Dailey Enterprizes Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ^ Yeah, forget the wood. They would have to put in a track section that would look like an Arrow Corkscrew track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixflagsguy5 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 This coaster looks like it will be very good. Voyage and Hades are both great rides and from what I've read, Boardwalk Bullet is pretty good also. I'm hoping to make my way out there sometime this year one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider117 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I guess I'm the only one who thought the 90 degree turns were actually the least intense parts on Voyage and Hades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ^ The 90 degree on Hades you barely even notice. The 90 degree's on Voyage however I felt weren't necessarily intense, but they did kind of hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor6 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Did anyone else think that the train had a lot of difficulty ascending that big hill on the turnaround section? That looks so slow in the POV. Other than that complaint, I can't wait to ride this coaster in May! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I wouldn't worry about a POV being a little off. My main worry is this: It's costing just 1/2 million dollars less than the Voyage, yet it's less than half the length. I really hope this is a $6 million ride, and not a $6 million ride thanks to a very expensive bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niiicolaaah Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^^Yeah, don't worry about the POV.... it's a COMPUTER SIMULATION.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I am guessing the bridge ain't cheap, but it is necessary. I am sure the location also adds to the cost of the ride's foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 A deep tunnel under the road, ala Hades, would have been cooler, but probably insanely expensive and impossible to get a permit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willski Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^That, and the water table can't be much below the road, since the lake is right there. Did anyone else think that the train had a lot of difficulty ascending that big hill on the turnaround section? That looks so slow in the POV. Other than that complaint, I can't wait to ride this coaster in May! Seemed fine to me. Pop of ejector in the front, with floater down the drop and ejector in the back on the drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
methos Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Given my love of B-dash, this ride looks to be outstanding! From the video it looks to have a lot of my favorite things, speed and airtime. The use of the land is also a great thing, Dash has a cool layout and lots of speed but without the hill side its built on it would be half the ride. Flyer looks like another great ride from gravity group. Looks like they have that signature attraction in the works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 A deep tunnel under the road, ala Hades, would have been cooler, but probably insanely expensive and impossible to get a permit for. The problem with a tunnel on an open road is the construction of it. Pretty much all coaster tunnels (including both Hades' and Voyage's) are built by the cut and cover method. THis is basically digging a ditch and then covering over it. This is fine when the tunnel is going under nothing (like voyage) or a parking lot that the park owns (a la Hades), or even park paths (Like SFNE's Supes), but it becomes a logistical nightmare when it is a public road. Traffic would have to be diverted. The other method of building a tunnel, tunneling, is much more expensive and much more dangerous. The water table wouldn't have been too big a problem, there are tunnels and basements of buildings that go under the water table all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The other method of building a tunnel, tunneling, is much more expensive and much more dangerous. So, like I assumed, too expensive. It still would have been much cooler than a bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^I was explaining why it would be more expensive than Hades, because it could never be done a la Hades. I disagree agree about the tunnel being cooler, unless you mean cooler in temperature . I like bridges and this one will be unique. It will also be more beautiful than a concrete ditch could ever hope to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^I was explaining why it would be more expensive than Hades, because it could never be done a la Hades. I disagree agree about the tunnel being cooler, unless you mean cooler in temperature . I like bridges and this one will be unique. It will also be more beautiful than a concrete ditch could ever hope to be. After re-watching the POV, I feel even more strongly about the tunnel concept. That would have allowed them to increase the height of the first drop, making for a faster ride. Though going too big on standard woodies usually doesn't turn out well. I guess it all really depends on how well the train rides across that bridge. If there is a bunch of airtime, then great. I wonder if they'll get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyml Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 talking about the turnaround hill, yes, the comp simulation will prolly be off a little but hades had an uneventful MANY hills thruought the ride still this ride will be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verticalzero Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The bridge will be the most expensive part of the ride, the owner has been waiting for this moment to arrive for years (they missed the original Flyer) and he will pay any cost to get a coaster over the road again. A tunnel like "Hades" would of pushed the project up millions of $$$. How about a bridge on the outward stretch and a tunnel (with chaser lights to make it look like your going faster, have plenty of "Dry Ice" as well for good measure) under the road on the return leg I am sure an "In-line twist" like the below picture is possible on a woodie. The only flat 90 degree track I have been on is the "Wild Mouse" in BPB, have to brace yourself for the slam sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I am sure an "In-line twist" like the below picture is possible on a woodie. What works on a steel roller coaster doesn't always work on a wooden coaster. Wooden coasters work totally different then steel. The example you used has the train physically glued to the track with up stop wheels and side friction wheels. Not so much on a woodie. I'd say an inline twist is not possible on a woodie. And even if it was, no company is going to be dumb enough to attempt it. It obviously didn't work out for SoB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 How about a bridge on the outward stretch and a tunnel (with chaser lights to make it look like your going faster, have plenty of "Dry Ice" as well for good measure) under the road on the return leg Yeah, let's drive the cost up even more. Waldameer is a tiny park that is probably really putting itself out to install this coaster as it is. Wooden coasters work totally different then steel. The example you used has the train physically glued to the track with up stop wheels and side friction wheels. Not so much on a woodie. AFAIK, woodies have all three sets of wheels just like a steel coaster. I think the issue with inversions is they put massive stress on the track and trains. Wood and wooden coaster trains just can't handle that. Not to mention it would be a bitch to try to bend track into a loop. My art skills are amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 AFAIK, woodies have all three sets of wheels just like a steel coaster. I think the issue with inversions is they put massive stress on the track and trains. Wood and wooden coaster trains just can't handle that. Not to mention it would be a bitch to try to bend track into a loop. Yes, they have all three sets of wheels. But what I meant was that they aren't as tight to the track. There's some freedom of movement on woodies that steel coasters don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Yes, they have all three sets of wheels. But what I meant was that they aren't as tight to the track. There's some freedom of movement on woodies that steel coasters don't have. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 AFAIK, woodies have all three sets of wheels just like a steel coaster. I think the issue with inversions is they put massive stress on the track and trains. Wood and wooden coaster trains just can't handle that. Not to mention it would be a bitch to try to bend track into a loop. Yes, they have all three sets of wheels. But what I meant was that they aren't as tight to the track. There's some freedom of movement on woodies that steel coasters don't have. SLC wheels aren't free to move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^ Smart ass. His picture was of an Intamin zero-g roll. That definetly wouldn't have any movement. I've spent entire rides on SLCs watching the side friction wheels. It's shocking just how much they come off the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 ^ Smart a$$. His picture was of an Intamin zero-g roll. That definetly wouldn't have any movement. I've spent entire rides on SLCs watching the side friction wheels. It's shocking just how much they come off the track. I spend my SLC rides using all my might to hold the OTSR as low as possible to minimize the damage to my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccalip Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 ^ Smart a$$. His picture was of an Intamin zero-g roll. That definetly wouldn't have any movement. I've spent entire rides on SLCs watching the side friction wheels. It's shocking just how much they come off the track. I spend my SLC rides using all my might to hold the OTSR as low as possible to minimize the damage to my brain. They're not that rough... Why don't you just bring a nice soft pillow with you and use it for cushioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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