me to justify) has about 30 minutes worth of queue in it's ride area and it does perfectly fine. I mean, BGT is one of the most popular parks in the country due to its location in Florida and its getting away with it, so I wouldn't be too worried about the queue situation for Behemoth, regardless of how many people Canada's Wonderland pumps in each year. The thing about it is that B&M is chosen for capacity, and with long rides like Behemoth it shouldn't be too difficult to cycle those 36 passenger trains without stacking. I for one am not worried by this, but more excited to the fact that Wonderland is confident about this ride pumping in some serious capacitative numbers.

[Carnage]

All we can do is basically wait and see how things turn out. I'll be going on Season Pass Preview Nite so I'll make sure to report how things are. Of course SPPN can't be compared to a regular operating day, but if it gets filled on Season Pass Night then there will definitely be issues. I really hope they get a team of well trained people that can meet capacity expectations.

 

SPPN tends to be busier than a normal operating day. I've seen large crowds at SPPN before. Not too mention the fact that the employees are totally fresh and not working to capacity yet. So I'd fully expect a large line for Behemoth during SPPN.

 

Actually, the last time I was at the event Skyrider was a 45 minute station wait.

[Wes]

^^ Canada's Wonderland was the #1 seasonal park in terms of attendance last year. Remember, Busch Gardens is open all year round, while CW is closed 4-5 months each year. Also, the main draw of Busch Gardens is the animal aspect, while CW is strictly an amusement park.

[niiicolaaah]

I wouldn't be surprised if the loading times on this ride really sucked at first, cause it will be the first time the ops have to figure out how to load a B&M.

 

At least there will be 1 air gate for every 2 seats instead of 4!

[Carnage]

Also BGT has a few marquee coasters.

 

CW now has one. So you know exactly where everyone is going as soon as the gates open.

[TTD]

I don't know guys. I honestly think you will all be surprised with how fast the line moves for this coaster. I guess the best part about Behemoth that will really be a difference maker in the capacity is the fact that there will be 16 air gates, meaning that riders are already organized and arranged for loading, rather than one air gate per 4 people, with people scrambling to figure out who's going to ride in what seat. And no, I don't doubt that there will be waits for this ride over an hour plus (referring back to SheiKra, the ride opened with the queue stretching all the way back to the land of the dragons... a good quarter mile south of the ride with a wait time clocked at 3 to 4 hours if I can remember correctly) but at the same time, those waits weren't 3-4 hours, because these rides literally eat people. Although I think it'd take an act of God to get people from riding this coaster, I do believe that eventually once the hype dies down that the queue will be adequate for the kind of park that Canada's Wonderland is.

 

Say, can anybody tell me what the most popular rides in the park are right now? Lets just hope that Italian Job isn't one of them aye?

[mightypotato]

Say, can anybody tell me what the most popular rides in the park are right now? Lets just hope that Italian Job isn't one of them aye?

 

Top Gun, an SLC is easily the most popular ride at the park. During peak season, its not uncommon to see two hour waits for the ride. And CW thinks that a B&M hypercoaster only needs 45 minutes of queue? This summer is going to be messy.

[yankees15]

Now I have never been to CW but I have always heard that it can get very crowded. I believe that the ride should have at least a que that can hold 1.5 - 2 hours. Even with the ride having 3 trains, the lines will be long. At SFGADV Nitro always has at least a 30 minute line and that is with all the other great coasters in the park. Also, I believe that the train having seat belts will greatly increase loading times.

[clewis4u]

Now I have never been to CW but I have always heard that it can get very crowded. I believe that the ride should have at least a que that can hold 1.5 - 2 hours.

 

I agree with you. But basically there's nothing to do besides wait and see how things turn out. Oh, and yes, CW can become VERY crowded. How does waiting an hour for a slice of $4.50 pizza sound? Halloween Haunt was jammed; there were too many people. At the mazes, employees just shuffled the entire line through. The 400 highway was backed up past Vaughan Mills. I was reading on CWMania that if you tried to get in the park at 7pm, you probably wouldn't get in until 8:30. Anyways, back on topic!

[Carnage]

Say, can anybody tell me what the most popular rides in the park are right now? Lets just hope that Italian Job isn't one of them aye?

 

Top Gun would have the longest lines. It's queue fills in the morning when the gates first open.

 

After that, probably be close between Italian Job and Vortex (Arrow suspended). Italian Job will often have a 45 minte+ line. Though that is mostly due to it's bad capacity.

 

I wonder what the line for Minebuster is going to be? Italian Job basically cut Minebuster's line to nothing. Now with Behemoth I wonder if anyone will go ride it.

[clewis4u]

I wonder what the line for Minebuster is going to be? Italian Job basically cut Minebuster's line to nothing. Now with Behemoth I wonder if anyone will go ride it.

 

Excellent. Tear it down!!!

[Acero]

Also, I believe that the train having seat belts will greatly increase loading times.

Absolutely. This is the one thing I love about Nitro (can't really speak for the other hypers) is how all you do is pull down the restraint and you're good to go.

Seatbelts are a pain, and when there are empty seats then the ride ops have to buckle them and they just really create so much unnecessary time.

But it shouldn't decrease the throughput too much.

And yeah, a 45 minute line is just plain stupid on the part of CW.