KingRCT3 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Hi everybody! I'm wondering something since last summer, and I want to hear your opinion about it.. Am I the only one to prefer Vekoma's corkscrews rather than B&M's? Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy riding a B&M since riding a Vekoma is usually painfull.. But there's one inversion I was dreading when I rode some B&M loopers last summer (Kraken, Hulk, Dragon Challenge) ; the corkscrews. What's bothering me is the sneak roll at the top, when Vekoma's one are rounder. In the other hand, when most of Vekoma's inversions aren't interesting since they don't provide any good floatingtime, their corkscrews are above average. I know you can't really compare those two things, as the experiences inside a Vekoma or a B&M are totally differents.. As I said elsewhere, you have to be awake anytime in a Vekoma, and anticipate all the pumps, when inside a B&M you can nearly take a nap as it's really smooth and comfy, yet forceful. So I'm crazy or..? (By the way, sorry for my English..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxman47 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 real B&M corkscrews (the interlocking type, etc.) don't really do much for me. On their inverts I believe they call them "wing-overs" and these are more forceful but can bash your head if you're not prepared for them especially on some of the older coasters like Batman. I also actually prefer the Arrow/Vekoma type corkscrews, which I've found to give a good sense of hangtime and have a certain elegance to them due to their simple but perfect geometric shape (yes....I just called a Vekoma "elegant" lol) I do LOVE me some B&M zero-g rolls, however (be it on inverts, floorless, etc.) Those are probably my favorite inversions of all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XYZ Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I never been on a Vekoma corkscrew before as there really aren't any Vekoma corkscrews here in CA (correct me if I'm wrong), though I have been on both Arrow & B&M corkscrews. They really are different and good in both ways. The Arrow corkscrew has the nice slow moving sensation and you feel like flying, especially on the double corkscrew. The B&M corkscrew is nice of how it manuevers in the 4-abreast seating as the outer seats is like you're being flung over. I slightly prefer the B&M corkscrew, but the Arrow/Vekoma corkscrew is still really nice and I don't think you're insane in thinking that it is better than the B&M corkscrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasbron Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I actually really don't like B and M's corkscrews. There is too much lateral movement at the apex of the element. Arrow and Vekoma shape theirs much more in line and I think its much more comfortable. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I find B&M corkscrews more jerky and more painful than Arrow corkscrews. My slogan for most B&M loopers is "After the brakerun, everything goes wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDCOASTERFAN Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 real B&M corkscrews (the interlocking type, etc.) don't really do much for me. On their inverts I believe they call them "wing-overs" and these are more forceful but can bash your head if you're not prepared for them especially on some of the older coasters like Batman. I also actually prefer the Arrow/Vekoma type corkscrews, which I've found to give a good sense of hangtime and have a certain elegance to them due to their simple but perfect geometric shape (yes....I just called a Vekoma "elegant" lol) I do LOVE me some B&M zero-g rolls, however (be it on inverts, floorless, etc.) Those are probably my favorite inversions of all Forsome reason I'm finding the flat spins on Dominator to be among the roughest parts of the ride lately,my guess is that KD isn't doing much to maintain the whhels or their spacing in recent years.Anaconda on the otherhand takes it's corckscrews so slowly that it's painful because you're being thrown around in the restraint a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
154bmag Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 B&M corkscrews aren't really painful in my opinion, but not enjoyable. They are different then an Arrow or Vekoma in their desgin. I haven't been on a Vekoma with a corkscrew, but I've heard that Arrow and Vekoma's corkscrews aren't too different from each other. If that's true, then I would say Vekoma would be a bit more enjoyable, (if it's smooth) I've been on smooth Arrow corkscrews that I find them to be very fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 For most enthusiasts complaining about how all the recent B&M's are "forceless," I'm shocked with these responses. I've always found the "whip" at the top of B&M corkscrews to be far more intense and fun then gliding through the perfectly rounded arrow/vekoma corkscrews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yeti Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think it really depends on the B&M coaster as to how much I like the corkscrew, but I wouldn't call any of them rough by any means. I probably do enjoy their inverted coaster's corkscrews more than a normal sit down coaster - and I can't wait to try out a wing rider! Some of their corkscrews do have a bit of a snap, but I would say that's more fun that trying to keep your head still for a whole corkscrew. I will ride pretty much any Arrow or Vekoma looper out there...they're fun, but they're generally not smooth. With Vekoma's new track maybe they can produce a smoother corkscrew? Bringing Intamin into this...Maverick has two of my favorite corkscrews, if those in the horseshoe element count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okinawaboy11 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 For most enthusiasts complaining about how all the recent B&M's are "forceless," I'm shocked with these responses. I've always found the "whip" at the top of B&M corkscrews to be far more intense and fun then gliding through the perfectly rounded arrow/vekoma corkscrews. I agree with this. While I enjoy both B&M "flatspins" and Vekoma/Arrow corkscrews, they both have their own plus's. The lateral jerk on Dominator's flatspins get me every time. Is the second half of that ride getting a little rough? Yes; but nothing compared to any old school looper. Then there's Arrow/Vekoma corkscrews, which have that awesome, slow hangtime which I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
australianalex Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 What about Intamin corkscrews? They seem quite similar to B&M ones and Ive heard they're quite rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double0Kevin Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I have absolutely no problem with Wing-overs, they never really bother me. B&M Corkscrews or "Flat-spins" as B&M calls em are pretty temperamental. Medusa at SFDK, smooth as glass, no problem. Vortex at CGA, Riddler and Scream at SFMM, Mantis, Dominator at KD all pretty much suck when it comes to corkscrews. My extent with Vekoma corkscrews are the halves in the cobra roll of a boomerang, but those are pretty unpleasant. Arrows are also hit or miss, Both Demons (CGA and SFGAm) are great, but Vortex at KI, Viper at SFMM and Anaconda at KD all beat the crap out of me. Bottom line, I'm not a fan of corkscrews in general so gimme a loop or zero-g roll any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear92 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 What about Intamin corkscrews? They seem quite similar to B&M ones and Ive heard they're quite rough. Intamin ones are largely the same, they're just taken at a way higher speed so the whole thing is very quick, hence the roughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenbowl Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I love the Invert corkscrews on B&Ms. Especially rides like Flight Deck at CGA and the Batmans. The floorless and other non-inverts are alright to me, not my fav element, but I enjoy them, I don't see why everybody's bagging on them. I also find that arrow corkscrew are very fluid and smooth because there's no transitions in them, but I prefer B&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Farmer Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 For most enthusiasts complaining about how all the recent B&M's are "forceless," I'm shocked with these responses. I've always found the "whip" at the top of B&M corkscrews to be far more intense and fun then gliding through the perfectly rounded arrow/vekoma corkscrews. This. Kite flying or knitting might be better suited hobbies once B&M coasters are too rough. It's especially hilarious when the complaints are concerning their non-looping lapbar only coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Nobody said B&M's are too rough. I've just pointed out that the shaping they took for their corkscrews bothered me. I'd rather like to ride a rollercoaster with hands-up 'cause I know the whole layout will flow, than hold the harness tight the whole time, fearing a unexpected snap. I like forcefull rides as well, but laterals are not my friends. This lead me to a conclusion that everybody have a different conception about what's a good coaster. When I see french people enjoying Goudurix (ultra-dupa rough Vekoma multi-looper) because "it shacks your ass off and that's awesome!", I made a face, but meh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Farmer Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Nobody said B&M's are too rough. I've just pointed out that the shaping they took for their corkscrews bothered me. You haven't, many have. Every message board seems to have a few that make outrageous claims like this. Didn't mean to make it read like I was directing that at you. Edited March 22, 2012 by Ed Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I was speaking for all the people who posted on this thread. They only agree with me (or not, but nobody said that here). Sorry for the confusion. So you said some guys actually said B&Ms were really rough? Oh man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'd rather like to ride a rollercoaster with hands-up 'cause I know the whole layout will flow, than hold the harness tight the whole time, fearing a unexpected snap. Amen. Just wondering, is there a reason why corkscrews in general are (usually) the most jerky elements in a coaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDCOASTERFAN Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I love the Invert corkscrews on B&Ms. Especially rides like Flight Deck at CGA and the Batmans. The floorless and other non-inverts are alright to me, not my fav element, but I enjoy them, I don't see why everybody's bagging on them. I also find that arrow corkscrew are very fluid and smooth because there's no transitions in them, but I prefer B&M. I wouldn't be bagging on it if they'd fix Dominator's 2nd half....now Afterburn's wingover was enjoyable but then again what part of that ride isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'd rather like to ride a rollercoaster with hands-up 'cause I know the whole layout will flow, than hold the harness tight the whole time, fearing a unexpected snap. Amen. Just wondering, is there a reason why corkscrews in general are (usually) the most jerky elements in a coaster? Would assume because corkscrews involve much more lateral force than most inversions do . . . that being said I prefer the B&M sneak roll in the corkscrews and am sad to see it getting tamer as the years go by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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