Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

[Danrarbc]

If they build it they absolutely could come. 
 

Same goes for events - better quality events will make the park better compete with other events around town. 
 

I don’t think the first season of Holiday in the Park was bad for instance. It was a good start. But it needed to build on that and I’m not sure it really did. With Cedar Fair running the show though and how great Winterfest is I think there’s potential there. But keep in mind even they stopped doing Winterfest at Worlds of Fun. 

[SteveStL]

Speaking of Ride Removals... I would like to see STL get new Bumper Cars, Drop Tower (old Excalibur spot), and over course a new (or new to us) Steel Coaster (Tidal Wave).

And while I am hoping, Titan Track for The Boss.  I have lost all hope for a RMC Conversion, so Titan Track (or similar) would be great.  And Rebuild the Double Helix!!!  

[Danrarbc]

4 hours ago, SteveStL said:

Speaking of Ride Removals... I would like to see STL get new Bumper Cars, Drop Tower (old Excalibur spot), and over course a new (or new to us) Steel Coaster (Tidal Wave).

And while I am hoping, Titan Track for The Boss.  I have lost all hope for a RMC Conversion, so Titan Track (or similar) would be great.  And Rebuild the Double Helix!!!  

I think I'd prefer Gravity Group prefab track over Titan Track.

[prozach626]

11 hours ago, Stlouisguy said:

We should get that investment in the next couple of years hopefully,

We've been saying that forever.

 

There was only one person who said "corporate hates our park." We're just still making fun of him.

[SteveStL]

2 minutes ago, prozach626 said:

We've been saying that forever.

 

There was only one person who said "corporate hates our park." We're just still making fun of him.

Probably the same guy who was obsessed about our old Skyway and its removal 40 years ago. 

[prozach626]

omg I forgot about that dude. Long live SFSTL.net.

[prozach626]

This is rich.

Business Wire: "Six Flags to Invest More Than $1 Billion Over the Next Two Years to Enhance Guest Experience"

Quote

Among the capital investments currently planned for the 2026 operating season:

Carowinds will introduce a record-breaking water ride

Canada’s Wonderland will add a new record-breaking water attraction

King's Island will introduce a new family thrill attraction

Knott’s Soak City will receive a water park refresh and aesthetic enhancements

Six Flags Magic Mountain will debut a first-of-its-kind coaster in North America

Six Flags Great America will celebrate its 50th anniversary, debuting a new kids’ area, commemorative events and park enhancements

Six Flags Great Adventure will unveil a record-breaking launch coaster

Six Flags Over Texas will unleash a record-breaking dive coaster

Six Flags Mexico will introduce a family thrill boomerang coaster

2027 is our year, though.

[Danrarbc]

1 hour ago, prozach626 said:

This is rich.

Business Wire: "Six Flags to Invest More Than $1 Billion Over the Next Two Years to Enhance Guest Experience"

2027 is our year, though.

The sum of the specific items they announced between those and the 2025 items that are known still isn’t close to $1B. 
 

There’s a bunch of unannounced stuff not listed. 

[Stlouisguy]

4 hours ago, Danrarbc said:

There’s a bunch of unannounced stuff not listed. 

Completely correct, they only listed here what has been confirmed with ride manufacturers and has funding already. There are things still in development at parks and not everything was announced. I know something not yet announced is coming to Six flags America, and I wouldn't doubt if we have something too. Our park does not have a track record of announcing things years ahead, neither does Six flags or Cedar Fair as a whole. This announcement was unprecedented, and was posted to overshadow the negative press Six flags has been receiving regarding the possible park sell offs (closures), as well as the many unannounced ride removals across the chain including Kingda Ka.

In fact I believe we could see a couple ride removals ourselves.

-Tsunami Soaker: Remained SBNO for the 2024 season which included boarding up the rides exit. Its very expensive to operate, water is expensive. Usually water attractions make the expense worth due to their high popularity, ie: Thunder River, Log flume, however Tsunami Soaker when operating almost never sees high wait times, which proves the expense just isn't worth the while. Not to mention its high maintenance costs.

-Fireball: Removals from across the chain. Cedar Fair has a bad relationship with the rides manufacturer, Larson, which is owned by RMC. The LED light package was also broken last time I went.

Both of which I could see being replaced with a flat ride in place.

I recently brought up that a reimagined Holiday in the Park could return. I would like to mention that while overshadowed by the news of possible park sell offs. They mentioned a return of days removed from Legacy Six Flags Parks in Q4, which is the aforementioned, Holiday in the Park. They will begin rolling them out and further announcements would be made down the line. Currently, I dont know if thats news of whether its coming back or not. But the fact they brought it up, looks promising. 

[Sportsdude360]

The "Record Breaking Dive Coaster" coming to SFOT makes me think it could be a Giga. There are no height restrictions at SFOT.

[Danrarbc]

37 minutes ago, Sportsdude360 said:

The "Record Breaking Dive Coaster" coming to SFOT makes me think it could be a Giga. There are no hight restrictions at SFOT.

It’s just going to be one extra degree beyond vertical. That’s the game they’ve been playing with Dives recently. 

[Sportsdude360]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:00 AM, Danrarbc said:

It’s just going to be one extra degree beyond vertical. That’s the game they’ve been playing with Dives recently. 

I hope they play a different game with this one. Anyway, they're already demolishing La Vibora and El Diablo, construction on this monster is going to be going on all next year. Hopefully it'll be more than just a copy of the one going in at SFGA.

[Danrarbc]

45 minutes ago, Sportsdude360 said:

I hope they play a different game with this one. Anyway,  they're already demolishing La Vibora and El Diablo, construction on this monster is going to be going on all next year. Hopefully it'll be more than just a copy of the one going in at SFGA.

I don't think it'll be a copy of Wrath of Rakshasa - after all that layout is different from Dr Diabolical despite being similar in size. The land area of La Vibora and El Diablo combined is a bit larger than Wrath. But I don't think it's big enough for a giga height dive - certainly not using the full size trains.

[Stlouisguy]

It’s a Giga Dive, kinda funny how Great Americas Dive will only retain its record for one year. 

[SteveStL]

15 hours ago, Stlouisguy said:

Completely correct, they only listed here what has been confirmed with ride manufacturers and has funding already. There are things still in development at parks and not everything was announced. I know something not yet announced is coming to Six flags America, and I wouldn't doubt if we have something too. Our park does not have a track record of announcing things years ahead, neither does Six flags or Cedar Fair as a whole. This announcement was unprecedented, and was posted to overshadow the negative press Six flags has been receiving regarding the possible park sell offs (closures), as well as the many unannounced ride removals across the chain including Kingda Ka.

In fact I believe we could see a couple ride removals ourselves.

-Tsunami Soaker: Remained SBNO for the 2024 season which included boarding up the rides exit. Its very expensive to operate, water is expensive. Usually water attractions make the expense worth due to their high popularity, ie: Thunder River, Log flume, however Tsunami Soaker when operating almost never sees high wait times, which proves the expense just isn't worth the while. Not to mention its high maintenance costs.

-Fireball: Removals from across the chain. Cedar Fair has a bad relationship with the rides manufacturer, Larson, which is owned by RMC. The LED light package was also broken last time I went.

Both of which I could see being replaced with a flat ride in place.

I recently brought up that a reimagined Holiday in the Park could return. I would like to mention that while overshadowed by the news of possible park sell offs. They mentioned a return of days removed from Legacy Six Flags Parks in Q4, which is the aforementioned, Holiday in the Park. They will begin rolling them out and further announcements would be made down the line. Currently, I dont know if thats news of whether its coming back or not. But the fact they brought it up, looks promising. 

With all the ride removals from other Parks, SFSTL will have plenty to choose from to fill our vacant lots!

[Danrarbc]

22 minutes ago, SteveStL said:

With all the ride removals from other Parks, SFSTL will have plenty to choose from to fill our vacant lots!

Most of the rides being removed at the other parks are being removed for maintenance cost reasons.

Green Lantern is probably one of the only exceptions. Great Adventure's Top Spin has been problematic as well - and the parachute tower hadn't been running for a while. La Vibora is in the same boat - and Cedar Fair puts Larson Loops in that category too.

[Sportsdude360]

27 minutes ago, SteveStL said:

With all the ride removals from other Parks, SFSTL will have plenty to choose from to fill our vacant lots!

Well send you El Diablo. It's bigger than the Larson Looper you already have. La Vibora is headed for the scrap heap.

[Danrarbc]

2 minutes ago, Sportsdude360 said:

Well send you El Diablo. It's bigger than the Larson Looper you already have. La Vibora is headed for the scrap heap.

Cedar Fair isn't a Larson fan - it's more likely ALL of them are being removed than any being relocated.

As for the possible relocation of Green Lantern that'd be anyone's guess on if it's going to happen. Legacy Six Flags relocated 3 B&Ms INCLUDING that one so that's something I could have easily seen happening if they were calling the shots. But I also don't think Kingda Ka would be closing if they were in charge still. This is Cedar Fair so I really don't know if they'd have the appetite for a relocation. 

[SteveStL]

My take on SFGAd, I think they will modify Kingda Ka into some sorta TTD2-like creation.   Since they didn't mention the Drop Ride portion of the ride getting 'retired', it makes sense to me.

 

[SixFlagsOMA80]

12 minutes ago, SteveStL said:

My take on SFGAd, I think they will modify Kingda Ka into some sorta TTD2-like creation.   Since they didn't mention the Drop Ride portion of the ride getting 'retired', it makes sense to me.

 

 

It was later updated to include the removal of their drop ride leaving as well. 

[SixFlagsOMA80]

My guess now is that the carousel will never reopen. Cedar Fair has no interest and when we visit in 2025 the remaining parts of it will be removed.  

[SteveStL]

51 minutes ago, SixFlagsOMA80 said:

 

It was later updated to include the removal of their drop ride leaving as well. 

Ahh, got it.  Maybe Kingda Ka is a goner then.

[prozach626]

On 11/14/2024 at 2:53 PM, Danrarbc said:

The sum of the specific items they announced between those and the 2025 items that are known still isn’t close to $1B.

Correct.

Quote

The capital investments will go far beyond new rides. 

 

 

At least we can cross our fingers for some ride removals, though.

[prozach626]

When was the date the carousel closed? I'm trying to figure out if Universal Studios Epic Universe will take less overall time to finish. It looks like land grading started in 2019. But, the project was halted during the pharmaceutical industry's most profitable pandemic. I don't think anything went vertical until 2021.

I wonder if being reasonably objective could entertain the actual construction of Epic Universe taking less overall time, without the need to consider land clearing. Or, at least the suspension of the project should be deducted from the overall construction timeline. Regardless, it's not outlandish to consider the possibility of the refurbishment surpassing the overall project length, including the planning.

There might be a few different camps here. 

1) The refurbishment length is only unreasonable if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's planning and construction timeline.

2) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's ground breaking date.

3) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's ground breaking date excluding the construction delay.

4) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe going vertical and constructing an entire theme park.

5) I have too much pride to admit that it's taking too fucking long.

I know we've already unanimously established that the refurbishment process is still reasonable if it surpasses the length of time it takes for a roller coaster to kill someone, get purchased, be dismantled, be restored, reassembled, tested, and opened. It's portable.

I'm also curious if Top Thrill Dragster 2 will close, go SBNO for a year before construction begins on a massive rear vertical spike, get redesigned, open for a few weeks, close again for a season, and then finally reopen to the public in less time it takes for the carousel to finish. I suppose sanding, applying filler/bonding, painting, and reinstalling takes time. Probably even longer than it takes to completely design new trains, fabricate thousands of parts, have to redesign after taking an in depth analysis, fabricate more parts, and then reopen to the public.

I know I'm a little late for Veteran's day. But, I just wanted to thank everyone on here who graduated high school, joined the military, been deployed, fought a war, returned, and successfully discharged in about the time it's taking to finish the refurbishment of our carousel.

[SixFlagsOMA80]

1 hour ago, prozach626 said:

When was the date the carousel closed? I'm trying to figure out if Universal Studios Epic Universe will take less overall time to finish. It looks like land grading started in 2019. But, the project was halted during the pharmaceutical industry's most profitable pandemic. I don't think anything went vertical until 2021.

I wonder if being reasonably objective could entertain the actual construction of Epic Universe taking less overall time, without the need to consider land clearing. Or, at least the suspension of the project should be deducted from the overall construction timeline. Regardless, it's not outlandish to consider the possibility of the refurbishment surpassing the overall project length, including the planning.

There might be a few different camps here. 

1) The refurbishment length is only unreasonable if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's planning and construction timeline.

2) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's ground breaking date.

3) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe's ground breaking date excluding the construction delay.

4) The refurbishment length is unreasonable only if it surpasses the overall time it takes to complete, starting from Epic Universe going vertical and constructing an entire theme park.

5) I have too much pride to admit that it's taking too fucking long.

I know we've already unanimously established that the refurbishment process is still reasonable if it surpasses the length of time it takes for a roller coaster to kill someone, get purchased, be dismantled, be restored, reassembled, tested, and opened. It's portable.

I'm also curious if Top Thrill Dragster 2 will close, go SBNO for a year before construction begins on a massive rear vertical spike, get redesigned, open for a few weeks, close again for a season, and then finally reopen to the public in less time it takes for the carousel to finish. I suppose sanding, applying filler/bonding, painting, and reinstalling takes time. Probably even longer than it takes to completely design new trains, fabricate thousands of parts, have to redesign after taking an in depth analysis, fabricate more parts, and then reopen to the public.

I know I'm a little late for Veteran's day. But, I just wanted to thank everyone on here who graduated high school, joined the military, been deployed, fought a war, returned, and successfully discharged in about the time it's taking to finish the refurbishment of our carousel.

You know at this point you are 100%. There is no reason why this thing shouldn't be done by now. I stand by that it probably will never reopen at this point, they redid Kingda Ka's trains this year I believe only to tear the whole thing down. Cedar Fair Management probably put the X on this project in July and when we return in April I bet that area will be cleared along with another ride or 2. (This is what happens when the company fails to communicate)