DILinator Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Reading through all of this, I am struck by a similar chord of pessimism, and frustration that I (as well as many other Michiganders - enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts alike) know quite well regarding Michigan's Adventure. However, I do have to say, that compared to them, you guys are making out like kings! So, as frustrating as the growing pains you are going through may seem, take heart that there are other parks' fans who truly have no reason to hope for better days on the horizon, and have endured a bigger drought. At least HWFan has stated that you're going to love where your park's at by 2020! I'd love to hear that from somebody "in the know" about MiA, but I'm reasonably certain at this point that nobody's going to say that, because it's simply not going to be the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I don't always trust Screamscape, but he mentioned in a new article that Six Flags has been looking at new flat rides to put in next season in place of planned Larson Giant Loops since the ones across the chain have been having mechanical errors. A Zamperla air race mounted on a tower (like SkyScreamer) looks to be a main contender, and I would not complain one bit about them adding one to SFSTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisGraslie Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I don't always trust Screamscape, but he mentioned in a new article that Six Flags has been looking at new flat rides to put in next season in place of planned Larson Giant Loops since the ones across the chain have been having mechanical errors. A Zamperla air race mounted on a tower (like SkyScreamer) looks to be a main contender, and I would not complain one bit about them adding one to SFSTL. I think the park would back off that idea since its a little bit maybe too similiar to SkyScreamer like you said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't always trust Screamscape, but he mentioned in a new article that Six Flags has been looking at new flat rides to put in next season in place of planned Larson Giant Loops since the ones across the chain have been having mechanical errors. A Zamperla air race mounted on a tower (like SkyScreamer) looks to be a main contender, and I would not complain one bit about them adding one to SFSTL. I think the park would back off that idea since its a little bit maybe too similiar to SkyScreamer like you said I doubt the tower would be nearly as tall (probably less than 100 feet), and the sensation of the rotating "planes" would be totally different than the sensation of the swings on SkyScreamer. They're totally different experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveStL Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Reading through all of this, I am struck by a similar chord of pessimism, and frustration that I (as well as many other Michiganders - enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts alike) know quite well regarding Michigan's Adventure. However, I do have to say, that compared to them, you guys are making out like kings! So, as frustrating as the growing pains you are going through may seem, take heart that there are other parks' fans who truly have no reason to hope for better days on the horizon, and have endured a bigger drought. At least HWFan has stated that you're going to love where your park's at by 2020! I'd love to hear that from somebody "in the know" about MiA, but I'm reasonably certain at this point that nobody's going to say that, because it's simply not going to be the case... I guess we feel your pain DILinator. I am not familar with MiA so I can't say much about it, but the last 15 years at SFSTL are not growing pains. The park is over 40 years old, it is Middle-Aged (or older???). It needs attention, not drastically, but a descent amount of attention. We all know it will never become a King's Island or Great America, but when a small park like Holiday World outdoes us or even Kentucky Kingdom in 2016 then someone at Corp must take notice. Again Justice Leaque is a big Win but they can't stop there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisGraslie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 So there was a big burst of Fright Fest news overnight, and it seems we are getting two new mazes, Wrecker's Salvage and Camp Killamore, and also the revival of the 'Vengeful Trolls' Scare Zone from back in 2011, and plus all existing Scare Zones and Mazes from last year will return, as well as all the shows. So we're not getting nothing after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I guess we feel your pain DILinator. I am not familar with MiA so I can't say much about it, but the last 15 years at SFSTL are not growing pains. The park is over 40 years old, it is Middle-Aged (or older???). It needs attention, not drastically, but a descent amount of attention. We all know it will never become a King's Island or Great America, but when a small park like Holiday World outdoes us or even Kentucky Kingdom in 2016 then someone at Corp must take notice. Again Justice Leaque is a big Win but they can't stop there. I suppose the term "growing pains" doesn't really apply, to either SFStL or MiA. MiA is actually going on 60 years old next year, though it didn't start being a "coaster park" until 36 years ago. Either way, I'm just saying that our park was on a clear, upward trajectory as the 90's ended, and there was a lot of optimism about where it was going. Cedar Fair has effectively killed all of that... People still go, especially since West Michigan is a hot summer vacation destination already, but nobody I talk to about it (I'm talking GP, non-enthusiast types - adults, not kids) is ever really excited about the place anymore. It just kind of "exists", and is something to do if you're not doing anything else. It certainly could be more, but honestly, I don't think CF wants it to be that... I do see, however, that SFStL is in a similarly "neglected" spot among SF parks, as there are really only three I identified, who have gone an extended period without a "new" coaster (not relocated): Great Escape, Six Flags America, and you guys. But you did get JL:BFM, which is no doubt awesome when it's working, and will be a regular blast for you once they gets the "bugs" ironed out! I would love such an addition at MiA, for instance, even though it's not a coaster (though, I can't think of a Peanuts one themed well enough to duplicate the excitement of the Justice League!) Like I said, at least HWFan seems to think things are heading in a good direction for you. Until then, we'll both have to just commiserate with each other I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 So there was a big burst of Fright Fest news overnight, and it seems we are getting two new mazes, Wrecker's Salvage and Camp Killamore, and also the revival of the 'Vengeful Trolls' Scare Zone from back in 2011, and plus all existing Scare Zones and Mazes from last year will return, as well as all the shows. So we're not getting nothing after all Wrecker's Salvage is the train ride, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Does someone pee in prozach626 cheerios everyday? It's just part of working in the criminal justice field. You get used to the taste of piss... If you were to skip ahead and visit the park opening day of 2020, it would blow you away. Although it would be great if you were right, you understand why I want to facepalm at that comment, right? If I could skip back five years ago we had plenty of people saying "By 2015 this park is going to be great!" (hyper coaster included) If I rely on past experience, being relatively stagnant since Freeze, why get my hopes up? I'm not trying to dog you, HWFan. I think you're activity here is great and appreciated. I'm not trying to be as negative as I know I'm coming off. I'm just analyzing from my past experience, which I have found to be the most accurate way of predicting the park's future as of yet. I don't expect anything from the park or foolishly feel like it owes me something. Someone else said it best where it just seems like a place where I'd go if I didn't have anything else to do or anywhere else to go. Maybe that will be the case this summer, as I'm on a daytime Monday-Friday schedule now, but if we can find some extra time to go somewhere else we probably will. I just know the last time I visited the park was when Freeze was ruined for me. I remembered being but hurt that it wasn't the same ride (for me) that I used to crave, because it got destroyed for what was more or less a cheap trick to market a new attraction. That wouldn't be so if we'd gotten something decent for the conversion not to feel like a fresh blow to my picture of the park. I do see, however, that SFStL is in a similarly "neglected" spot among SF parks, as there are really only three I identified, who have gone an extended period without a "new" coaster (not relocated): Great Escape, Six Flags America, and you guys. True, but SFA does have Superman, which is a large marketable star attraction for the park. The closest thing we have to a star or highlight attraction is a wooden roller coaster that will shake your fillings loose. I'm actually surprised SFA has done as well as it has being so close to KD and Busch. I feel like SFSTL has no desire to do anything but pull from the limited local market, being pretty much exclusively the St. Louis metro area. Calling it the Coaster Capital of MO does nothing. It's like going to a sports bar which brags about having the largest menu in the area, but everything on the menu is bland. I'd rather go to a place with fewer menu items that are better quality. I've said it a lot. It's nothing against the park, but it doesn't have anything that makes me want to go back. Kind of like WOF. I guess you can't please everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 ^Prozach, I totally respect your choice to not visit the park until they add something that interests you, and I agree that the chances of a large steel coaster coming our way soon are very low. However (and this isn't just directed at you), just because a new dark ride doesn't interest you doesn't mean our park is "neglected". Justice League had to have cost around $10-15 million, which is no small amount. It's obvious SFSTL is trying to transform into a family park, and not a giant thrill park, like SFMM. Would I love a giant new hyper RMC? Of course, but that doesn't seem to be the direction the park is headed. (Oh, and while it really doesn't compare to rides like Spider-Man at IoA (IMHO), JLBFM is BY FAR the best dark ride in the Midwest, so at least SFSTL has that going for them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I haven't been back to MiA for years, as a semi-protest for CF's lack of new investment there, but I'm taking my family there in a few days for my kids' first visit. I'm sure we'll have an awesome time, but that doesn't mean I'm not still disappointed with how CF has chosen to manage the park to essentially freeze it in time. So, I don't blame you Prozach for your approach to SFStL. I went to SFStL back in 2003, I think it was, and frankly, it hasn't changed much since then. I DO want to go back (mostly for American Thunder), but it certainly hasn't made itself a priority. JL:BFM is a really nice addition, however, so count your blessings for that ride, even though it's down currently. I hadn't really thought about it, but the lack of a Hyper coaster there is really conspicuous when you do think about it. Hopefully you'll get something along the lines of a S:RoS in the next few years! At least Six Flags seems willing to consider their smaller parks viable entities for sizable additions, which JL:BFM proves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I hadn't really thought about it, but the lack of a Hyper coaster there is really conspicuous when you do think about it. Hopefully you'll get something along the lines of a S:RoS in the next few years! At least Six Flags seems willing to consider their smaller parks viable entities for sizable additions, which JL:BFM proves. As much as everybody wants a new steel hyper, I'm hoping for an RMC similar to Goliath, but hopefully a bit longer. If RMC Boss ain't happening, I'd like SOMETHING from them, and a brand-new woodie would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFZIP Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Justic League didn't cost over $10 million, since there were two built and the buildings were already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Justic League didn't cost over $10 million, since there were two built and the buildings were already there. That's surprising to me. The building itself was completely redone (filled in trough, air conditioning moved to roof, new walls, etc.), the ride vehicles are top of the line, the two animatronics are crazily realistic, the sets, screens, and lighting are well done, the queue is nice, the facade is awesome, and (even though the cost was split) the animation had to have been expensive. I can't believe the ride was less than $10 million with all of those factors added up, but I'll take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWFan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Only have a second here and was only able to skim the posts above. Anyway... 1. Prozach, I understand your sentiment, but in 2009/2010, Six Flags was filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and was delisted from the NYSE. Today, Six Flags is at it's strongest point ever and doesn't show signs of slowing growth. That is exactly why the people saying that in 2010 may have been a little bit off (that's not to say that the park hasn't made lots of improvements since then). 2. Although you may have a hard time believing it, SFZIP knows his JLBM facts here. There are a lot of factors that make up the price of JLBM, but I can't go into specifics. Opening two of the rides did really make a big difference though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Don't get me wrong. I'm not protesting or boycotting the park. I just don't really have much of a reason to go. The only reason I've been considering it lately is that I don't want a 10 month coaster drought and it looks like planning another coaster getaway this year might be out of the picture. I brought up the idea of going to the park up with my wife and she frowned at me. I had to warm her up to the idea with promises of evening beer breaks, like we do at other parks. haha. I'm sure if we go we'll end up having a good time. I just wish things would have turned out differently with our park and SFcorp as a whole. On a side note, I will say that it's pretty cool that my wife is actually starting to enjoy the hobby. She's actually been asking a lot more questions this year than she ever has. She had such a great time at BGW that it's kind of sparked an interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveStL Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) She had such a great time at BGW that it's kind of sparked an interest. BGW is an awesome park ... incredible actually. The Rides, Theming, and surrounding Landscape would make anyone a theme park junkie. Edited August 1, 2015 by SteveStL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prozach626 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 We had an absolute blast. The atmosphere and themeing was fantastic, without being over done or childish. It was like an adult paradise. We enjoyed every ride, except my wife didn't care for Tempesto. I thought it was OK. We still get the blues when we use our Busch Gardens wine tasting glasses. The one thing I didn't get was Apollo's Chariot. It was fun, but I think it probably ranks as one of my least favorite B&M hypers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSTLMO Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I hadn't really thought about it, but the lack of a Hyper coaster there is really conspicuous when you do think about it. Hopefully you'll get something along the lines of a S:RoS in the next few years! At least Six Flags seems willing to consider their smaller parks viable entities for sizable additions, which JL:BFM proves. As much as everybody wants a new steel hyper, I'm hoping for an RMC similar to Goliath, but hopefully a bit longer. If RMC Boss ain't happening, I'd like SOMETHING from them, and a brand-new woodie would be awesome. To be honest, I'd rather have something more unique for the region like a hyper. Literally every park in our region (except for WoF) has gotten or will be getting an RMC. A hyper (which will never happen of course) would be more unique and more marketable for our region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartmannHunter22 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I hadn't really thought about it, but the lack of a Hyper coaster there is really conspicuous when you do think about it. Hopefully you'll get something along the lines of a S:RoS in the next few years! At least Six Flags seems willing to consider their smaller parks viable entities for sizable additions, which JL:BFM proves. As much as everybody wants a new steel hyper, I'm hoping for an RMC similar to Goliath, but hopefully a bit longer. If RMC Boss ain't happening, I'd like SOMETHING from them, and a brand-new woodie would be awesome. If we were to get an RMC and it wasn't the boss, I am sure it would be an I-Box, making it a hybrid not a woody. Definitely not a topper track, as we don't need 4 woodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 ^I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't understand why you think that we'd get the first I-Box/wooden original or why you would be so sure of that? Unless there's something you know than we don't, your conclusion is more of a guess. Although I should punch myself in the face for the redundant speculation, I do agree that at this point a traditional B&M Hyper would be a more marketable attraction than a RMC. Especially since I don't think anyone would be too surprised if RMC trailers were to make an appearance around Legend at HW. However, I think we've got as good of a chance of receiving a traditional hyper as me winning the lotto... Which is especially slim, since I don't play the lotto. In the order of roller coaster likeliness within the next few years I see: 1) Flippidy-do-da whatever they're called at SFFT. Is this a fun ride? I'm sure, but it has the (my) personal appeal of a good flat. 2) A Premier forwards-backwards, slow roll annnnd that was!!! ... OK, but not memorable Tempesto/Superman clone. Other than that, met with slight optimism are pictures of a semi-inspiring wing rider or some type of RMC project, whether it be a budget job on Boss or something new, which would be harder to market as the parks FOURTH wooden coaster. Pipe dreams include something with 200 feet and loads of floater air. Of course all of this will happen after the introduction of SFSTL's new 2017 attraction: Boomerang: Reverse Head Bang. 2016? My bets are on a slide complex. yay. If we're lucky (IMO), we'll get a flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARLEYGUYJB Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 SIx Flags St. Louis Fright Fest Website. New attractions are listed. http://frightfest.sixflags.com/stlouis/frights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartmannHunter22 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 ^I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't understand why you think that we'd get the first I-Box/wooden original or why you would be so sure of that? Unless there's something you know than we don't, your conclusion is more of a guess. Exactly, it is. Thats what is was meant to be. Im just saying it would make more since for it to be a hybrid don't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisGraslie Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Seems like Six Flags is wasting no time putting up decor for Fright Fest this year! Also heard the Headless Horseman is in his place This could also be just an ad/promo for it but still cool! Can't wait for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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