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Question about the TimeSaver: how effective is it at saving time? If I make a plan to go in August (or some time when I would expect it to be crowded), should I try to set it up so I'm there on a weekday when there would be lighter crowds, or would I be able to get through them pretty easily on a crowded day by using TimeSaver?

 

I've heard it compared to the way Six Flags does their fast passes. I've never gotten a fast pass at a Six Flags and have no sense of how well they work.

 

For 30 bucks I wouldnt ever go without it. Love them. They are just Qbots but since as soon as you're scanned in the station it resets you can start waiting for your next ride while you're in line for your row on the first ride you queued. It's awesome. Also it allows you to roam the park while you wait instead of sitting in a line. You can sit down and eat while your timesaver waits 2 hours for Lightning Rod, meanwhile you're out enjoying the park and not trapped in a zig zag of metal and heat.

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As the park fills up today time saver has definitely been worth it. We get it for free because we're staying at DreamMore however I would certainly pay the $25.

It's especially hot today so the time not spent in switchbacks is really great.

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As you can see I don't post that much on here, more of a lurker than anything.

 

Dollywood is thee most overpriced park that I have ever been to.

 

It's really nice, i'll give them that but their coasters aren't worth the price of admission. I love Tornado, hell, i'd pay the ticket price just to ride that but $70 for a ticket is a kick in the pants for what you get IMO.

DW is nice but I agree that IMO it's overpriced (perhaps purposely). Admission is $74 with taxes/fees for an adult, or $86 with parking (parking fees are just another part of the admission cost). And this doesn't include the water park. There's just not enough there, IMO, for $74/$86. But obviously they can get away with it since it's usually very crowded. Tourists are already in the area, so they're going to go to DW regardless of price (up to a point of course).

 

Holiday World is $45 and includes the themepark and waterpark, plus free parking, soft drinks, and sunscreen.

 

Even Cedar Point is only $52.79 with tax/fee right now (plus $15/$18 parking).

 

Heck, even the expensive/overpriced Disney World ends up $86.53 per day with tax if you buy a 4 day ticket, but that includes going to a separate themepark each day. Plus $20/day parking.

 

Seaworld Orlando's one day ticket is only $5 more than Dollywood. And Seaworld Orlando and Busch Gardens Tampa's two-park ticket is the same price as Dollywood's; both $99. And SWO/BGT's gives you four parks to choose from (two themeparks, two water parks). Or a three day/park ticket is only $109.

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^^Except at Dollywood they invite you to ride the 3 great coasters instead of 15.

 

I count 4: WE, TH, TT, MM. And FCE is fun, especially is you have young one that don't like inversions.

 

Why don't they just remove the launch and add a chain lift instead?

 

Hard to crest the first hill at 40MPH with a chain.

 

It doesn't crest the first hill at 45 MPH. It stops launching like 2/3 up the lift and just coasts over the top. A cable lift could probably get really close. But I don't think the issues are with the launch any more - and as the article stated above unrelated to the recall causing the closure. As for when it was running, it seemed like most breakdowns were just the computer system getting mixed up. I think I heard it has like 6 systems working together? One slip and down she goes for a reset.

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Question about the TimeSaver: how effective is it at saving time? If I make a plan to go in August (or some time when I would expect it to be crowded), should I try to set it up so I'm there on a weekday when there would be lighter crowds, or would I be able to get through them pretty easily on a crowded day by using TimeSaver?

 

Hit or miss. Most of the time I haven't felt it worth the money, so I've never had one.

Maybe better for show reservations than rides. Some of them can have really long lines (Festival of Nations, BG&BBQ, Christmas) though the summer shows usually aren't bad.

 

Granted I tend to pick less busy time of year (when heat isn't as much of an issue either) but I've seen 45min + on TT and WE.

 

It's really just an automated wait in line so you can do other stuff instead.

You select the available time slot than arrive then or after and got straight to the front.

But it doesn't really get you in much faster. It would be nice to not have to wait in line for 30-45 minutes, instead getting a drink, a bite to eat, shopping, watching a craftsman, etc.

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DW is nice but I agree that IMO it's overpriced (perhaps purposely). Admission is $74 with taxes/fees for an adult, or $86 with parking (parking fees are just another part of the admission cost). And this doesn't include the water park. There's just not enough there, IMO, for $74/$86. But obviously they can get away with it since it's usually very crowded. Tourists are already in the area, so they're going to go to DW regardless of price (up to a point of course).

 

For a one day trip perhaps you're right. Especially if you are just interested in coasters.

But I'd never visit the area for just one day.

 

Between the late entry - extra day option, the low rate for the season pass*, and the gold pass discounts (20%) and free parking can easily pay for itself ($45) a day if you have a family/group, it just doesn't make sense to do one day.

 

 

*less than 2 one day tickets, though the 3day-2park option is OK unless you might return later, like in Nov/Dec. And the super pass is just the price of one day at the water park above the other pass.

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Hard to crest the first hill at 40MPH with a chain.

 

It doesn't crest the first hill at 45 MPH.

No, but it doesn't slow down much from the max speed from the LSMs. Remember the back of the train is still in the LSMs for most of that. I'm guessing still doing 35-40 at the crest. Watch the POVs and off ride videos of the launch for reference.

 

Need someone with a speed detector to check a few points. I want to see confirmation of the 73MPH too.

 

A chain would be much slower going over the crest.

I've never seen a chain lift do more the 5-10MPH at the top, that's why you creep over the crest, even hang there in the front.

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Hit or miss. Most of the time I haven't felt it worth the money, so I've never had one.

Maybe better for show reservations than rides. Some of them can have really long lines (Festival of Nations, BG&BBQ, Christmas) though the summer shows usually aren't bad.

 

Granted I tend to pick less busy time of year (when heat isn't as much of an issue either) but I've seen 45min + on TT and WE.

I plan to stay at their place, so I'll be getting a TimeSaver with the room. What I meant is that if I go on a crowded day, should I still expect to be able to get on quickly, or, if I can, should I set it up so I'm there on a weekday, even though I'll have the TimeSaver?

 

No, but it doesn't slow down much from the max speed from the LSMs. Remember the back of the train is still in the LSMs for most of that. I'm guessing still doing 35-40 at the crest. Watch the POVs and off ride videos of the launch for reference.
I just did the calculation. I'm not accounting for issues like train length (I'm treating it like a point) or wind resistance, but the simple calculation says that 35mph at the crest has it going 78 at the bottom, while 21mph at the crest hits the reported 73. Edited by BigBad
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Hard to crest the first hill at 40MPH with a chain.

 

It doesn't crest the first hill at 45 MPH.

No, but it doesn't slow down much from the max speed from the LSMs. Remember the back of the train is still in the LSMs for most of that. I'm guessing still doing 35-40 at the crest. Watch the POVs and off ride videos of the launch for reference.

 

Need someone with a speed detector to check a few points. I want to see confirmation of the 73MPH too.

 

A chain would be much slower going over the crest.

I've never seen a chain lift do more the 5-10MPH at the top, that's why you creep over the crest, even hang there in the front.

 

I've been on it. It slows down significantly at the crest from the launch speed. Gravity takes over quick at that angle. A cable can do pretty decent speeds.

 

However I think it's all pointless, I heavily doubt they would ever remove the launch. It's a huge part of the marketing of this coaster.

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The cable launch would be very very hard to achieve on the slope. Look at all of them, they are pretty well a straight pull for the cable drum. You couldn't mount the launch gear at the top so it would have to be down at the base and the force on divert sheaves for the launch cable at the top of the crest would probably be way too much for such a structure or the sheaves themselves, plus you'd need a massive sheave for the bend radius of that cable.

 

 

I must say I applaud DW for now being so open with information. It's amazing the difference that makes with the GP speculating on the ride.

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I never thought I'd see the day where people want to make the launch system similar to Top Thrill Dragster's to improve reliability.

 

Also I love how everyone's an expert on the launch mechanics of a wooden roller coaster now. If people that do this professionally can't figure it out I highly doubt a bunch of enthusiasts on a message board can.

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I plan to stay at their place, so I'll be getting a TimeSaver with the room. What I meant is that if I go on a crowded day, should I still expect to be able to get on quickly, or, if I can, should I set it up so I'm there on a weekday, even though I'll have the TimeSaver?

 

As mentioned, it's just holding your place in line. So if the wait is 45 minutes when you select it, it's still 45 minutes before you ride. You just don't have to stand in line.

 

And as mentioned selecting the next ride while waiting to board can save you a few minutes, and even more since it's a good walk between some rides. TH and LR are a good ways from the other coasters. Even MM is a few minutes from WE/FCE/TT. Having walked quickly up the hill, be it Craftsman's Valley or Timber Canyon, having that count like you're in line would make a more enjoyable experience.

 

But how long are you there? One day? If you want to get several rides on each in one day, even on a slow day it could be helpful. But if you are wanting to ride one a few times be fore moving on, it reduced the utility no matter how slow or busy.

 

I'm usually in the park for 2 days at a time, and just haven't bothered with it.

And it would have been 2 or 3 people I'd pay for so that matters too.

 

 

I just did the calculation. I'm not accounting for issues like train length (I'm treating it like a point) or wind resistance, but the simple calculation says that 35mph at the crest has it going 78 at the bottom, while 21mph at the crest hits the reported 73.

 

How are you accounting for the double drop? I've not seen much on how far or what angles or the rise to the second crest.

 

I've been on it. It slows down significantly at the crest from the launch speed. Gravity takes over quick at that angle. A cable can do pretty decent speeds.

 

Didn't seam like it slowed much when I rode it. Certainly faster over the top than any chain lift I've ever been on.

They were always like WE/TH/TT.

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I'm at the park today and noticed they were working on it so I asked the employees at Lightning Rod's entrance… The parts are here and they're currently being replaced. They're "very hopeful" that it will open tomorrow, Wednesday. He said it was a piece in the restraints… Restraints were working TOO well and wouldn't unlock at the end of the ride. So they are having to replace that part on every seat on every train.

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I'm at the park today and noticed they were working on it so I asked the employees at Lightning Rod's entrance… The parts are here and they're currently being replaced. Very hopeful that it will open tomorrow, Wednesday. He said it was a piece in the restraints… Restraints were working TOO well and wouldn't unlock at the end of the ride. So they are having to replace that part on every seat on every train.

 

Great to hear! Thanks for asking!

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