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P. 766: Haunt Has Risen from the Grave

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Kings Dominion does not need an airtime machine. Their last coaster addition provided guests with some of the best 'ejector' pops of air of any coaster out there. Yeah, no rattle either - still one of the smoothest coasters I've been on 5.5 seasons later.

 

The land clearing was probably for the fireworks... they do this quite often as they have to keep the area back there 100% dirt to prevent anything from catching on fire. Move along there will be nothing back there for 2016 obviously and they are certainly not going to begin work on a 2017 project before they start the 2016 project.

Canada wonderland got a giga 2 years after kd and next year they're supposed to get something big. Either cedar fair is playing favorites or they just don't care about their parks.

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Kings Dominion does not need an airtime machine. Their last coaster addition provided guests with some of the best 'ejector' pops of air of any coaster out there. Yeah, no rattle either - still one of the smoothest coasters I've been on 5.5 seasons later.

 

The land clearing was probably for the fireworks... they do this quite often as they have to keep the area back there 100% dirt to prevent anything from catching on fire. Move along there will be nothing back there for 2016 obviously and they are certainly not going to begin work on a 2017 project before they start the 2016 project.

Canada wonderland got a giga 2 years after kd and next year they're supposed to get something big. Either cedar fair is playing favorites or they just don't care about their parks.

 

Or CW gets more guest then any seasonal park in the chain and KD is in the middle of the pack with Carowinds, GCA, and Dorney.

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Kings Dominion does not need an airtime machine. Their last coaster addition provided guests with some of the best 'ejector' pops of air of any coaster out there. Yeah, no rattle either - still one of the smoothest coasters I've been on 5.5 seasons later.

 

The land clearing was probably for the fireworks... they do this quite often as they have to keep the area back there 100% dirt to prevent anything from catching on fire. Move along there will be nothing back there for 2016 obviously and they are certainly not going to begin work on a 2017 project before they start the 2016 project.

Canada wonderland got a giga 2 years after kd and next year they're supposed to get something big. Either cedar fair is playing favorites or they just don't care about their parks.

 

Or CW gets more guest then any seasonal park in the chain and KD is in the middle of the pack with Carowinds, GCA, and Dorney.

Both of you provide valid points; while KD is far from the largest in the chain, 6+ years between coasters, even after Intimidator 305, is quite a distance for a park of its size. Since a four-or-five year interval is typical for Cedar Fair parks of its size, we would have expected a coaster in '14 or this year. However, since it's a slim possibility that a coaster is happening in 2016, it does lead to some questions regarding CF's treatment of the park. Cedar Fair considers their parks to be divided into three "tiers" based upon attendance:

Tier I (3M+ annual visitors): KBF, C.W., CP, KI

Tier II (1.5M-3M annual visitors): CW, KD, DPWWK, CGA

Tier III (Under 1.5M annual visitors): VF, WoF, MA

In order of attendance from most to least (Disclaimer: coasters of any size, coaster conversions, and relocations count as a new credit with most credit counters, so therefore they count as a new addition. If you say I'm unfair, I'd easily count Dominator as "newest coaster addition" if not for I305.):

1. Knott's Berry Farm - newest coaster addition 2013 (Coast Rider)

2. Canada's Wonderland - newest coaster addition 2014 (Wonder Mountain's Guardian) (Triotechs with coaster track count )

3. Cedar Point - newest coaster addition 2016 (Valravn)* or 2015 (Rougarou)

4. Kings Island - newest coaster addition 2014 (Banshee)

5. Carowinds** - newest coaster addition 2015 (Fury 325)

6. Kings Dominion - newest coaster addition 2010 (Intimidator 305)

7. Dorney Park and Wildwater Kingdom - newest coaster addition 2012 (Stinger)

8. California's Great America** - newest coaster addition 2016 (Vortex Conversion)* or 2013 (Gold Striker)

9. Valleyfair** - newest coaster addition 2011 (Cosmic Coaster)

10. Worlds of Fun - newest coaster addition 2009 (Prowler)

11. Michigan's Adventure - newest coaster addition 2008 (Thunderhawk)

*Denotes an unconfirmed but heavily rumored addition

**Denotes a park specifically targeted for growth potential by Cedar Fair

One park in Tier II sticks out like a sore thumb (and no, it's not Dorney, sorry to disappoint the satirists).

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Kings Dominion does not need an airtime machine. Their last coaster addition provided guests with some of the best 'ejector' pops of air of any coaster out there. Yeah, no rattle either - still one of the smoothest coasters I've been on 5.5 seasons later.

Floater air is a completely different experience than ejector air. They are not the same at all.

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^ Obviously... Just saying not every park needs a floater airtime machine to be considered a good park, especially a park that put in a ride with good airtime as their last coaster.

I think the park's lineup could use several other things before that. Would I take it and be happy? Yes, but I'm not one to bring it up on a weekly basis saying how much the park needs it unlike some people.

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Kings Dominion does not need an airtime machine. Their last coaster addition provided guests with some of the best 'ejector' pops of air of any coaster out there. Yeah, no rattle either - still one of the smoothest coasters I've been on 5.5 seasons later.

 

The land clearing was probably for the fireworks... they do this quite often as they have to keep the area back there 100% dirt to prevent anything from catching on fire. Move along there will be nothing back there for 2016 obviously and they are certainly not going to begin work on a 2017 project before they start the 2016 project.

Canada wonderland got a giga 2 years after kd and next year they're supposed to get something big. Either cedar fair is playing favorites or they just don't care about their parks.

 

Or CW gets more guest then any seasonal park in the chain and KD is in the middle of the pack with Carowinds, GCA, and Dorney.

Both of you provide valid points; while KD is far from the largest in the chain, 6+ years between coasters, even after Intimidator 305, is quite a distance for a park of its size. Since a four-or-five year interval is typical for Cedar Fair parks of its size, we would have expected a coaster in '14 or this year. However, since it's a slim possibility that a coaster is happening in 2016, it does lead to some questions regarding CF's treatment of the park. Cedar Fair considers their parks to be divided into three "tiers" based upon attendance:

Tier I (3M+ annual visitors): KBF, C.W., CP, KI

Tier II (1.5M-3M annual visitors): CW, KD, DPWWK, CGA

Tier III (Under 1.5M annual visitors): VF, WoF, MA

In order of attendance from most to least (Disclaimer: coasters of any size, coaster conversions, and relocations count as a new credit with most credit counters, so therefore they count as a new addition. If you say I'm unfair, I'd easily count Dominator as "newest coaster addition" if not for I305.):

1. Knott's Berry Farm - newest coaster addition 2013 (Coast Rider)

2. Canada's Wonderland - newest coaster addition 2014 (Wonder Mountain's Guardian) (Triotechs with coaster track count )

3. Cedar Point - newest coaster addition 2016 (Valravn)* or 2015 (Rougarou)

4. Kings Island - newest coaster addition 2014 (Banshee)

5. Carowinds** - newest coaster addition 2015 (Fury 325)

6. Kings Dominion - newest coaster addition 2010 (Intimidator 305)

7. Dorney Park and Wildwater Kingdom - newest coaster addition 2012 (Stinger)

8. California's Great America** - newest coaster addition 2016 (Vortex Conversion)* or 2013 (Gold Striker)

9. Valleyfair** - newest coaster addition 2011 (Cosmic Coaster)

10. Worlds of Fun - newest coaster addition 2009 (Prowler)

11. Michigan's Adventure - newest coaster addition 2008 (Thunderhawk)

*Denotes an unconfirmed but heavily rumored addition

**Denotes a park specifically targeted for growth potential by Cedar Fair

One park in Tier II sticks out like a sore thumb (and no, it's not Dorney, sorry to disappoint the satirists).

 

Imo they shouldn't add a new ride because of how much attendants they get a year. The rides should be able to attract the attendants. for example look at carowinds, they got fury 325 and before they got it people didn't know about the damn park. and lets say valleyfair got a 350ft tall b&m giga, a stratacoaster as tall as top thrill dragster, and a huge rmc hybrid, we all know that would attract a lot of people and the amount of attendance would go up a lot. No wonder why valleyfair, Michigan adventure, and worlds of fun have are at the low tier, its because cedar fair doesn't wanna experiment each park. They do have potential, its just cedar fair is playing favorites.

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^ Obviously... Just saying not every park needs a floater airtime machine to be considered a good park, especially a park that put in a ride with good airtime as their last coaster.

You still aren't getting it. They did not put in a ride with good floater air as their last coaster, or any other coaster for that matter. You are still trying to compare floater air with ejector air and that's just not possible. The only similarities between the two are the word, "air."

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No wonder why valleyfair, Michigan adventure, and worlds of fun have are at the low tier, its because cedar fair doesn't wanna experiment each park. They do have potential, its just cedar fair is playing favorites.

 

Or they don't have the market to sustain growth? Sure the first year or two you'll see big jumps in attendance, but what about after?

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No wonder why valleyfair, Michigan adventure, and worlds of fun have are at the low tier, its because cedar fair doesn't wanna experiment each park. They do have potential, its just cedar fair is playing favorites.

 

Or they don't have the market to sustain growth? Sure the first year or two you'll see big jumps in attendance, but what about after?

 

Kings Dominion is well visited enough though.

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Did I mention Kings Dominion? No I did not. I would assume that Cedar Fair has been happy with Kings Dominion's attendance, and therefore not needed to make a huge capital investment to keep attendance afloat. The whole business about "playing favorites" is idiotic. Kings Dominion was pretty well stacked when it came to rides while parks like Carowinds and Canada's Wonderland were well behind for their market potential a few years ago. Now I'd say they are all closer to being on equal footing.

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^ Just stating my opinion. Especially when you ride ones like Intimidator down at Carowinds when the ride has been trimmed to death and doesn't necessarily 'get going' until it warms up. Many times during (most obvious in the early spring and fall) these rides simply go over the hills without much air at all.

 

And to be honest on the whole ejector/floater debate, to the GP they are both nothing but your "butt coming out of the seat".

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^ Just stating my opinion. Especially when you ride ones like Intimidator down at Carowinds when the ride has been trimmed to death and doesn't necessarily 'get going' until it warms up. Many times during (most obvious in the early spring and fall) these rides simply go over the hills without much air at all.

You think i305 has better floater air than i232? This isn't about which is the better ride (i305, imo).

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^ I232 is hit or miss with its airtime so I really can't say. Years ago, I sometimes would get a good ride on 232 but haven't in a long time due to those trims. So lately, yes I'd argue 305's floater air is better than 232's in the fact that it has 2 good floater hills when 232 crawls over most of its hills.

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I wouldn't call this bickering... I think it's refreshing to see and participate in discussion about something other than the ordinary "it's not fair KD isn't getting a coaster" conversation.

 

On the topic of new additions though, I've seen the rumor of August 20th possibly being the announcement date. Don't mark my words, but it's something to consider and keep an eye on. KD is known for oddball out of nowhere announcements, so there's a chance it could pop up unannounced.

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I don't see any KD-no-airtime complainers mentioning the park just lost a bunch with Shockwave. I guess you actually would have to ride it. I saw the Darkwave for the first time last night and was sad a moment. Then went back to my ride.

 

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The ideas that KD will put another coaster in even further from a bathroom than I305 is extremely unlikely. It looks like to me the boundaries of the park have been established in a way that does not require a transportation system. It certainly doesn't appear that I305 was added with any thought to putting something else over there. They knew the clock was running down on too many coasters. There's is maybe a possibility of moving one in the process of replacement, but I can't see space available that's better than where they already are.

 

1. What will KD lose with Shockwave? It was boring, painful, and had horrible operations.

 

2. KD does need an airtime machine.

 

3. Why would they start to clear a big portion of land if they are not using it for an eventual coaster? Unless they are bringing back the safari.

 

I doubt they are putting a coaster in Shockwave's spot, unless it's a junior invert.

 

1a) reading comprehension, I said one thing we're losing is airtime in the post which you replied to.

1b) don't interpret this as "bring back Shockwave" but we don't know yet if anything better will replace it. As I liked the ride, while almost any new coaster would be an improvement, I can't think of any other kind of ride that wouldn't be a let down.

1c) I'm just really sick of coaster hate, that someone would get emotional satisfaction from seeing a ride close or be torn down, without any consideration of people that like it, that it still helps your park visit by occupying people, and just being an expression of being unappreciative and jaded.

 

2) KD has a lot of airtime in many different forms. It gained one of the rarest kinds with I305, extreme ejector, but has been whittling away at airtime elsewhere with the braking of Hurler and closing of Shockwave. It could be argued it doesn't need extended floater air or an airtime specialist, or with that much air it's only one step from having all types represented.

 

Either way, airtime is an example of the "funny math" that occurs when comparing KD with other parks, that might even be helped (in some people's minds only) by closing some coasters, and definitely by replacing some. The airtime at BGW is easier to calculate and more obvious, but no way is the total greater than KD with over twice the coasters.

 

3)I don't know why they're clearing land but I can see only one way a coaster's going back there: if the entrance can be located within the current borders. For example, a launch coaster with the bulk of it further away, like FoF's layout. Even then, probably would call for the removal of Anaconda (more ride replacement).

 

I think the reason we're going so long between coasters is this shift towards coaster replacement, both inevitable and desirable. That and I305 being such a big one, advanced probably 1-2 years early, and the park really needing other improvements, not yet complete but getting there.

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