Disneyland, rather than building something new.....

[COASTER FREAK 11]

In responce to th Fantasy Land Theater and Big Thunder Ranch - both of those venues bring an extra source of income for the park. Competitions are held at the theater at least once a month and companies rent out the ranch for their picnics and such. Both bring in tons of money for the park. My grandpa's company is even renting out the ranch for their picnic and it is costing quite a bit.

 

As for a new ride - The point was brought up that thy have never brought back an old ride. Thats true (I think), however that is not to say that they didnt make a mistake. And that is also not to say that they wont bring back a ride that has been taken out of another disney park.

 

I would like to see the people movers back in, it was very relaxing and I loved it. Also there is ample room to put a large ride(s) over next to BTRR where the pond is. There is also room on the front side of the Matterhorn in the old speed boat ride.

 

I like the idea of anything new to either of the parks, but I dont want them to loose their imagination and make Disneyland into Pixar's Movie World.

 

Chris "down with Pixar rides" Fourmont

 

ps. what is the Fire Mountain and Geyser rides?

[BeemerBoy]

 

The comment bringing natural wonders into this is pretty stupid. My opinion on projected action figures means I have no respect for historical landmarks? ...oh-kaaay

 

Hmmm, this discussion should probably have its own topic

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Okay chief, it's called sarcasm. Re-read the thread again, and try not to take everthing literally.

[J man]

I would just like to see more rides not based on movies. Expedition Everest, for example, is not based on any movie and is still a good ride.

 

Usually when disney takes rides and re-themes them to movies (Countdown to Extinction/Dinosaur, Alien Encounter/Stitch's Great Escape) the rides aren't as popular as they once were.

 

This is part of the reason I am concerned with the re-themeing of POTC. I'm just afraid that Captain Jack and all of his buddies are going to ruin a very good ride.

[BeemerBoy]

^ Agreed. With EE and several other examples aside, the "Imagineering" department is pathetic these days. 90% of what the company puts out goes against the very credo that Walt lived his professional life by.....NEVER REPEAT YOURSELF.

 

Note to The Walt Disney Company: It's really sad when Phantasialand (sp?) in Germany produces something to rival EE. It may be time to look in the mirror, put Lion King 141/3 on the back burner, stop relying on Pixar to improve your reputation, and start churning out original ideas on your own.

 

It's easy for everyone to always ask what would Walt do? Sometimes that answer can be complicated. In the case of POTC, Johnny Depp's mugg would never be immortalized in such a classic ride under Walt's supervision. By making these changes, you are simply admitting you are out of fresh ideas!

 

And that, my friends, is not what the company was built on.

[arrowfanman]

^^ Stitch made $140 million at the box office. Dinosaur made $133 million.

 

Pirates made $653 million.

 

 

Honestly, Pirates is a more popular film, and if anything, the ladies will be coming back for rerides.

 

 

-Jahan "Reminds me a bit of myself." Makanvand

[BeemerBoy]

^ Money never mattered to Walt. Creativy and originality did.

[Wes]

In the case of POTC, Johnny Depp's mugg would never be immortalized in such a classic ride under Walt's supervision. By making these changes, you are simply admitting you are out of fresh ideas!

 

How would you know what a guy who's been dead for 40 years would want? The whole "What Would Walt Do?" credo is so annoying, especially since you don't know how he would do with current marketing techniques and consumer trends. Make a dated ride more relevant to the youth market by adding recognizable characters from a hit movie? PREPOSTEROUS!!!

[BeemerBoy]

Yes, I agree times change, and the man would have too in many respects. I'm not arguing that. The only point I believe that would have held steadfast is that Walt would never go back and change something which was a proven success. If anything, he would have pulled the ride out before succumbing to a lack of creativity by "touching up" a classic.

 

Do you think DaVinci would go back and make the Mona Lisa smile more because sales of his painting reproductions were sagging?

 

Walt was a man of principals, and I think there's alot of folks out there who are with me on this.....Johnny Depp would never be seen on this classic. That's a safe call IMHO.

[Jew]

There's no such thing as a "safe call" on what man who has been dead for 40 years would do. But since we're playing...

 

"Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved. "-Walt Disney

 

Who is to say Walt wouldn't have "improved" Pirates by incorporating elements from his smash hit movie? Judging from Disneyland, it is clear he wasn't afraid to base rides on movies. Who is to say Walt would have even produced movies based on his rides in the first place?

 

The point is we don't freaking know, so why bother complaining about it? Nor is the ride even open yet for anyone to judge how good or bad the overlay is...but I guess that is besides the point.

[Wes]

And just as an example, Sleeping Beauty Castle opened four years before the "Sleeping Beauty" movie came out.

[BeemerBoy]

The point is we don't freaking know, so why bother complaining about it? Nor is the ride even open yet for anyone to judge how good or bad the overlay is...but I guess that is besides the point.

 

Who's complaining? Where I come from it's called discussing. You guys are entitled to your opinions. I respect that.

 

But since we're throwing out quotes from uncle Walt.....

 

"You hate to repeat yourself. I don't like to make sequels to my pictures. I like to take a new thing and develop something, a new concept."

 

"I've never believed in doing sequels. I didn't want to waste the time I have doing a sequel; I'd rather be using that time doing something new and different."

 

"To this day, I don't believe in sequels. I can't follow popular cycles. I have to move on to new things. So with the success of Mickey, I was determined to diversify."

 

 

Hmmm, I get the feeling he was against sequels, and/or repeating yourself. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[smallish]

I like the idea of anything new to either of the parks, but I dont want them to loose their imagination and make Disneyland into Pixar's Movie World.

 

Chris "down with Pixar rides" Fourmont

 

I love my avatar...

 

Like, I can't even keep up with which resort has Monsters Inc or Buzz, but it looks like in maybe 4 years every resort will have both.

 

And they aren't even good rides, unlike the B:TR clones.

 

Hey, every Pixar movie has at least two rides based off it, except Incredibles!

 

-Phillip "Next is Incredibles Super Hero Training Center for DCA!" Hodgson

[Wes]

^^ Okay, but then what about Walt's original idea for Fantasia, re-releasing it every year with new segments? Certainly that's taking a "classic" and adding new stuff into it.

[Jew]

^^^I guess Walt must not have been listening to himself when planning WDW before he passed away, considering that 20/23 of Magic Kingdom's opening day attractions were Disneyland clones with slight (if any) changes...

 

But that's the point. There's really no way to know what Walt would think of the Pirates overlay, so why bother trying to think about? Just take the attraction for what it is, and either enjoy or dislike it....when it opens.

[Gnome]

Honestly, Pirates is a more popular film, and if anything, the ladies will be coming back for rerides.

 

 

-Jahan "Reminds me a bit of myself." Makanvand

 

And the women come back for rerides? Do tell!

[BeemerBoy]

^^ Okay, but then what about Walt's original idea for Fantasia, re-releasing it every year with new segments? Certainly that's taking a "classic" and adding new stuff into it.

 

Okay, good point. You could say, in his mind, it was never a "finished" product at that point? Also, as he originally planned to re-release it each year, it would be hard to consider something a classic after just the first year. I'll give you that one, though, even if he never did follow through on it.

 

The way I'm viewing it is that Pirates is a completed project, and has been for decades. I highly doubt he would tinker with it after so much public acclaim. Being the perfectionist that he was, I'm sure he thought about how to "improve" things until the day he died, yet as Jew eluded to, the only real improvement came in what Jew interpreted as a clone, and that was WDW.

 

Many things were the same as DL, but it was done out of necessity. The plan was to give as many Americans as possible the chance to visit. Cross country travel was not the same as it is today. Having an east coast "clone" if you will, gave more people the opportunity to experience what they had only been able to see on the Wonderful World of Disney.

 

The "improvement" came from what he learned from DL....and that was securing enough land to creatively expand. Technically Jew, yes, it was a copy. I can't argue that point, but if that's the only flaw in my argument of never repeating yourself, then it's still pretty strong considering what evolved out of Florida swampland (I'm still upset with the parents for passing on that central florida land just before Walt showed up )

 

Anyway, I'll finish with my original point. I'm just overall disappointed that today's Imagineers fall short of their predecessors in so many ways. From remaking every live action and animated film in the vault, to putting Depp in a timeless classic ride, it just makes me sad to see the way things have gone downhill in the creative department.

[DATman]

^Yeah, I mean Everest, JTA, ToT, CA Screamin, Haunted Mansion Holiday, Buzz, and MS are miles behind rides like Snow White's Scary Adventures, starring the ever-popular bat on a stick...

[BeemerBoy]

With EE and several other examples aside, the "Imagineering" department is pathetic these days.

 

^ I really hate to quote myself, but sometimes it simply calls for it. If you'll notice, the term "several other examples" was used. That would refer to great ride ideas such as ToT, Indy, Buzz, and although a bust....M:S. Guess you missed that, huh? I never said everything they make sucks, but alot does, IMHO.