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^Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably head outside the park for one of the days I'm there. For my meal pass day, I sure hope the food operations are better than my local Six Flags park. I got the yearly dining pass a couple times and it resulted in horrible waits for cold food, etc.

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While not completely related to the operation of Canada's Wonderland, the park was used in a completely different way earlier this week to keep a tradition alive due to current COVID-19 restrictions i

Go to CW site.  Click to buy something like a season pass.  You'll see it in the popup transaction window.  Under 2021 Season Pass -> 2021 Add Ons.  

Can confirm, CF doesn't care which park you go to first with your paper voucher for a Platinum Pass.  You'll get your photo taken and be issued a card that has whatever park you go to first on the bac

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Plus 1 to St. Louis. Really tasty local chain. Flavourful wings, smaller than what you get in the US and not breaded. They are marinated and super tasty. The suicide sauce isn't gimmicky hot and is really tasty the "white sauce" for the fries is great too. Plus a great patio view of Wonderland. Can't recommend it enough.

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Plus 1 to St. Louis. Really tasty local chain. Flavourful wings, smaller than what you get in the US and not breaded. They are marinated and super tasty. The suicide sauce isn't gimmicky hot and is really tasty the "white sauce" for the fries is great too. Plus a great patio view of Wonderland. Can't recommend it enough.

 

Wild Wings is better or All Star Wings

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CW got nominated for the Ice Bucket Challenge! Wonder how they'll do it. (Holiday World started it all by nominating SF St. Louis, Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, and Kings Island. KI nominated Wonderland and Cedar Point).

 

 

Kings Island:

 

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Went to the park yesterday for the first time since last october. First thing is I forgot how rough Wild Beast is. There is nothing better than riding Behemoth at night. I find Behemoth better than Leviathon. I find more airtime on it. My only real comment is I never realized how much this park has turned into a place for teens to hangout. I didn't have any problems with them but I don't remember it ever being this way before.

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My only real comment is I never realized how much this park has turned into a place for teens to hangout. I didn't have any problems with them but I don't remember it ever being this way before.

Wonderland has always been a place that teenagers hang out, particularly in the late-August period prior to school commencement.

 

Does anyone here remember the days of the Kingswood Music Theatre "$5 Concert Series"? From park opening until 6pm there'd literally be thousands of teenagers milling around the area where Psyclone now is, waiting for the gates of the theatre to open. In July and August there were major acts 4 or 5 days a week. I saw Iron Maiden there... for 5 bucks!

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I didn't want to discuss this in the Carowinds thread, but PCW_Nut said Leviathan will also get seatbelts for 2015. The park has said it is just to make the gp feel more secure, but is that really worth sacrificing the amazing dispatch times? I always read on Wonderland's Facebook page lots of complaints about long lines but no complaints that Behemoth and Leviathan don't have seatbelts. Is this really necessary?

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It's entirely for public perception. After about the first week or so, the crew on Behemoth had a system down to where the seatbelts didn't affect dispatch time at all. Granted, they are literally the longest seatbelts I think I've ever seen on a roller coaster, but still.

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I didn't want to discuss this in the Carowinds thread, but PCW_Nut said Leviathan will also get seatbelts for 2015. The park has said it is just to make the gp feel more secure, but is that really worth sacrificing the amazing dispatch times? I always read on Wonderland's Facebook page lots of complaints about long lines but no complaints that Behemoth and Leviathan don't have seatbelts. Is this really necessary?

The seatbelts added to Behemoth this season have not detracted from the ride experience nor have they increased the wait time. I thought they would (on both counts) but I was wrong.

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^But why? As far as I know, B&M hypers have not experienced an ejection accident related to weight, restraint failure, or any combination of the 2, while I don't even think B&M has ever experienced an ejection accident. The fact that you need to spend money and possibly increase dispatch times to calm the GP's fears about an accident that hasn't happened (and probably won't happen) on that kind of coaster is idiotic.

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That's a good question (that I doubt we'll ever know the answer to). I've just assumed it's an insurance reason; in the same manner that increased car accidents raise your premium, regardless of how safe a driver you are and what vehicle you drive.

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If I remember correctly, the story was that a few guests at Kings Island randomly questioned the safety of the coaster (they said they don't feel safe and anyone can fall out).....then to make sure this didn't affect anything, the seat belts were brought in (even though I honestly think seat belts do nothing on roller coasters, you'll still fly out)

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That's a good question (that I doubt we'll ever know the answer to). I've just assumed it's an insurance reason; in the same manner that increased car accidents raise your premium, regardless of how safe a driver you are and what vehicle you drive.

 

Cedar Fair is self-insured, right? They have more control than a normal company does.

 

If I remember correctly, the story was that a few guests at Kings Island randomly questioned the safety of the coaster (they said they don't feel safe and anyone can fall out).....then to make sure this didn't affect anything, the seat belts were brought in (even though I honestly think seat belts do nothing on roller coasters, you'll still fly out)

 

Is it that hard to explain, oh, that no coaster from this manufacturer, or at least this model, has ejected somebody? Ever? If only parks were to respond this quickly to things like removing trims from coasters...

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^But why? As far as I know, B&M hypers have not experienced an ejection accident related to weight, restraint failure, or any combination of the 2, while I don't even think B&M has ever experienced an ejection accident. The fact that you need to spend money and possibly increase dispatch times to calm the GP's fears about an accident that hasn't happened (and probably won't happen) on that kind of coaster is idiotic.

 

Maybe they just want to stay accident-free and be as safe as possible...

 

It hasnt detracted from dispatch times or the overall experience so I dont see the problem.

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If I remember correctly, the story was that a few guests at Kings Island randomly questioned the safety of the coaster (they said they don't feel safe and anyone can fall out).....then to make sure this didn't affect anything, the seat belts were brought in (even though I honestly think seat belts do nothing on roller coasters, you'll still fly out)

 

I've had a chance to chat with a few members of the Kings Island maintenance personnel who work on Diamondback each day, and they've all had the same story. The seat belts were added because of the incident on New Texas Giant last year. I asked them if they knew that no one had ever been ejected from any B&M ride and that their rides with clamshell restraints have conservatively given more than 100 million rides without incident. They all came back with "it's just a CYA thing". When I asked if they'll ever be removed their response has been "not anytime soon".

 

For those of you who still believe that a seat belt would somehow keep you in in the event of an ejection, I urge you to please read the official ride accident report from the state of Massachusetts regarding the Superman: Ride of Steel ejection in 2004. I don't have enough posts here to insert a link, but simply Google "Superman ride accident 2004" and it's the first result listed.

 

Long story short, the victim in the Superman accident in 2004 was ejected while his seat belt was still attached. There's a reason coaster designers do not use seat belts as the only means of restraining you.

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re: seatbelts

 

It took a while for me to be comfortable with the B&M t-bars, just psychologically. I'm not saying there was anything wrong mechanically with them, but the thought went through my mind that if this thing lets go, i have nothing even to hold on to since the only handles are part of the t-bar. Then, this june i was at sfga on El toro, and as we were headed over the first drop, mine went `click` open to the next notch. I pulled it down tighter when we were at the bottom of the hill and held on tight. It was a bit unsettling. It never gave me any other problem for the rest of the trip, but i didn't re-ride (and their dispatch times were painfully slow too...)

 

 

I rode the behemoth earlier this spring with the new seatbelts and felt better about the redundant security. I would prefer them for peace of mind.

 

I don't know why they are starting to add them now, other than that as the mechanisms get older, wear may be a factor and if they can't guarantee absolutely, a second restraint might be a good idea.

 

I don't like the argument that `nobody has been ejected so far`. It would sure suck being the first one...

 

regarding superman accident: If you are an amputee missing leg(s), then follow the restrictions and don't ride. They aren't there to be mean, but to avoid killing you.

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I don't know why they are starting to add them now, other than that as the mechanisms get older, wear may be a factor and if they can't guarantee absolutely, a second restraint might be a good idea.

 

Every off season, the trains are taken apart and re-built (at least in the Cedar Fair chain).....wear-and-tear is defiantly not an issue.

 

I don't like the argument that `nobody has been ejected so far`. It would sure suck being the first one...

 

Well it's a lot better than what Intamin said (what is below is copy-and-pasted from Carowinds Connection from "Chris")

 

Sandor Kernacs, Intamin's U.S. president, said Monday that 800 million to 900 million people ride on Intamin rides each season.

 

"I believe the safety of the rides is very, very good. Up to this point we haven't found anything to indicate something wrong with any of the rides,'' he said.

 

"It's impossible to avoid an accident. Every accident is tragic and we should strive not to have any, but accidents do happen. The question is what is an acceptable number?'' he said.

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re: seatbelts

 

regarding superman accident: If you are an amputee missing leg(s), then follow the restrictions and don't ride. They aren't there to be mean, but to avoid killing you.

 

I'm so happy that you did your homework before posting. The incident you mentioned in your post happened at Darien Lake. The accident I alluded to happened at Six Flags New England. Completely different situations in completely different years. However, just to save some time and avoid other misinformation, I'll quote several things directly from the ride accident report I mentioned in my original post:

 

It was observed, after the accident, that the [victim's] seat belt was still connected and latched. The position of the latching mechanism was pulled between the seat and the side restraint. The ride photo taken by an automatic camera on the coaster 10 to 20 seconds prior to the accident demonstrated that the seat belt was secured around [the victim]

 

The hydraulic system of the "T" bar restraint was checked for proper function. The system appeared clean and free of leakage. The seatbelt system was also checked and mechanically functioned properly.

 

Seat belts on B&M hypers literally don't do anything except give the illusion of safety. Would you ride Behemoth with a seat belt only?

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