Valleyfair (VF) Discussion Thread

[MrMorgan]

Why, yes, it is!

[thomas2]

Lol just wondering

[CP_RULES]

Yah, there sure seems to be a lot of people whining about this ride! I just don't get it!?!? We should all be rejoicing, (especially Minnesotans), that another wooden coaster is being built no matter what, not to mention it's from GCI. There is absolutely no reason to whine!!! Here are some of the other possibilities which WOULD have been whine-worthy:

 

For Immediate Release:

Valleyfair! to get Son Of Beast clone for 2007 season.

 

OR

 

Announcement:

Upper Midwests largest themepark to save the long time SBNO Flashback from SFMM!

 

OR

 

This just in! Valleyfair to add world record SECOND Arrow Wild Mouse to coaster collection in 2007!

 

Those would all be reasons to whine, but NOT for a new GCI woodie. Anyone else feel me on this one???

 

I completely agree, I think this looks awesome, and if screamscape is right on their rumors for Dorney and WOF, I cant wait to ride something similar in '09.

 

-Justin "Willing to feel you on this.... " Seabaugh

[ParkTrips]

You would think reading some of these posts that GCI has absolutely no clue how to build a coaster.

Hey, just because it may not be a world-class airtime machine doesn't mean it won't be good. I think GCI does know how to build wooden coasters, one of which is my favorite ride (The Thunderhead) However, with that in mind, its always going to be hard to compete with one's number one ride, which is probably the source of high expectations.

 

I didn't expect a whole lot from Rumbler other than a fast, smooth ride with tons of laterals, and it delivered that and more. This reminds me more of Lightning Racer, another ride which I really like.

 

I'm sure we wont' be disappointed.

If you don't expect much from a ride, its hard to get disappointed

[SKULLY]

Maverick's not a record breaker, Griffon's too unoriginal, and Renegade doesn't offer enough airtime. Geee isn't the whole coaster world just going to hell?

[steel]

Has anyone else noticed that all the major 2007 coasters have odd drops?

 

Mystery Mine - Eurofighter

Griffon - Dive Machine

Maverick - 95* drop

Renegade - twisted drop.

 

SKULLY, I really do hope you were being sarcastic.

[Gnome]

Anybody else think that they ripped both of those names out of Team America?

 

I was watching that movie today and I couldn't stop laughing at the part where Spotswood calls Gary a "Maverick Renagade."

[bdstrom]

I am deeply baffled on what motivated Valleyfair to get this coaster.

 

They already have High Roller, which is a wooden coaster and it is only 131 feet shorter than Renegade. Plus, it has airtimes. Then why another wooden coaster? Is it because they just wanted a twisty track? I believe that can be achieved by twisty B&M, Intamin, or even EuroFighter. Also they have Excalibur which is a wooden/steel hybrid.

 

Valleyfair is duplicating, which is considered a bad thing in business world. At several of previous jobs I had, we were not allowed to duplicate since it is a waste of money, our times, and customer's time. For example, if a college already have a library... would you build another one? Of course not!

 

Back to my question, what made Valleyfair decide to get this ride? Is it a general public poll? Was it a random drawing thing? Did they made a special deal with CGI? Now I am tempted to call Valleyfair and try to get them to answer my question. Gosh!

[MARK]

^ From what I can see, Renegade will be a completely different experience to High Roller and Excallibur.

[CP_RULES]

I am deeply baffled on what motivated Valleyfair to get this coaster.

 

They already have High Roller, which is a wooden coaster and it is only 131 feet shorter than Renegade. Plus, it has airtimes. Then why another wooden coaster? Is it because they just wanted a twisty track? I believe that can be achieved by twisty B&M, Intamin, or even EuroFighter. Also they have Excalibur which is a wooden/steel hybrid.

 

Valleyfair is duplicating, which is considered a bad thing in business world. At several of previous jobs I had, we were not allowed to duplicate since it is a waste of money, our times, and customer's time. For example, if a college already have a library... would you build another one? Of course not!

 

Back to my question, what made Valleyfair decide to get this ride? Is it a general public poll? Was it a random drawing thing? Did they made a special deal with CGI? Now I am tempted to call Valleyfair and try to get them to answer my question. Gosh!

 

Im not so sure you understand the coaster world. Think about this: SFMM has Riddler's Revenge, correct? The coaster is also a steel B&M with inversions, correct? Well then, using your theories, why would they want Scream!, B:TR, or Tatsu, which to my knowledge are all steel B&M coasters with inversions. Heck, why would they want Deja Vu, Revolution, Viper, or X, which are also all steel coasters with inversions? Your theory is flawed my friend, most parks like to have a variety of steel and wood, and one wooden coaster usually is not enough. Now to directly answer your question, Im sure Valleyfair chose this coaster for a few reasons: 1- They need a new woodie 2- GCI provided a design that delivered 3- GCI provided a design that was cheap (relatively speaking). I dont understand why everyone is b!tching about this coaster, Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Renegade looks SWEET!

[ECZenith]

I also have noticed that 2007 is the year of the vertical/weird drops. And that's not a bad thing.

[steel]

I am deeply baffled on what motivated Valleyfair to get this coaster.

Then let us explain it for you.

 

They already have High Roller, which is a wooden coaster and it is only 131 feet shorter than Renegade.

Woah, hold on. 131 feet shorter? That would put High Roller at about negative 27 feet tall.

Plus, it has airtimes.

It used to have airtime. Then they put trims at the end of the turnaround.

Then why another wooden coaster? Is it because they just wanted a twisty track?

Actually, that's pretty much the reason. There are many parks that have more than one wooden coaster. Hersheypark in Hershey, PA has two twisters, Wildcat and Lightning Racer, and an out and back, Comet. Six Flags America in Upper Marlboro, Maryland has a twister, Roar, and and out and back, Wild One. It's very common and makes for a well-rounded park.

I believe that can be achieved by twisty B&M, Intamin, or even EuroFighter.

You are right, but steel coasters and wooden coasters have completely different feels.

Also they have Excalibur which is a wooden/steel hybrid.

Excalibur sucks fantastically nowadays. I remember when that drop actually got you a speed of over ten mph.

Valleyfair is duplicating, which is considered a bad thing in business world.

Actually, VF! isn't duplicating at all. Renegade and High Roller are VERY different rides.

At several of previous jobs I had, we were not allowed to duplicate since it is a waste of money, our times, and customer's time. For example, if a college already have a library... would you build another one? Of course not!

You make a very good point, but this is the coaster world, not a college library. Think of it this way: if a college already has a library, does it mean that the college in question can't have a campus book store? Of course it doesn't! That's more what Renegade and High Roller are when compared.

Back to my question, what made Valleyfair decide to get this ride? Is it a general public poll? Was it a random drawing thing? Did they made a special deal with CGI?

First of all, I think you mean GCI, not CGI. Valleyfair! most likely decided to get Renegade about two seasons ago. If you ever get the chance to ride a GCI with Millennium Flyer trains (all but Roar at SFA, Gwazi at BGA, and Wildcat at Hersheypark), you will see what a huge difference there is between High Roller and GCI.

Now I am tempted to call Valleyfair and try to get them to answer my question.

Go ahead and call their Public Relations department if you want. They'll give you any information they can.

Gosh!

Good, now that's out of your system.

 

I hope that helps.

[Satoshi]

very weird lookin' twisted drop with S bend! but kinda great fun for

guys lovin' woodies since RENEGADE has lots of shaky places! maybe

it won't get shakes! it's in 2007 that's why! VALLEYFAIR GO FOR IT!

[Vekoma Fan Boy]

Yeah, I'm really hoping that the Press Release was mistaken about the MF Trains having '4 People Per Car, 6 Cars Per Train'. I guess there could be some new version of the MF Train's but I doubt it. Or perhaps, this is just how they word it nowadays?

 

Anyways, the ride looks cool.

 

 

 

Well if i t was the actual press that was writing this they most liklely knowing nothing about coasters may have assumed that MF's are PTC's.

[Electerik]

I think this is a great addition to the park, and it looks like it will be a really good ride.

 

It's interesting to me that nowadays, it seems like the way to get lots of positive attention for your park (both from enthusiasts and from the rest of the industry) is to build a good wooden coaster. And this could really put ValleyFair (back) on the map.

 

I think it's a much better move than just about any steel coaster they could have built.

[DailyBugle_JL]

Where have I been the past two days. When did Valley fair decide to build Lightning Racer clone with only one track.

 

Joking aside this ride looks really fun. The only GCI that ive ridden is lightning Racer so im guessing Renegade will be fun to since it looks similar to it. I like the funky drop; it reminds me of something i made in rct.

 

-Crazy Mutha F'n "when will get our third woodie here in GA" J

[ScottBrown]

The first drop kind of reminds me of a much smaller version of what the Rattler once had

[bdstrom]

I am deeply baffled on what motivated Valleyfair to get this coaster.

 

They already have High Roller, which is a wooden coaster and it is only 131 feet shorter than Renegade. Plus, it has airtimes. Then why another wooden coaster? Is it because they just wanted a twisty track? I believe that can be achieved by twisty B&M, Intamin, or even EuroFighter. Also they have Excalibur which is a wooden/steel hybrid.

 

Valleyfair is duplicating, which is considered a bad thing in business world. At several of previous jobs I had, we were not allowed to duplicate since it is a waste of money, our times, and customer's time. For example, if a college already have a library... would you build another one? Of course not!

 

Back to my question, what made Valleyfair decide to get this ride? Is it a general public poll? Was it a random drawing thing? Did they made a special deal with CGI? Now I am tempted to call Valleyfair and try to get them to answer my question. Gosh!

 

Im not so sure you understand the coaster world. Think about this: SFMM has Riddler's Revenge, correct? The coaster is also a steel B&M with inversions, correct? Well then, using your theories, why would they want Scream!, B:TR, or Tatsu, which to my knowledge are all steel B&M coasters with inversions. Heck, why would they want Deja Vu, Revolution, Viper, or X, which are also all steel coasters with inversions? Your theory is flawed my friend, most parks like to have a variety of steel and wood, and one wooden coaster usually is not enough. Now to directly answer your question, Im sure Valleyfair chose this coaster for a few reasons: 1- They need a new woodie 2- GCI provided a design that delivered 3- GCI provided a design that was cheap (relatively speaking). I dont understand why everyone is b!tching about this coaster, Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Renegade looks SWEET!

 

I dont think I've made myself clear in some way. Riddler's Revenge and Scream is a completely different ride since Riddler's a stand up and Scream is a floorless.

 

I understand your perspective but mine is different than yours. I personally don't think they need a new woodie and I am not crazy how much different GCI will provide compared to High Roller.

 

I applaud Valleyfair for getting Renegade since they barely add anything productive but their decision is puzzling. As a decision making level manager, I would have gone toward a different direction.

[bdstrom]

I am deeply baffled on what motivated Valleyfair to get this coaster.

Then let us explain it for you.

 

They already have High Roller, which is a wooden coaster and it is only 131 feet shorter than Renegade.

Woah, hold on. 131 feet shorter? That would put High Roller at about negative 27 feet tall.

Plus, it has airtimes.

It used to have airtime. Then they put trims at the end of the turnaround.

Then why another wooden coaster? Is it because they just wanted a twisty track?

Actually, that's pretty much the reason. There are many parks that have more than one wooden coaster. Hersheypark in Hershey, PA has two twisters, Wildcat and Lightning Racer, and an out and back, Comet. Six Flags America in Upper Marlboro, Maryland has a twister, Roar, and and out and back, Wild One. It's very common and makes for a well-rounded park.

I believe that can be achieved by twisty B&M, Intamin, or even EuroFighter.

You are right, but steel coasters and wooden coasters have completely different feels.

Also they have Excalibur which is a wooden/steel hybrid.

Excalibur sucks fantastically nowadays. I remember when that drop actually got you a speed of over ten mph.

Valleyfair is duplicating, which is considered a bad thing in business world.

Actually, VF! isn't duplicating at all. Renegade and High Roller are VERY different rides.

At several of previous jobs I had, we were not allowed to duplicate since it is a waste of money, our times, and customer's time. For example, if a college already have a library... would you build another one? Of course not!

You make a very good point, but this is the coaster world, not a college library. Think of it this way: if a college already has a library, does it mean that the college in question can't have a campus book store? Of course it doesn't! That's more what Renegade and High Roller are when compared.

Back to my question, what made Valleyfair decide to get this ride? Is it a general public poll? Was it a random drawing thing? Did they made a special deal with CGI?

First of all, I think you mean GCI, not CGI. Valleyfair! most likely decided to get Renegade about two seasons ago. If you ever get the chance to ride a GCI with Millennium Flyer trains (all but Roar at SFA, Gwazi at BGA, and Wildcat at Hersheypark), you will see what a huge difference there is between High Roller and GCI.

Now I am tempted to call Valleyfair and try to get them to answer my question.

Go ahead and call their Public Relations department if you want. They'll give you any information they can.

Gosh!

Good, now that's out of your system.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Thanks for analyzing my post and sharing your opinion. And yes I mean GCI, need to train my finger while typing.

[snorkymn]

They would probably be better with adding to the water park, more slides and things there, than another wooden coaster.

 

They seem to make some bad decisions at VF.. like taking out the Wild Rails and putting in the Mad Mouse..

 

If the new wooden coaster is anything as violent as Excalibur, nobody will ride it, as they'll all end up with neck and back problems.

[Golfie]

^^ I'll be looking forward to shorter lines in 2008 Seriously though, amusement parks are not only about coasters. SFGAm just got a water park last year, and a small coaster the year before that. If coasters are really all you care about, I suggest you pack your bags and move to Valencia, CA. Six Flags Magic Mountain would be a perfect fit for you.

 

They could use another woodie...

 

 

I love GCI woodies. They do what woodies aren't supposed to do. I like how all of the transitions are smooth, yet quick, and everything is perfectly paced.

[coastrfreak2000]

To be honest, I think Renegade looks better than Maverick.

 

Wait, nevermind, I take that back. After wathcing the POV's of both of them a few times Maverick looks better.

[RCfanatic]

This coaster looks great and hopefully it will make this little park worth visiting again! This project looks like one of the best 2007 addittions along with Griffon, Maverick and Mistery Mine!

 

Its strange that sometimes there are so many negative reactions to this coaster and to the other 2007 coasters (Griffon, Maverick). Why don't some people realize how great these coasters look? I'd go nuts if they would put anything like those coasters here in Belgium!

 

GCI coasters (especially the ones with millenium flyer trains) are known to be very good, this is a high coaster + from the looks of it it will have a great first drop and lots of fun hills & turns, so all that plus the fact that its a GCI should make this a great coaster!

[Linkin_palau]

I think that it needs more airtime, I can't see any big airtime in the render....

[Screamomatic]

Do you really expect to feel any G-Forces sitting in your chair staring a computer monitor?