RCfanatic Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The question here, assuming he is asking about the "dip" before the lift, is not a dumb question, its just poorly posed, so actually he should just have been more specific. A coaster with no bends should be a freaky long one (more then 40.000 km). Or be a Shuttle type coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas2 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 ^lol I ment a B&M coaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 SheiKra Sorry James, but SheiKra does make a 180* turn out of the station. Colin C But its not a "dropping turn" Ummm yeah it is, it has that drop/rise 180 turn kinda like RB, just not as steep. Trust me, Im a doctor. Colin C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canobie Fan Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Oh? I havent seen any full POV of it. and I didnt look at many photos.. But yeah you are right - http://p2.rcdb.com/picmax/busch-gardens-tampa/sheikra69.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorisTF Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Most? Uh. Only a some.B&M coasters with out "U-Turns" out of the station. *BIG list of coasters* So yeah. Its safe to say most do NOT have a U-Turn Sheikra has a U-turn out of the station: http://www.rcdb.com/ig2662.htm?picture=71 http://www.rcdb.com/ig2662.htm?picture=69 EDIT: Ehhhh, missed a whole page in which people already said this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Why are you harping on this poor dude? He asked a simple question. It doesn't matter what the question is. He was making an observation based of what he had seen. No harm in that. Just because he/she is not the coaster efficianado that you obviously are, does not give you the right to bag on this person. Hell, if you didn't already alienate yourself to this person by being an A$$hole. You might find that they are a totaly cool person and that they might be awesome to ride with somday if you are in their area, or if they are in yours. Guy "I've spoken my peace. Now move on." Koepp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank6585 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Its to take stress of the lift chain on the initial catch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolliger_%26_Mabillard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekoma Fan Boy Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 ^That is the predrop not pre lift turn. And i have read that article before so please don't say anything about me not reading it. (please note i am 100% NOT trying to be an @$$hole) The predrop drop keeps the chain dog from stretching the chain as much when it goes over the hill because the train isn't going as fast when the last car disengages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 You guys are being absolutely cruel. There is no harm whatsoever in asking a question, and there is no such thing as a dumb question. If everyone knew everything, there would be no point in living. I think you're overreacting. This question posed is very simular to the following: "Why do coasters (in particular B&M's) have bends/turns?" See that's a ridiculous question. Anyone here knows the answer to that question. A coaster with no bends should be a freaky long one (more then 40.000 km). Some questions are just questions most of us know the answer of, and those questions look silly in OUR opinions. Hope you understand! That isn't at all what he said. He said "What is the point of the U- Turn curved drop out of the station on most B&Ms before the chain clanking marathon begins?" That is worded as well as it could be. It is obvious to me that he is asking about the drop-curves that are present on many B&M's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Most of the B&M coasters that turn out of the station have a set of drive tires that match the trains speed to the lift speed which is probably to reduce the tug on the chain - But as far as why the turn exists in the first place it all IMO is the way the coaster was designed to fit the area the park wanted it in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamomatic Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Um, hello.. The turns are there they because B&M wanted them to be there.. And I agree, stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darien Laker Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 That's definitely not a stupid question....He just wants to know, that's all. It's more than just B&M though. Any company can do that. Even Arrow, even though they always seem to go dip THEN turn (like they're designed in RCT or something). It just helps the ride to fit in the alotted space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Um, hello.. The turns are there they because B&M wanted them to be there.. And I agree, stupid question. More like stupid answer. Not to mention a poorly structured sentence. But what would you expect from a know it all 17 year old. Factual information? You spew copious ammounts of usless drivel from an over active, over emotional, hormone infested mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Um, hello.. The turns are there they because B&M wanted them to be there.. And I agree, stupid question. It's not a stupid question, and if anything they are there because the park wanted them there remember the park pays the multi million dollar price tag and they get the final say as far as the design goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedKid Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 LOL... Pretty nice there Guy. I don't in any way find this question stupid. All he wants to know is why they have the turns desgined that way and what is its purpose. Many have already said that the turn helps fit the coaster in the area it is alloted. As far as the way the turn is desgined, it doesn't have to be like that, it could just be a turn with friction wheels or with a slight downward angle. I'm sure thats how they started and then some smart and innovative person thought "How can we make this better"...and presto, we have a sweet turn now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 yeah look at the Vortex at PGA its a dip and a flat unbanked turn. . . verry Arrow like, but over the years they have added banking and a dip there really is no reason for it just somthing B&M does to make the ride more interesting I imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Why are you harping on this poor dude? He asked a simple question. It doesn't matter what the question is. He was making an observation based of what he had seen. No harm in that. Just because he/she is not the coaster efficianado that you obviously are, does not give you the right to bag on this person. Hell, if you didn't already alienate yourself to this person by being an A$$hole. You might find that they are a totaly cool person and that they might be awesome to ride with somday if you are in their area, or if they are in yours. Guy "I've spoken my peace. Now move on." Koepp AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!! It is not a stupid question and I have kind of wondered the same thing. That type of turn was specifically designed into the coaster to serve a specific purpose. I do not claim to know what that purpose is, I guess it could be just about anything. It might have something to do with how it 'feeds' the train to the lift, or maybe the ride was designed with a tight turn there and that type of u turn may be tighter than a flat turn, or that little dip is there because it gets the train to the lift quicker than a flat gradual turn, (I don't know for sure but that last one seems to make a lot of sense.) But coaster designers don't just throw one of those turns in there for no reason. The only way we'll find out for sure what the deal is with these u turns is to have a B&M engineer answer this question for us. I too have unfortunatley come across some "know it all 17 year olds that spew copious amounts of useless drivel from an over active, over emotional, hormone infested mind" in my day as well, and they very often are lacking factual information- if they even know what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas2 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Okay if he was asking why there is a drop in that U-bend then that's a good question. I apologize myself then. I thought he ment why there is a U-bend in some coasters, and that question just seemed ridiculous. He should have been more correct in his question Sorry for misunderstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamomatic Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Okay, it's a not a stupid question, it's a pointless question, something anyone can figure out for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 This easily makes the top ten dumbest questions list on TPR. how cute. Anyone else want to join in the unneccessary bashing of the poor kid? This certainly is not a stupid question nor even a pointless one, but truth is that no one here really knows, and can only make logical assumptions (re: post #2 which I think is a good guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkdcoaster Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I had already written Dylang a PM yesterday telling him I misunderstood what he was talking about. I guess I have to repeat myself AGAIN. The post seemed like he was asking why B&Ms take U-turns before the lift. I did not get that he was asking about the dip (hill) in the U-turn at first. I apologize for the misunderstanding. There are alot of A$$holes here I guess. (I really do not see why this thread was left open in the first place) JEFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfan200692 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 TPR drama. Its not a biggy people. We all have opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Okay, it's a not a stupid question, it's a pointless question, something anyone can figure out for themselves. Yes! And the easiest way to do that is to ask questions from other people in the coaster community, in hopes that he dosn't get a smart assed answer. Or get verbally chastised for it. I'll bet that your shcool teacher has often thought, "My God, could this pompous child create a more stupid statement or question?" about something that came out of your mouth several times. Heck, I'm thinking it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 TPR drama. Its not a biggy people. We all have opinions. Opinions are one thing, but you don't need to flame some one for theirs. Just simply state yours and go on. As you just kindly did. Oh, and sorry to double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 hey double posts are great if you are making a good point that needs to be made - It's funny because I remember a while back someone asking about the pre drop dip on B&M coasters and no one reacted this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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