snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Sticky, don't talk like that.. you're making me wet!! Hopefully something inverted/floorless!!!!!! Probably a Patriot (Worlds of Fun) clone.. seems to be what is being put in other parks. I'm there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Oh come on, you should know that there is no way employees could know this kind of thing. If there is a new VF! coaster for 2008, it's in its early planning stages. I know that WoF first knew they were getting Patriot in about 2004. If they do get a new coaster in 2008, I would put my money on a Daemonen-sized floorless or a B:TR-sized invert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Well, it's one of their few parks without an inverted or floorless now, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 i live in st. paul, mn and i usually take at least 3 trips to valleyfair every year and up to 10 times a season. so for all of you who want pics of renegade, i will ge them for you. yes that also includes onrides. i specialize in onrides. we probably wont be able to see much until next season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 VF has an inverted coaster. As for how the GP will react; they will react much better than they would for anything B&M could build for 6.5 million. Wood coasters are making a come back. They are becomming popular again at a time when the price of steel is skyrocketing. It is not a bad thing since a great woodie is tons of fun. You just have to give them a chance instead of only allowing yourself to be wowed by height and inversions. At a park that has a low ceiling, a woodie is one of the better ways to maximize your thrill factor. In my opinion, Renegade looks like it has the potential to be one of the best coasters CF has ever built, even at CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Please, Please, Please don't call Steel Venom a coaster. VF did that on the cheap.. It's not as tall in other places, and it doesn't twist on both sides like other places even.. It did draw a lot of people to the park the year it opened though. I only ride it if the line is minimal. I still think the GP likes steel more than wood. And nothing's saying they couldn't have spent more than 6.5mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Please, Please, Please don't call Steel Venom a coaster Then what do you suppose we call it? If its not a coaster then Im not a guy, and I can assure you Im a guy. Anyways, I think that for the money, Renegade is a VERY nice coaster. I would take it over a lot of other rides any day, and I think the GP will like it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Ok, Technically some might call Steel Venom a coaster.. but I don't. I don't think it's a coaster unless it actually goes out and back.. else it's just another ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 ^Are you trying to say that none of these: CLICK HERE, are coasters? Well your wrong. Saying shuttle coasters arent coasters is like saying any coaster without a chain lift isnt a coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 SV is a shuttle coaster and it is the same size as most of the other ones. WT was built a little bigger just so CP could claim another world record, but most of the impulse shuttles are clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Well, some are long enough in my book to be considered coasters, at least 200m.. but some aren't.. You are entitled to your opinions on what you think is a coaster as well. I will just not count Steel Venom as a coaster. You can take a "credit' for it if you like and need a credit that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Good point. If it is not a coaster in "your book", then I guess you should know since you did write a book. I guess Renegade will suck after all. Thanks for sharing your info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdillaman Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Well, I haven't riden to ride, yet (Shocking I know!) so I can't give any review about it. I'm not blessed with ESP like others seem to be on this forum. I'm reminded of Kentucky Rumbler, which from the POV animation I didn't think would be nearly as fun as it turned out to be... -James Dillaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 this coaster is gonna be tight as hell. i saw the pov on valleyfair.com and it looks sweet. it seems much faster than it says it is. i mena in that video it looked like you were going like 80. but its actually only 53. we'll see. it should be a great addition to a nice park. look forward to many pictures from valleyfair from me as well as POVs of renegade ( when it opens) wild thing, excalibur and maybe steel venom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Whether I consider Steel Venom a coaster or not has nothing to do with how I feel Renegade will or won't be.. Who knows, it might be fun.. but I would still rather have an LONG inverted or floorless model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 if this potential plan for an invert of floorless in 08 is true, i sure hope valleyfair takes advantage of their height limit and build it moderately tall. they'd have enough of a height ceiling to make it taller than the tallest inverts and floorless-superman krypton coaster and alpengeist. even i dont see what the point of building an invert that tall would be. fo rsome reason however, i dont believe that they will get a coaster in 08. its taken them 4 years since steel venom to get another coaster and that was only 8 Million. if they invested in a b&m, they wouldnt have enough money to build anothe until our kids are our age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I agree Pinkslip.. I don't think they'll put another coaster in VF in 08... It's just too much capital to lay out, and I don't think CF is ready to put out that kind of money at a park like VF. Though I'll keep my virtual fingers crossed that they do bring in a coaster like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 no doubt a b&m at VF would be the bomb and im always hopefull. i think VF may be running out of room though. i mean where are they going to build besides difficult locations such as over the parking lot and into the mn river valley marsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I think they could squeeze a coaster between the galaxy theater and the ampitheater if they did it right. Or maybe get rid of the mini golf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 true, i suppose they could fit a boatload of coasters if they had the twisted minds of b &m. do they own any land past excalibur? they could build on the edge of the parking lot or over part of it that is never full like magic mountain did with scream. im just really excited to finally get something new to look forward to at VF.also with most of their rides being so short in height, they could build like a millennium force type a coaster and easily overlap over small rides and intertwine it with other things. it doesnt have to be that tall though considering VFs height limit. as long as its at its max as high as possible 250-300 ft. VF would see the largest crowds its ever seen if they invested in an intamin gigacoaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I think they're limited to around 200-220 feet in height, so we'll never see a really tall coaster there. But you can do a lot with a good floorless or inverted coaster in under 110.. I just don't think we'll see anything like that for a while after this investment in Renegade. They could always just get rid of excalibur.. It really only ever runs 1 train, and never gets that many riders... Excalibur does have some good force to it, but it REALLY beats the hell out of you too, keeping me (and apparently everyone else) from riding it very much.. nearly anything would be an improvement over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkymn Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I stand corrected.. I don't know how VF is doing this math, but they say that Power tower is 250 feet high, and that it is actually 75 feet higher than Wild thing. (which lists at 207 feet tall) (According to VF own website) So maybe 250 feet is the height limit at the park, as it's mentioned on the VF web site that the power tower would have been higher if not for the FAA limit.. See bottom of this link for FAA statement. http://www.valleyfair.com/public/attractions/rides/thrill_rides/power_tower.cfm I've been on both of these rides too many times to count, and I can't say I really believe that power tower is that much taller than Wild Thing's first hill... They look to be pretty equal height when you're at the top of either. Anyone have any real insight into this fuzzy math that VF is using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkslipknot420 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 power tower's structure is 275 ft but the distance you fall is 250 ft. so i guess 275 is their limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECZenith Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Gotta go slightly off topic for a minute here... I would like to go for a short trip out to MN next spring for VF and MOA. How much distance is between the two and how far is either place from the airport? Can it be done without a rentacar? IMO, Renegade is the one thing I needed to finally head out in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 ^I'm planning on doing those two in a day next year. The distance between the two parks is only about 15 miles. Distance between Valleyfair and Mall of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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