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Luckily, Toby grew into his.... Freak kitten! .... but still cute, huh?

Making their official TPR debut.... Toby & Mia Mia...9lbs, Toby...18lbs!!!

Born to Run - "The Boss"

^Well, that was fairly obvious. I thought you were gonna spring some cryptic information on us or something. I did find it odd that they couldn't get two different pics to back up they're position though. Oh well, time to put this thread to rest. Scott "A coaster which goes by one name is ONE coaster" B.

Wait. To be overrated, that would mean there's people out there who still admire this worthless waste of space? Hmmm, guess you learn something new everyday.

I've gotta second the motion on this! Make that double yawn. I just don't understand the interest in this coaster. Sure, historical significance is one thing, but that's definitely not enough to give it the annual praise it continues to receive, IMHO. Scott "is every ACEr required to vote for this thing each year?" B.

While I am not sure of the exact reason....I can tell you that is BS...Busch just yanks the seats off of the 1st 2 rows for ALL their inverts for the camera...it is not a special wheel assembly for that....., (see pic of Montu below) there are NO onboard controls...the train has metal that passes a "limit switch" that tells the Ride Computer (Not On Board!) where the train is and calculate how fast it got there and applies the brakes...accordingly The train would easily make it around the course without the 0 car Like Fanatic said ALL B&Ms have it....the "0" car spins laterally but not vertically for whatever reason.next time you are in the 2nd seat of a B&M invert see for yourself or a good trick is to hold your feet straight out...the first row stays the same distance in front of you through the loops....not so in any other row. I have been searching for the answer for 9 years and still have not found a logical one that makes any sense....IMO it is cosmetic...and has no real importance. IMO it is ugly and kills the speed effect in the 1st row Edit: Come to think about I did hear a semi-good reason once as it was for extra cusion in collisions and Ironically it had one opening weekend in 1998 JEFF This pic may dispute that claim about the first two rows. Sorry to be picky. I just thought two rows seemed a bit too much. Thank you, Johnnyupsidedown.com

^ I noticed that I was getting tired of looking at those pictures. Would you please enlighten us on what we were supposed to see?

I hope these along with Corey's will hold you over. http://www.lifthilltoheaven.com/Goliathpics.html

A park bench, watching it. Sorry, sad but true.

Soooo, this can be a legal way to potentially rub someone out, huh? Hmmm, Joe, what'ya say we go powerride M:S this week?

We'll I sure hope they get that darn high blood pressure and hold it accountable! You think they'll bring it in for questioning as to why it didn't identify itself to the woman beforehand?

I'm guessing that was meant to be directed this way? It was a mistake, much like Disney gambling on a worthless ride. Scott "wow, some people" B.

Actually, come to think of it, should we expect anything less from a politician? Lying before during, and after office...that's the American way, right?

Of course that's photoshopped. The streets of the French Quarter were never that clean even pre-Katrina! Someone really shoud've put mouse ears on her too. Pathetic.

Mission: Space may be an intense ride by Disney standards, but it's not all that intense in general. 2g's... that's all. Also, your body's perception of motion has very little to do with its actual physical effect. Thinking you're going forward when you're really going in circles makes no difference, especially at only 2g's. The forces involved with the ride are not those that real astronauts feel. Upon launch, an astronaut feels ~8g's. This ride delivers two. Compare it with other, more intense rides. Rollercoasters consistantly pull anywhere from 3-6g's. Disney knew exactly what they were building: a centrifuge ride. So long as people follow the warnings, there should have (and would have) been no major injuries. It's a dreadfull tragedy that these people have died. It truly is. But you cannot pin this on Disney. They clearly warn that M:S is intense, that people with heart problems should not ride, etc. In the case of the 4-year-old, can you really blame Disney if noone knew of the kid's condition? As for the German lady... you'd be supprised how many Europeans know English. Even if she didn't, what is Disney supposed to do? Post signs in every concievable language? It is a tragedy. But it is not Disney's fault. You cannot blame a corporation for the actions of those whom they have little knowledge of or contol over. -ACE Yeah, I understand that scientifically I could be way off base, it was only one theory. Either way, there has to be a corrolation somewhere. As someone stated, the number of incidents is relatively low for the number of people who walk through the gate in a year, but this ride IS unlike any other in the world, and again, one death not based on rider error is one death too many....especially in the "Happiest Place on Earth" (call off the hounds...I know that's technically on the DL sign ) Soren, how much would it cost to get you to talk? Just kidding At least the mouse can't stay silent about major accidents, injuries, or death anymore. Scott "are you sure TOGO didn't make this ride?" B.

^I second the motion.

Robb, that may be true, but death is quite a bit different than a moron falling off the tram.

Okay, here's my two cents. First of all, everyone is always so quick to jump on the "pre-existing condition" bandwagon, and try to pass it off as the rider's or guardian's fault for dying because of it. I believe someone else in here stated that these conditions are not always known...which is very true. Did someone not die on SFMM's Goliath once from a brain anuerism (sp?)or something of the like? I can't remember the last time I woke up and said, gee, maybe I should get my brain scanned today before I head out to the park.....just in case something may trigger sudden death, you know? I hate to sound like that idiot senator who tried to propose lowering g-forces, but I'm starting to feel that this is Disney's fault. I agree with Elissa that people fall into a "safe" feeling on what is essentially a vacation time. Of course the general public doesn't read signs, but should they need to be warned, or worse, even scared about potential death because they haven't had an extensive physical lately? I remember being a bit apprehensive while listening to Gary last year, and I was in good health. Disney knew full well what they were building. It took, what, half a decade or more to build this thing? Not to mention the brilliant minds of NASA along with many former astronauts. It's hard to believe that not one person said, "wait, don't you think we might be subjecting the general public to forces only professionals should feel?" Sure, on the surface it's a spinning ride, right? Well, sort of. Yes, most carnival type flat rides are based on the element of centrifugal force (Gravitron, for instance)....but M:S is not your normal Gravitron. In my completely unscientific opinion, the problem with this ride is that it tricks the mind into thinking the body is doing something it's not. When you're riding, your mind is tricked into feeling a forward motion, when in reality you're body is undoubtedly spinning. Does that make any sense? I'm no expert on the inner workings of this machine, but I do remember reading somewhere about how this essential centrifuge was altered to achieve these forward motion feelings. I mean, let's be realistic here. On certain centrifugal type carnival rides, yes you spin like crazy, but your body is able adapt to the direction in which you're heading. And if M:S was as simple as this premise, then why did it cost $100 million (insert Dr. Evil impression), and why are people dying? Surely you never had this many people dying on the Gravitron at your local fair. And if I'm wrong, I apologize, but remember who we're dealing with here....Disney...they can't afford continuing bad publicity like this. The simple fact is that Disney bowed to the critics who said they couldn't build more intense rides, and now they're paying for it. I don't care whether Disney welcomes 1 or 100,000,000 guests a year, 1 death on a ride that was too intense to begin with is one death too many. And when you can't blame rider error for an idiot standing up on a ride, or undoing a restraint, then it becomes solely the park's responsiblity for building it in the first place, IMHO. Disney knew they were pushing the limits. I shudder to think what this thing was like when it had it's cast member preview. My brother told me half the riders puked at one point. And it's been no secret that it's been toned down. All in all, this is very sad, and my prayers go out to the family affected. I just really feel that this ride never needed to be there in the first place. A death at Disney should never happen.....especially twice in such a short time. So I ask, what's next? A new Russian pavillion with Russian Roulette:The Ride? Sorry for the long-winded rant.

Elissa, may I please have "Why couldn't God have given Walt and Lillian a boy?" Thanks in advance!

^The only thing I know is that my eyes hurt now.

^Someone missed the point of this. I'll answer it for him....NO. Will this thread go on forever?

I'd have to give the nod to X. There was alot made of this thing when it debuted, and it caught the attention of many more people outside of the enthusiast community than we might think. Word travels fast about gimmicks like X, TTD and KK. It's hard to argue that they're not the focal points of each region they represent.

Ninja, now the best looking worst coaster in Georgia.

Well, since this is my first post in here, I thought I'd venture from the norm and present some interesting food for thought. Although BGW's plans for '07 look distinctly like another dive machine given all the current information, what are the chances that we'd ever see Drachen Fire resurrected? Okay, I'm obviously not talking about the actual mess of steel that used to stand in the park. I'm saying, what are the chances that B&M would ever be "re-hired" to bring the beast back from the dead? From everything that I've ever seen, read, or heard about the fabled coaster, it appeared to have one thing going for it...a really unique layout that would've been great had it gone as originally planned. For the coaster historians out there, correct me if I'm mistaken, but was it not originally B&M's design that they walked away from, citing not enough experience to continue the project correctly? I do know that Arrow finished it, and was probably undeservedly panned because the two companies styles didn't mesh well. So with all that said, and B&M obviously having the needed experience under their belt by now, does anyone think we'll ever see Drachen Fire reincarnated somewhere in the world? I wish I could've ridden it at least once.