InjunJoe Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 Oh and thank you very much for that information. I'm always grateful for any sort of new thing I can learn about the ride.
TexasParkman Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Injunjoe ...I worked at SFOMA from 75 through 79 in the Animations Department. The original scenes and animation were designed and built by Sid and Marty Kroft. I helped build some the pieces in the Time Tunnel- those pieces were made entirely in-house. I spend a lot of time in that building.. working and on firewatch. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. The building was the first building built on the park grounds. It was used as a carpenter shop and storage facility while the rest of the park was being built. I have pictures of it as the stand alone building....
pixelated85 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 All that needs to be done is the facade and a couple last details and thematic elements in the queue and stuff like that First, I'm sure everyone will be happy to hear that testing has been going on for a while now. Of course, it has to start with the vehicles just crawling through the course, then add speed, then add the stops/timing, then spinning, etc. Everything is going really well, and the park & designers couldn't be more pleased, from what I've heard! Second, the facade is starting to really look good! Most of the large, approximately 25ft columns are already finished completely with the faux marbling and everything. If anyone is in the park this weekend, you'll notice that some of the paint has run down the facade in a couple places on the front entrance part. Luckily, this was just the base layer and had been painted yesterday morning before the torrential downpours started. I passed the paint crews as they were headed out of the park at around 10:00am. Still, the facade is perfectly on schedule, even with the rainy days here and there. I wanted to say thanks for all the updates. It's really nice of you to keep us all posted. I'm pretty stoked to ride Justice League, and it's cool to hear that things are coming along well.
pixelated85 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Injunjoe ...I worked at SFOMA from 75 through 79 in the Animations Department. The original scenes and animation were designed and built by Sid and Marty Kroft. I helped build some the pieces in the Time Tunnel- those pieces were made entirely in-house. I spend a lot of time in that building.. working and on firewatch. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. The building was the first building built on the park grounds. It was used as a carpenter shop and storage facility while the rest of the park was being built. I have pictures of it as the stand alone building.... Sorry for the double post- couldn't figure out how to do two quotes in one post. I would love to hear old stories about the park. I was born in '79 so It'd be cool to hear what it was like around that time.
InjunJoe Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Injunjoe ...I worked at SFOMA from 75 through 79 in the Animations Department. The original scenes and animation were designed and built by Sid and Marty Kroft. I helped build some the pieces in the Time Tunnel- those pieces were made entirely in-house. I spend a lot of time in that building.. working and on firewatch. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. The building was the first building built on the park grounds. It was used as a carpenter shop and storage facility while the rest of the park was being built. I have pictures of it as the stand alone building.... Wow! I have a 101 questions. I don't want to scare you off so I'll just start off with a couple. Do you have any pictures from the original ride? Do you remember each seen and their order? Unfortunately I was 8 years old when they switched over to Time Tunnel. I can recall some scenes and that's it. I know it started with the frogs and Becky, I remember the skeleton in the canoe right before the lift, Injun Joe hanging from the cliff and the coming home scene. That's about it. I've always wanted to recreate the ride in a 3d gaming engine but there's so little information out there, there's no way to even begin a project. I finally got a layout of the track from the Scooby Rde so at least I have that now. Do you recall what music was used? I heard somewhere they used Moody Blues tunes but there's no way I remember. Actually I think you and I started to have this exact same conversation on another board about 7 or 8 years ago but you never posted again after I asked question. Lol. Thank you for anything new you can add to my memories. Edited May 11, 2015 by InjunJoe
InjunJoe Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I've actually went as far as building a version of the ride in Minecraft. Of course it's not accurate but it's pretty close. I'll see if I get some pictures up from it.
TexasParkman Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I don't want to hog the board.... the scenes in exact order .... Lilly pad with singing Frogs and a male and female alligator bowing Injun Joe digging up a grave to retrieve the treasure Muff Potter kneeling down over the treasure chest and injun Joe stabbing him in the back- Tom and Becky watched from the other side of the trough Bats, A canoeing Chief skeleton and a chief with a robe closed by folded arms. On a timer the arms would unfold the robe to display his skeleton form with a loin cloth only.- The lift up and over the pumps Injun Joe falling off the cliff with Tom and Becky look on a dark room with glowing shifting eyes- Tom says "Becky look it is a raft- were saved!" the final scene with Tom and Becky on a raft coming out of the cave- a riverboat in the distance with a turning paddle wheel and a house with a front porch with Aunt Polly waving a handkerchief. There was a big barking dog next to Aunt Polly with a waging tail. Note: we could not keep a handkerchief in Aunt Polly's hand because guests would get out of the boat and steal it. Like once a week...
InjunJoe Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I don't want to hog the board.... the scenes in exact order .... Lilly pad with singing Frogs and a male and female alligator bowing Injun Joe digging up a grave to retrieve the treasure Muff Potter kneeling down over the treasure chest and injun Joe stabbing him in the back- Tom and Becky watched from the other side of the trough Bats, A canoeing Chief skeleton and a chief with a robe closed by folded arms. On a timer the arms would unfold the robe to display his skeleton form with a loin cloth only.- The lift up and over the pumps Injun Joe falling off the cliff with Tom and Becky look on a dark room with glowing shifting eyes- Tom says "Becky look it is a raft- were saved!" the final scene with Tom and Becky on a raft coming out of the cave- a riverboat in the distance with a turning paddle wheel and a house with a front porch with Aunt Polly waving a handkerchief. There was a big barking dog next to Aunt Polly with a waging tail. Note: we could not keep a handkerchief in Aunt Polly's hand because guests would get out of the boat and steal it. Like once a week... This is amazing. I've been trying to get something like this for years. Thank you! Where was Tom and Becky riding turtles in there? I wish I could remember the Indian Chief but it's a big blur. I remember the arms opening and the skeleton underneath. Do you have any idea what they did with all of this stuff when they switched over to Time Tunnel? I'm going to be bummed if they just trashed all of it.
cfc Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Note: we could not keep a handkerchief in Aunt Polly's hand because guests would get out of the boat and steal it. Like once a week... People . . .
InjunJoe Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Lol. I was never brave enough to get out of the boat.
MisterP Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Man, I'm loving all this talk about Injun Joe's Cave. What memories. I think my parents brought us out there the first year or two it opened. I was afraid of Injun Joe's Cave for a few years, but by around 1975, I was going on it. Between that and the amazing Krofft Puppet Theater shows, Six Flags had such a cool 70s theme vibe to it. As someone who watched the Krofft shows like HR Pufnstuf and Sigmund & the Seamonsters, the whole post-psychedelic, dayglow look to those attractions just fascinated my young 6 year old self. Throw into the mix the Adventures on the Mississippi ride, the Tiltmore Hotel fun house walkthrough, and themed dual-track mine train, Six Flags just had such an old west, adventurous, slightly scary feel (to a little kid) that I couldn't get enough of. Those early years at Six Flags are why I am obsessed with Disney parks and highly themed attractions in general. And the groovy 70s was in full effect as well with the puppet show and the shop across from it called 'Its a Mod, Mod, Mod Whirl', which specialized in totally groovy gear for the kids (I remember it featuring many blacklight posters....and a Richard Nixon mask sticks out in my mind....for some reason ). Other things that stuck out were smell of the creosote (railroad ties) around the park, especially near the mine train, and the soundtrack aroound the park (I remember the theme from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly being a popular tune heard). My favorite memory of Injun Joe's Cave was at the very beginning of the where you go from the lighted cue into a very small cavern of almost complete darkness, then you start to hear crickets, then you see these flourescent frogs signing. What a great beginning... Edited May 12, 2015 by MisterP
ChrisGraslie Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Was anyone able to snag a pic of the Hall of Justice this past weekend? I'm curious as to how it looks
ThemeParkJunkie51290 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Was anyone able to snag a pic of the Hall of Justice this past weekend? I'm curious as to how it looks I'm curious as well.
InjunJoe Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Man, I'm loving all this talk about Injun Joe's Cave. What memories. I think my parents brought us out there the first year or two it opened. I was afraid of Injun Joe's Cave for a few years, but by around 1975, I was going on it. Between that and the amazing Krofft Puppet Theater shows, Six Flags had such a cool 70s theme vibe to it. As someone who watched the Krofft shows like HR Pufnstuf and Sigmund & the Seamonsters, the whole post-psychedelic, dayglow look to those attractions just fascinated my young 6 year old self. Throw into the mix the Adventures on the Mississippi ride, the Tiltmore Hotel fun house walkthrough, and themed dual-track mine train, Six Flags just had such an old west, adventurous, slightly scary feel (to a little kid) that I couldn't get enough of. Those early years at Six Flags are why I am obsessed with Disney parks and highly themed attractions in general. And the groovy 70s was in full effect as well with the puppet show and the shop across from it called 'Its a Mod, Mod, Mod Whirl', which specialized in totally groovy gear for the kids (I remember it featuring many blacklight posters....and a Richard Nixon mask sticks out in my mind....for some reason ). Other things that stuck out were smell of the creosote (railroad ties) around the park, especially near the mine train, and the soundtrack aroound the park (I remember the theme from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly being a popular tune heard). My favorite memory of Injun Joe's Cave was at the very beginning of the where you go from the lighted cue into a very small cavern of almost complete darkness, then you start to hear crickets, then you see these flourescent frogs signing. What a great beginning... I was and am a huge Krofft fan. The Krofft pupet theater was amazing. It's to bad they don't have anything of that caliber show wise any longer. I also miss the Chevy Show. That was so much fun. I really don't understand why they shut it down. With Technology today they could get away with that for a few hundred bucks worth of digital projection equipment. That's funny you brought up The Mississippi Adventure and Tiltmore. Those were my 2nd and 3rd favorite things after Injun Joe's. The park in the 70's may not have had all the coasters but it had a special feel to it that it no longer has if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, I still love the park and enjoy taking my kids but man if I they could have rode the Cave, the boats and experienced Tiltmore and The Puppet theater they would be amazed. Edited to add. Does anyone remember the magic shop across from the entrance to the Mine Train? That place was amazing. They sold latex masks and all kinds of neat stuff. I remember a guy slipping on an old man mask and it looking 100% realistic. I miss that shop.
brneff99 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I grew up in the Midwest and going to SFStL and KI each Summer...you all are really bringing back some memories...! I was going to add the Rivers of the Mississippi boat ride as one of my favorites...I remember the section where the Indians in the canoe came out from behind the trees or bushes as you passed and being pretty freaked out as a child...Quick ?...did these attractions just get dated or did the age of PC end them? I do remember the magic shop as well as the Old Barrel ride...I also remember the Summer that SE opened and that you had to wait in line to get your hand stamped with a time that then allowed you to wait in line at that time of day...craziness in this day and age. I got the chance to take my kids to the park several years ago and while we had a great time, its certainly not the same park from the late 70s...
ArizonaGuy Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Was anyone able to snag a pic of the Hall of Justice this past weekend? I'm curious as to how it looks I'm curious as well. I'm sure if someone had a picture they would have posted it. Stop with the useless thread bumping already.
InjunJoe Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I grew up in the Midwest and going to SFStL and KI each Summer...you all are really bringing back some memories...! I was going to add the Rivers of the Mississippi boat ride as one of my favorites...I remember the section where the Indians in the canoe came out from behind the trees or bushes as you passed and being pretty freaked out as a child...Quick ?...did these attractions just get dated or did the age of PC end them? I do remember the magic shop as well as the Old Barrel ride...I also remember the Summer that SE opened and that you had to wait in line to get your hand stamped with a time that then allowed you to wait in line at that time of day...craziness in this day and age. I got the chance to take my kids to the park several years ago and while we had a great time, its certainly not the same park from the late 70s... Maybe this will bring back some memories for you.
InjunJoe Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 ^^^ Wow...well done...and thanks!!! You're welcome! I have a bunch of old school pictures I can share.
ArizonaGuy Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Wow. Those are some pretty cool pictures. Where in the park was this attraction? And what was it replaced with, if anything?
InjunJoe Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Wow. Those are some pretty cool pictures. Where in the park was this attraction? And what was it replaced with, if anything? They removed it for Thunder River. The entrance was right across from Scooby Doo where the entrance to Mr. Freeze is now. It was a really cool ride. It was a full sized boat that held a good number of people. There was an employee up front on a microphone telling you a story as it went along. There were animatronics and stuff in some of the scenes. At the end there was a cannon shooting at you causing the water to spray way up into the air simulating cannon balls hitting the water. So much fun.
ThemeParkJunkie51290 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Was anyone able to snag a pic of the Hall of Justice this past weekend? I'm curious as to how it looks I'm curious as well. I'm sure if someone had a picture they would have posted it. Stop with the useless thread bumping already. Yes sir! LOL.
Vonni Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 ^^ Actually the old entrance is still there! It is what used to be Villains Café, and is now the Sports Bar (I don't know what the Sports Bar's name is). Thank you for sharing all of those awesome old pics! Keep 'em coming!
TexasParkman Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Wow Injun Joe you are jogging my memories... As I was an animations Mechanic I spent the OTHER half my time on the River. One of my many tasks was to change out the propane bottles that provided fuel for the cannons on the Fort. Once every 3 days or so. The manifold that mixed the propane had a valve to control the amount of propane dispersed into the explosion chamber- basically a metal tube with a spark plug. The solenoid opens- allows a amount of propane to enter the chamber and then the controller sends a electric burst to the spark plug. The plug ignites the propane and boom- flash. The amount of propane released by the valve controls the amount of BOOM and Flame. If you set it too low- the cannon goes "poof"- then smoke but no flame. If you make a mistake- this may or may not have happened to me- and set the valve too high... KAABOOOM! followed by a 4 foot flame on each cannon ( and a call from Merchandising that the cannon explosions were rattling windows all over the Park). A standard boom had guests in the Riverboat laughing and kind of semi-ducking. When you turn up the manifold valve- every guest hit the deck!!! It sounded like a Battleship bombarding an island!!!. good times... good times...
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