The New B&M Patent

[Rolo]

Hey everyone!

 

Have a look at this...could this be the new B&M product they are supposed to unveil this year?

 

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?KC=T&date=20080515&NR=392242T&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=AT&FT=D

 

The roller coaster vehicles comprise a first part (4) connected to the rails (2,2') so as to be able to be moved along the circuit. A second part (13) has the passenger seats (14) assembled on it. The second part is assembled on the first part by means of a slewing ring (12) which allows the second part to rotate on itself. In the passenger boarding platform the track plane composed by the rails forms transversely angle ( alpha ) relative to the horizontal such that after the vehicle second part has rotated bout 90o the plane of the passengers' backs is vertical.

 

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ALTERNATE EXPLANATION BY TPR MEMBER GAV

I have seen this patent before, its not a spinning or 4d flying coaster or anything cool like that unfortunately. Its just a 'normal' flying coaster.

 

Essentially it is just an alternative method for loading flying coasters, instead of those lifting bars in the station the cars just rotate 90 degrees on a sideways section of track.

 

If you translate the description the key points are:

In a form derived from this kind of suspended roller coaster, passengers make the journey along the circuit, back willing substantially parallel to the track consists of track. In this installation, passengers do not see the rails and their view is not blocked by other vehicles. They somehow feel robbed. Such facilities are described in U.S. patent No. U.S. 5,979,333 and in publications of international patent applications our WO 99/22829 and WO 99/22830. In order to easily embark and disembark passengers, the seats of these facilities are arranged in order to switch from an initial position, while embarking or disembarking, in which passengers are willing back substantially perpendicular to the track , To a second position, they retain all along the route, and where those passengers back substantially prepared alongside the track. These facilities and mechanisms require relatively heavy for the changeover of seats, actuators such mechanisms being subjected to considerable strain.

 

But most importantly:

The object of this invention is to provide a suspended roller coaster in which passengers can make the journey along the circuit with the back substantially prepared alongside the track, but more simple mechanisms for the embarkation and disembarkation of passengers being less cumbersome to achieve.

 

So the advantages are:

Such a construction presents the advantage of being much easier to achieve than that required for the changeover facilities known. On the other hand, it will embark and disembark passengers at the dock in parallel rather than perpendicular to the wharf, shortening the time of detention of trains at stations of embarkation and disembarkation.

 

Seems like a nice idea, It could help reduce the costs of flying coasters, since the mechanical requirements are simplified, plus it helps speed up loading. I'll be interested to see whether they actually adopt this system, or are just holding onto the patent to stop another manufacturer attempting this style of system.

 

It is just a mechanically simplified method for loading flying coasters.

Normally with flying coasters the seats swing back and get locked in place (or in the case of a Vekoma, they recline back)

The disadvantage of this arrangement is that you need heavy duty (expensive) hydraulics swinging the seats back into the flying position.

 

What this patent does is just has the groups of seats on a rotating ring (A bit like what is used on a spinning coaster) so that way, you can do away with the troublesome hydraulics, and just have a simple electric motor.

 

The track in the station isn't inverted like on a normal B&M flyer, but is actually sideways. So when a train full of riders comes back to the station they would all be lying on their sides, but to unload the group of seats rotate 90 degrees, which would turn the riders 'straight' again. You would then disembark by walking away from the track.

In this arrangement the station would only be one sided.

 

When the train is ready to be dispatched the seats would spin 90 degrees, get locked in that position, and away you go.

The only place the seats will spin is in the station.

[spacemtfan]

Whoa. It looks pretty cool! A B&M 4-D coaster sounds like it would be better than X2, but I can't say that for sure just yet.

 

Now if only they would get around to building inverted roller coasters with sound systems in it.

[TPDave]

Hmmm, Fig. 5 in "Mosaics" suggests that the cars will rotate in a different axis to the Arrorw design...

 

Very interesting stuff

[King of Ka]

This is awesome! I've been hoping B&M or Intamin (especially B&M) would make a 4D, and I really look forward to seeing one of these in a park eventually.

 

Can anyone tell how this is going to work from the drawing/ description?Personally, I hope that it spins on a predetermined axis, I think B&M could make some incredible rides that way.

 

Either way, this is great.

 

EDIT: ^That's strange, I can't get to the Mosaics page.

[yankees15]

This is awesome! I can't wait till a park buys one of these coasters!!

[Rolo]

EDIT: ^That's strange, I can't get to the Mosaics page.

 

Try downloading the PDF..

[VegasCoaster]

To me this looks like a flyer that can rotate as it goes along the track. I think Arrow had a better concept for the 4D, but this could be fun. Doesn't seem like it would be as intense, though spinning through a zero g roll or a pretzel loop would probably be pretty interesting.

[Carnage]

It looks like the flyer train, except the cars can rotate in a circle?

 

I had trouble picturing how the rotation would work though ...

[robbalvey]

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?KC=T&date=20080515&NR=392242T&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=AT&FT=D

God I really hate it when someone posts NOTHING but a link.

 

Hey pal, GIVE US SOME INFORMATION!!!!

 

How about copy/pasting the text here or maybe posting the image.

 

In a day where there is so much spam and viruses on the internet, really just posting a link is not only completely lazy but also a bit dangerous.

 

I know if it were me I'm going to be a bit hesitant to click on something where the poster has only posted to the forum twice and one of his posts has nothing in the content other than the link.

 

That being said I've fixed the first post so it actually looks like something decent.

 

/end rant.

 

--Robb "Please try a bit harder when posting to the forums, thank you!" Alvey

[raptor6]

This is awesome! I've been hoping B&M or Intamin (especially B&M) would make a 4D, and I really look forward to seeing one of these in a park eventually.

 

Can anyone tell how this is going to work from the drawing/ description?Personally, I hope that it spins on a predetermined axis, I think B&M could make some incredible rides that way.

 

Either way, this is great.

 

EDIT: ^That's strange, I can't get to the Mosaics page.

 

Intamin already has a pseudo 4-D model, the Zac Spin, installed at several parks.

 

http://www.intaminworldwide.com/iag/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=32

[matteocrepaldi]

I just opened it a moment ago.

 

I have to see a model to better understand how it works. It looks more like a spinnig flying coaster than a 4d.

 

Maybe this works... LINK!

[SuperShawn]

I have to see a model to better understand how it works. It looks more like a spinnig flying coaster than a 4d.

 

That was my initial thought as well. Which would still have potential to make a pretty groovy ride experience , how ever I personally hope that when we do possibly see one of these built in the future, there are other dimensions of rotation, so as its not just different flying positions.

[Gav]

I have seen this patent before, its not a spinning or 4d flying coaster or anything cool like that unfortunately. Its just a 'normal' flying coaster.

 

Essentially it is just an alternative method for loading flying coasters, instead of those lifting bars in the station the cars just rotate 90 degrees on a sideways section of track.

 

If you translate the description the key points are:

In a form derived from this kind of suspended roller coaster, passengers make the journey along the circuit, back willing substantially parallel to the track consists of track. In this installation, passengers do not see the rails and their view is not blocked by other vehicles. They somehow feel robbed. Such facilities are described in U.S. patent No. U.S. 5,979,333 and in publications of international patent applications our WO 99/22829 and WO 99/22830. In order to easily embark and disembark passengers, the seats of these facilities are arranged in order to switch from an initial position, while embarking or disembarking, in which passengers are willing back substantially perpendicular to the track , To a second position, they retain all along the route, and where those passengers back substantially prepared alongside the track. These facilities and mechanisms require relatively heavy for the changeover of seats, actuators such mechanisms being subjected to considerable strain.

 

But most importantly:

The object of this invention is to provide a suspended roller coaster in which passengers can make the journey along the circuit with the back substantially prepared alongside the track, but more simple mechanisms for the embarkation and disembarkation of passengers being less cumbersome to achieve.

 

So the advantages are:

Such a construction presents the advantage of being much easier to achieve than that required for the changeover facilities known. On the other hand, it will embark and disembark passengers at the dock in parallel rather than perpendicular to the wharf, shortening the time of detention of trains at stations of embarkation and disembarkation.

 

Seems like a nice idea, It could help reduce the costs of flying coasters, since the mechanical requirements are simplified, plus it helps speed up loading. I'll be interested to see whether they actually adopt this system, or are just holding onto the patent to stop another manufacturer attempting this style of system.

[jedimaster1227]

For some further information regarding the new system, I'm attaching the other patent sketches below. Whatever this may be, whether a new B&M or a simplified loading system for its flying coaster, I'll post the photos attached to the patent.

[haux]

What the heck? It looks like some weird gimmick. You're flying sideways, then the track's sideways, and you're upright. I don't know if I approve. Why can't they just keep making normal coasters?

[Shavethewhales]

Well, it's interesting at least. I'm really just going to have to see it to understand though. Is the main idea that the cars spin around, or do they tilt, or both? It looks like a flying spinning coaster to me - which could very well be completely awesome. Very imaginative.

[King of Ka]

EDIT: ^That's strange, I can't get to the Mosaics page.

 

Try downloading the PDF..

 

Thanks, I missed that at first.

 

 

Intamin already has a pseudo 4-D model, the Zac Spin, installed at several parks.

 

Yeah, I guess I just meant a 4D with predetermined rotation (although the Zac Spins look awesome), along the lines of X.

[Gav]

I don't think you guys are understanding. It's not a flying spinning coaster.

 

It is just a mechanically simplified method for loading flying coasters.

Normally with flying coasters the seats swing back and get locked in place (or in the case of a Vekoma, they recline back)

The disadvantage of this arrangement is that you need heavy duty (expensive) hydraulics swinging the seats back into the flying position.

 

What this patent does is just has the groups of seats on a rotating ring (A bit like what is used on a spinning coaster) so that way, you can do away with the troublesome hydraulics, and just have a simple electric motor.

 

The track in the station isn't inverted like on a normal B&M flyer, but is actually sideways. So when a train full of riders comes back to the station they would all be lying on their sides, but to unload the group of seats rotate 90 degrees, which would turn the riders 'straight' again. You would then disembark by walking away from the track.

In this arrangement the station would only be one sided.

 

When the train is ready to be dispatched the seats would spin 90 degrees, get locked in that position, and away you go.

The only place the seats will spin is in the station.

[Wes]

I don't think you guys are understanding. It's not a flying spinning coaster.

 

It is just a mechanically simplified method for loading flying coasters.

Normally with flying coasters the seats swing back and get locked in place (or in the case of a Vekoma, they recline back)

The disadvantage of this arrangement is that you need heavy duty (expensive) hydraulics swinging the seats back into the flying position.

 

What this patent does is just has the groups of seats on a rotating ring (A bit like what is used on a spinning coaster) so that way, you can do away with the troublesome hydraulics, and just have a simple electric motor.

 

The track in the station isn't inverted like on a normal B&M flyer, but is actually sideways. So when a train full of riders comes back to the station they would all be lying on their sides, but to unload the group of seats rotate 90 degrees, which would turn the riders 'straight' again. You would then disembark by walking away from the track.

In this arrangement the station would only be one sided.

 

The only place the seats will spin is in the station.

 

I'm gonna quote this in hopes that people actually take the time to read it. Your explanation makes total sense, so hopefully it doesn't get drowned out in a sea of "OMGZ 4D B&M" posts.

[robbalvey]

Yeah, having read over this whole thing it's not a new concept. In fact, I think I'm going to close this thread to avoid any mass confusion and incorrect rumors.

 

Once again, my frustration lies with the original poster. So QUICK to post something that not only was the original post half-assed, but it was also incorrect.

 

--Robb "THREAD FREAKING CLOSED!!!" Alvey