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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby ytterbiumanalyst » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:31 am

There was a point at which I would have said the DH is anathema, but honestly with increasing pitcher specialization, only starting pitchers ever get at bats, and usually only a couple before they're pulled for the first reliever. We now have 7th and 8th inning specialists, as most teams assume the starter won't go beyond 6.

I would support this system if it meant the top 8 teams would go to the playoffs, without any stupid wild cards. Having four wild cards is ridiculous. If you want to realign the divisions for travel, great, but then having division winners automatically advance leads to great teams being left out. Wild card is a poor patch job for this problem. Just have the top eight advance. If all eight are in the West division because every team in that division is better than any other team in any other division, then that's how your playoffs go.
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Postby michaellynn4 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:49 pm

As a Phillies fan, this was heartbreaking to hear today:

Roy Halladay, former MLB star pitcher, killed in Florida plane crash

Thank you for the incredible memories, Doc. You will be sorely missed.
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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby Jew » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:35 pm

coasterbill wrote:God, I'd love this. Nothing would make me happier than for MLB to do this, expand to 32 teams and get rid of the separate leagues which I'm sure would mean the designated hitter would be implemented league-wide and we'd no longer have to listen to smug purists talk about the "superior strategy" that goes along with having an automatic out at the bottom of every team's batting order.


To be honest, I'd like it the other way around---pitchers hitting produces some awesome and hilarious moments. Love it when a pitcher comes up with a clutch RBI or home run, and also love seeing them flail away like they barely even know how to use a baseball bat. Especially if Shohei Otani makes it to MLB and lives up to the hype.

At the very least, I'd like them to adopt the college rule where a pitcher can be designated as P/DH and hit and subbed out as one or the other as needed.
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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby ESRLoop » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Jew wrote:
coasterbill wrote:God, I'd love this. Nothing would make me happier than for MLB to do this, expand to 32 teams and get rid of the separate leagues which I'm sure would mean the designated hitter would be implemented league-wide and we'd no longer have to listen to smug purists talk about the "superior strategy" that goes along with having an automatic out at the bottom of every team's batting order.


To be honest, I'd like it the other way around---pitchers hitting produces some awesome and hilarious moments. Love it when a pitcher comes up with a clutch RBI or home run, and also love seeing them flail away like they barely even know how to use a baseball bat. Especially if Shohei Otani makes it to MLB and lives up to the hype.

At the very least, I'd like them to adopt the college rule where a pitcher can be designated as P/DH and hit and subbed out as one or the other as needed.


I agree... I grew up in little league and the fan of an NL team so I always was brought up under the "Everyone hits" philosophy, even when that can produce some hilarious results. On the flip side it can produce some very interesting strategy discussions not often brought up in the MLB anymore.

Sadly I believe MLB will go the other direction on the long run because of the potential excitement of offense.

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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby Canobie Coaster » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:03 pm

What's not to love about seeing Daniel Cabrera trying to bat.

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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby 9Armgeddon4 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:08 am

I actually want to see the DH removed if the realignment happens. I love watching pitchers bat in the postseason especially in the World Series. As for the postseason I think the wildcad spots should be removed and the top 3 teams from each division should make the playoffs. This way 12 teams would still make the playoffs but each division would send the same amount. So it would exactly the same as the Stanley Cup playoffs formate just without the wildcard teams.

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Postby Jew » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:25 am

9Armgeddon4 wrote:I actually want to see the DH removed if the realignment happens. I love watching pitchers bat in the postseason especially in the World Series. As for the postseason I think the wildcad spots should be removed and the top 3 teams from each division should make the playoffs. This way 12 teams would still make the playoffs but each division would send the same amount. So it would exactly the same as the Stanley Cup playoffs formate just without the wildcard teams.


The biggest problem with that is that it would likely stretch the post-season even further into November.
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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby coasterbill » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:36 pm

Jew wrote:To be honest, I'd like it the other way around---pitchers hitting produces some awesome and hilarious moments.

9Armgeddon4 wrote:I actually want to see the DH removed if the realignment happens.


You know that would never happen. There have been tons of highly marketable designated hitters that sold tons of merchandise and put fans in the stands. Guys like David Ortiz would never have had any longevity if they seriously had to play a position late in their careers. The DH means more exciting, marketable players get to play more often and play deeper into their careers which makes MLB a ton of money.

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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby Jew » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:56 am

Aside from Edgar Martinez & David Ortiz, there hasn't really been any star DH's that I can remember. It prolonged the careers of declining stars in the previous era before sabermetrics, 90+ MPH fastballs being the norm, and seemingly every team having freakishly athletic young talent.

Ultimately, Baseball is becoming so specialized that using a roster spot for someone who is just a DH only makes sense if the player is a superstar and can REALLY rake (like Ortiz).
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Re: Major League Baseball Thread

Postby coasterbill » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:01 pm

Jew wrote:Aside from Edgar Martinez & David Ortiz, there hasn't really been any star DH's that I can remember. It prolonged the careers of declining stars in the previous era before sabermetrics, 90+ MPH fastballs being the norm, and seemingly every team having freakishly athletic young talent.

Ultimately, Baseball is becoming so specialized that using a roster spot for someone who is just a DH only makes sense if the player is a superstar and can REALLY rake (like Ortiz).


I agree, but I think there will be plenty more players like that over time. The DH also allows superstar players to get more playing time and that's a big bonus too. If someone needs a "half day off" or is nursing an injury but they don't want to lose their bat, they put them at DH all the time. That's a big win for the fans who bought tickets hoping to see one of their best players who otherwise wouldn't be playing (or people flipping channels who may or may not decide to tune into a game) and it's a situation that comes up all the time.

PS: Travis Hafner and Frank Thomas come to mind as great designated hitters too along with the guys you mentioned, I also think you might be underestimating the appeal of keeping declining stars in the game. Guys like Jim Thome come to mind immediately but there were plenty other highly marketable players that ended their careers as designated hitters and could still rake.

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