Official LOST Discussion Thread

[larrygator]

Still Spoiling

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^maybe, but didn't Claire say something to Kate later in the show that made it appear Ethan said the name first.

 

Also, of course Claire can shoot a gun now, the others told Jack his sister is now changed or evil (can't remember the exact words).

[stingrock23]

^she is controlled by a dark force.

 

And I did manage to catch the episode tonight. It was like Christmas when I got home; i just didn't expect it was going to come on, but thankfully it did.

[Cameron]

Great episode! Very emotional and not a lot of action, a daring move but very welcome change of pace. I love it

 

Cameron.

[Homeboy23]

Still Spoiling

 

^maybe, but didn't Claire say something to Kate later in the show that made it appear Ethan said the name first.

 

Also, of course Claire can shoot a gun now, the others told Jack his sister is now changed or evil (can't remember the exact words).

 

She said his name before Ethan did. She told Kate that the name just came to her. I'm taking it as a sign that everyone is supposed to be on the island even without the plane crashing. Remember at the time of the crash Ethan was already an other and was known to be able to leave the island as he was one who went to get Juliet.

 

The list that Ben told the others of who was needed from the plane was probably already wrote and when the plane didn't crash they have sent Ethan off the island to get them.

[ernierocker]

One interesting fact from last night was that Danielle was actually dead years before Oceanic 815 crashed.

 

There are a lot of similarities between Danielle and Claire. Both were pregnant when they came to the island. The Others attempt to take both babies (they are successful with Alex). Both, have evidently been killed and brought back to life. Both, become crazed, sharp shooters.

 

I think I have figured out why the Others always try to get the children and babies. Maybe, the smoke monsters (man in black) can easily possess children, so the Others must take them before he has a chance.

 

We also now know what the "sickness" is.

[Nicole.]

I really liked that Kate-Claire friendship going on. It was nice. It made me hate Kate a little less. But then seeing her follow Sawyer and reject Jack's little "lean in" revived my hate for her. I think that I am in shock about Juliet's death. I haven't been sad the least bit. I was kinda hoping Sawyer would try to kill Jack...That would have been interesting. I can't wait until next week!

[larrygator]

^^I think the children obsession is just so that they can replenish their ranks and and a child's mind is more pliable.

 

My first reaction when they showed Claire with the gun was that she was a new Rousseau. Does this mean she will eventually turn on Kate accusing her of stealing Aaron.

 

Do you mean that the "sickness" is something claiming the bodies? Or that once you have the sickness, you are actually no longer the living person you used to be but only served as a host for the smoke monster? My question is how exactly does one acquire the sickness?

 

I don't know where I'm going with the following:

We now have 3 people who were near death from gunshot wounds that mysteriously lived (Locke, when shot by Ben, Sayid and Ben himself).

We also have people whose dead bodies arrived on the island dead yet the Smoke Monster/Man in Black took their form (Christian, Yemi, Locke).

I think the smoke monster has only appeared in the form of dead people, is that correct?

 

Thanks everyone for clearing up the Ethan/Claire, Aaron's name question. When I rewatch the episode I'll pay closer attention.

[ernierocker]

That is correct, the smoke monster has only taken possession of those that have died. He also took possession of Jack's dad and Alex. Looks like he mainly uses them as ways of manipulating his plans. He used Jack's dad and Alex to convince Ben to bring Locke back to the island.

 

I think the "sickness" is when someone is consumed by the evil or dark force that exists on the island. I don't know if it is the smoke monster or something else. I think Danielle probably had it, but she was obsessed with finding Alex which might of saved her from going completely crazy. Same thing with Claire. She will probably be obsessed with finding Aaron, and yes I believe she will treat Kate in a similar manner to how Danielle treated Sayid at first.

[derek_lentz]

The list that Ben told the others of who was needed from the plane was probably already wrote and when the plane didn't crash they have sent Ethan off the island to get them.

The plane didn't crash on the island because the island is underwater. Ethan probably never went to the island in the first place in that reality.

[larrygator]

^Remember Ethan was born on the island, so that wouldn't change if this "Flash-Sideways" is actually is showing what happens if the plane never landed. i.e.: Ethan just left the island at some point in time via the sub and never returned.

 

As far as the island being underwater, TV Guide has an explaination that it sunk in 1977 with the explosion in the alternative storyline.

 

Time travel and alternative time lines just confuse the hell out of me!

[SharkTums]

Hilarious clip from E!'s show The Soup. If you're at all into Ben or Lost you have to watch this!!! Really amazing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJvaQuCh5c

[Ed]

Kate episodes are generally rubbish, due to the fact I just don't care about her and "love" on the show. The only awesome bits that saved this epsiode from being utter crap were Ethan showing up to help Claire with her baby (again..) and Sawyer being completely emotional and broken. I want to see him go old-school Sawyer on someones ass. Sayid can't act to save his life (*wimpers* they tortured me...) and I still want them to kill Jack suddenly and forget that he ever existed.

[larrygator]

^Sorry Ed, but I love Kate. I can not feel differently about Evangeline Lilly, until she ends up on Celebrity Fit Club.

[Cameron]

Kate annoys me too .. she's like a a middle-school girl .. however I did like that scene with her and the guy in the auto garage (when they removed her cuffs). But the scene with Kate and Sawyer on the pier was just magic, I loved it! (Mostly because of Sawyer and what it revealed about him).

 

OK here's my theory about the show - and I know it won't be popular - but you better keep your heads screwed on! The Island is a space-craft and Jacob and Nemesis (man in black, now playing Locke) are the pilots. They were sent to Earth thousands of years ago to study humans, and that's why Jacob has been bringing people to the Island. In the alternate time-line the Island is on the bottom of the sea because it (the space craft) sunk when the atom bomb went off. At the end of the season premier when the Nemesis (as Locke) said that he just wants to go home, he didn't mean off the Island - he meant off the planet. Smoke Monster might even be his native state. I mean "moving the island" is done by turning something that looks suspiciously like a giant steering wheel! Now either it looks like an Island because that was an explicitly selected disguise, or because it's been there so long that rock and trees have grown around it.

 

I also think that we'll see the survivors leading better lives in the alternate timelines, to highlight their sacrifice on the Island (at the hands of Jacob and Nemesis).

 

Cameron.

[larrygator]

^So you are saying the electromagnetic core on the island is the spacecraft's power source.

 

I like the theory! Not as much as I like Kate, but I like the theory.

[dandaman]

Found this in my e-mail inbox.

 

How to Make a Peanut Butter Sandwich, by the Losties

 

Jack

1. Gather ingredients

2. Point gun at ingredients and shout "HOW DO I MAKE A SANDWICH OUT OF YOU?!?!?"

3. Breathe heavily through your nose as though you were about to hit ingredients

4. Give up and make the sandwich yourself, and eat it bitterly

 

Kate

1. Make separate sandwiches, one with peanut butter and one with jelly

2. Take a bite of the peanut butter sandwich, declaring it the best

3. Take a bite of the jelly sandwich, declaring it the best

4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 ad infinitum

5. Follow peanut butter or jelly sandwich into grave danger

 

Sawyer

1. Throw the jar of jelly at wall, sneering "I don't need no sandwich"

2. Call the mascot on the jar of peanut butter lots of clever nicknames

3. Huff and puff and stomp around and grumble a lot

4. When no one's looking, make perfect, even, symmetrical peanut butter and jelly sandwich and sit in a corner, enjoying every bite

 

Locke

1. Sit idly by, believing that the ingredients will find a way to make a sandwich out of themselves

2. Lose faith and make the sandwich anyway

3. Realize that you were the instrument by which the ingredients chose to make a sandwich after all

4. Run around the room and grab everyone's knives, insisting that their sandwiches will do the same in time

 

Hurley

1. Make sandwich

2. Eat sandwich

3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 ad infinitum

 

Sayid

1. Procure 23 milligrams of uranium-20

2. Set hadron supercollider to eight megajoules

3. Program a sandwich-making macro using Cobol or Visual Basic

4. Act all tough-like

 

Desmond

1. Eat sandwich

2. Call the sandwich "brother"

3. Place peanut butter slice over jelly slice

4. Spread jelly on the other slice

5. Spread peanut butter on one slice

6. Take two slices of bread, a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly

 

Ben

1. Steal someone else's sandwich

2. Claim you coerced them into making the sandwich for you all along

3. Say you'll tell them everything if they make you another sandwich

4. Stare at them all creepy-like

 

Libby

1. Lay out plans for one of the most intricate, fascinating, and delicious sandwiches of all time

2. Just as you start making it, get shot

 

Danielle

1. Apply peanut butter

2. Disappear for eight months

3. Apply jelly

4. Disappear for eight months

5. Eat sandwich

[larrygator]

I think it was the best episode that did not involve a shooting or fight.

 

The whole "sideways" flash not being a true "sideways" threw me off a little.

 

I hate to believe Cameron's space alien theory, but can't think of anything that would disprove it.

[ernierocker]

Finally got to watch this week's episode. Did anyone else find the ghost kid creepy? My guess is that he is Jacob as a kid. Terry O'Quinn is doing some serious acting so far this season.

[stingrock23]

Yeah, he's been given a great opportunity to play basically 2 different characters, and he's knocking it out of the park.

 

I can't wait to see what other interactions Sideways-Locke and Ben have.

[larrygator]

^^I also think it is Jacob as a kid, but some people I work with say it is one of the two kids from Oceanic 815, but why would the kid leave the temple to taunt someone he is a threat.

[Cameron]

Oh the kid is definitely Jacob, and he'll be an adult again soon enough. Larry, after that episode I have abandoned my space-craft theory, although when Nemesis/Locke had Sawyer in the cave and said "I need to show you something", I was so waiting for it to be the exterior hull, or bridge or something like that!

 

Loved seeing Katey Segal again, I really like her character .. and alternate Ben and Rose were fun too. However I think we're pretty much done with Locke's alternate story, so I doubt we'll see them again; we need to get on with the story and the other characters and find out why everyone was brought to the island in the first place.

 

My new theory is no-where near as fun, but I think a whole lot more likely. Nemesis is basically a genie who's been trapped in the bottle (the Island) for a long, long time. Jacob has been responsible for keeping him in that bottle .. but Jacob is now dead (for a short while anyway), and the genie (Nemesis) must act fast in order to escape. Sawyer is actually conning Nemesis, and that's exactly why Jacob brought him there ..

 

Cameron.

[Ed]

I think that Jacob has known he's going to be bumped off somehow by the Man in Black, and therefore has been bringing people to the island for AGES (the black rock ship?) in trying to find a suitable person to succeed him when the time comes. That's what all the names are for. Sayid's name should really be crossed out since somehow the Man in Black has managed to revive him and sort of claim him.. Same as happened to Claire (I think she really did die when her house in otherville got blown up by the freighter people). Btw I like Feral Claire much better than the normal one. She seems to have a bit more character depth than the usual puddle we're used to.

 

Also I think that in season.. 4 when "Christian" told Locke to move the island, that was the Man in Black impersonating him because he knew that Locke would die and return and therefore he could find a Loophole with which to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. It's odd to go back and see everything that could have been the Man in Black impersonating people, Yemi, Christian, Dave, Kate's Horse (thats a big why even bother?), etc.

 

He's been trying to kill off the candidates but can't actually physically kill them because of "the rules". I think for people like Eko he wasn't a candidate but had a tie in with the island anyway.

[krazekiddd]

Here's an interview with Terry O'Quinn.

 

Interview

 

EW: Any hints you can provide about where we’re headed in the next chunk of episodes?

 

TO: My guy—Smokey, as I call him—has a plan and he has an objective, and he’s working toward it. The question is, ‘Is it for his own good or for the good of everyone?’ That’s still up for debate.

 

EW: The Man in Black/Locke/Smokey revelation was a major advancement of the Lost mythology. How did you feel about that twist?

 

TO: I thought it was one of the biggest leaps that people were going to have to take, in terms of suspension of disbelief. Like, “Okay. All right then.” But they’d already been set up because you knew Christian, Jack’s dad, was walking around and things like that. Somebody said, “Did Lost jump the shark?” and I said, “Either they always have or they didn’t.” You know? It’s just one more giant leap. People seem to have taken it in stride. I was afraid that it might be asking too much of an audience to accept that, but everybody seems to be dealing with it all right, so I’m real happy with that.

 

EW: Is it an honor to be the Smoke Monster?

 

TO: Oh, yeah. It’s fun to play. I mean, it’s just totally different from whatever John Locke was. Bad guys have better secrets. And if he’s a bad guy, he’s got a lot of secrets. And that’s what frustrates people. When [sawyer] says, “What are you?” and Smokey says, “What I am is trapped,” okay—you don’t pursue that question. Everybody else will go, “Well, what the hell does that mean? Who are you? Come on, man!” But we’re going to have to wait until another week to find that out.

 

EW: How did you go about playing this new character? It seems like a tricky needle to thread—as you’ve said, it’s “hard not to load things up, become arch.”

 

TO: Well, it is. Not because of any instruction, I chose to…. In the scene, for example, right after I told Ben I was Smokey – “I’m sorry you saw me like that”— occasionally there’s residual Locke emotions or feelings that Smokey gets that may surprise him, may irritate him, that he can’t completely control, so he’ll be smug or make fun of John Locke. Or say he was a loser and he was pathetic and he was broken. But for my own edification, I keep a little spark of John Locke alive in this being, whatever he is… so that if for any reason, anybody wants to summon that spark, it’s there. And I think sometimes Smokey’s indifference is my choice. Smokey’s puzzled by it: What is this persona he’s inhabited? Maybe it’s stronger than he thought it was. But that just gives me things to play in the scene, gives a little bit of color to a scene. And I enjoy it. He was moved when he told Ben that John Locke’s last thought was, “I don’t understand.” And he was surprised to be moved.

 

EW: In last week’s episode, Ilana said that Smokey is “recruiting,” and we saw him go after Richard Alpert and Sawyer. Is his first order of business to recruit all of the castaways?

 

TO: There’s some recruiting that goes on. We’re doing an episode now called “The Last Recruit.” He has a purpose. As you know, all of a sudden, they’re establishing all these rules. “You can’t do this unless this…” It’s like a children’s game. We keep making up new rules [laughs]. So the recruiting has to do with fulfilling the rules.

 

EW: What feedback are you getting from fans?

 

TO: People tell me they like Bad Locke: “I like the new dark guy.” And I say, “Well, that’s good. I’m having fun playing him. I don’t know if you’re going to like him when it’s all over, but as long as you’re liking watching.” It’s amazing to me—what is this love affair we have with bad guys? With the bad boy in high school, with the anti-hero, et cetera, et cetera? Because I was always just a very nice boy. I didn’t get it.

[larrygator]

Infected Claire kicks ass

 

They did a good job moving the story along only creating one new question, who is coming? I say Widmore!

 

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[Ed]

Absolutely LOVED Lighthouse. I've kinda hated Matthew Fox from the beginning because he just couldn't act / was given terrible scripts, but he was really good! The off island flash-sideways stuff was pretty different from his "normal life".

 

Oh and Claire is a total bad ass this season! I love it After a pretty shaky start they better keep this greatness going!