4D coaster model

[mcjaco]

The technology the model demonstrates is.

 

After watching the videos, I'm curious as to how the trains attach to the third rail. I think some close ups of the actual models would help.

 

You are absolutely correct. I have no excuse for that, and I apologize. I should certainly know better than that. Ccron, I owe you an apology as well, that was quite childish of me.

 

No worries, Ccron is very aware of his......shortcomings.....in completing projects. It's all a learning experience!

[FeelTheFORCE]

The only way to make the speed seem correct on a scale model like that would be to make it into a powered coaster with enough friction that you could accurately create what the ride would be like...

Point is, there is no practical way. The best thing to do is film it in slow motion. Looks great. I'll try to find a friend with a camera that does that.

 

The speed debate is nothing new. The technology the model demonstrates is.

 

You could create some sort of computer model. Those programs tend to be fairly expensive, but there are many people around here, and other sites, that are very good with things like that. You could contact one of them to possibly help you out. Here's one example, and here'a another. Only two of many.

 

 

At any rate, I'm glad I'm not the only one who daydreams about new coaster designs. I'm just too lazy to do anything about it. Your creation looks great, and I hope to ride it someday!

Edited December 9, 2010 by FeelTheFORCE

[Vekoma Fan Boy]

The only way to make the speed seem correct on a scale model like that would be to make it into a powered coaster with enough friction that you could accurately create what the ride would be like...

Point is, there is no practical way. The best thing to do is film it in slow motion. Looks great. I'll try to find a friend with a camera that does that.

 

The speed debate is nothing new. The technology the model demonstrates is.

 

You could create some sort of computer model. Those programs tend to be fairly expensive, but there are many people around here, and other sites, that are very good with things like that. You could contact one of them to possibly help you out. Here's one of many examples.

 

 

At any rate, I'm glad I'm not the only one who daydreams about new coaster designs. I'm just too lazy to do anything about it. Your creation looks great, and I hope to ride it someday!

 

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

Also, for convenience to viewers of this thread, here are the videos.

 

Regular/Type 1(?) 4D Coaster:

Type 2 4D Coaster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmV35sdvOPA

Edited December 10, 2010 by Moose

[FeelTheFORCE]

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

I realize that, but my point was to not just stop there. Looking at basically every major ride reveal, there are always some sort of concept videos/pictures that are entirely animation to go along with the announcement. In my opinion, something like that is what catches people's attention more (or the biggest names in the industry wouldn't constantly be using them), and really adds the "wow factor" to whatever it is they're revealing. Don't get me wrong, his model and presentation were both excellent, it's just that I could see a lot of people simply thinking of it as "cute," and not taking him as serious as he would like.

[Vekoma Fan Boy]

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

I realize that, but my point was to not just stop there. Looking at basically every major ride reveal, there are always some sort of concept videos/pictures that are entirely animation to go along with the announcement. In my opinion, something like that is what catches people's attention more (or the biggest names in the industry wouldn't constantly be using them), and really adds the "wow factor" to whatever it is they're revealing. Don't get me wrong, his model and presentation were both excellent, it's just that I could see a lot of people simply thinking of it as "cute," and not taking him as serious as he would like.

 

I would think that the big names in the industry use expensive animations like those (which are usually done by an outside party) simply because they can afford to, and because its more catching to the public(!) eye. I think if he presented all of the necessary drawings to a real ride engineer or developer, it would speak volumes more than a flashy rendering.

[New4D]

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

I did those detailed engineering drawings BY HAND. Computer skills are, unfortunately one area where I am a bit behind. However, the primary reason I made a working model instead of a computer model is that a computer does not prove that something works. I have seen a LOT of impossible animations, demonstrations, and simulations. A physical model show that either it works or it doesn't.

 

That being said, a good computer model would be a convincing and fantastic complement to a physical model. But time and money....

[Vekoma Fan Boy]

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

I did those detailed engineering drawings BY HAND. Computer skills are, unfortunately one area where I am a bit behind. However, the primary reason I made a working model instead of a computer model is that a computer does not prove that something works. I have seen a LOT of impossible animations, demonstrations, and simulations. A physical model show that either it works or it doesn't.

 

That being said, a good computer model would be a convincing and fantastic complement to a physical model. But time and money....

 

 

Really? By hand? I have to hand it to you (no pun intended), that is extremely impressive!

[FeelTheFORCE]

By the detailed Engineering drawings he has, (shown in the video) it appears that he already has AutoCAD or similar.

 

I realize that, but my point was to not just stop there. Looking at basically every major ride reveal, there are always some sort of concept videos/pictures that are entirely animation to go along with the announcement. In my opinion, something like that is what catches people's attention more (or the biggest names in the industry wouldn't constantly be using them), and really adds the "wow factor" to whatever it is they're revealing. Don't get me wrong, his model and presentation were both excellent, it's just that I could see a lot of people simply thinking of it as "cute," and not taking him as serious as he would like.

 

I would think that the big names in the industry use expensive animations like those (which are usually done by an outside party) simply because they can afford to, and because its more catching to the public(!) eye. I think if he presented all of the necessary drawings to a real ride engineer or developer, it would speak volumes more than a flashy rendering.

 

Perhaps the fact that he was "missed by a large portion of his target audience," means that something more flashy is needed? After all, he can't present those drawings if he doesn't even catch their eye in the first place.

 

I did those detailed engineering drawings BY HAND. Computer skills are, unfortunately one area where I am a bit behind. However, the primary reason I made a working model instead of a computer model is that a computer does not prove that something works. I have seen a LOT of impossible animations, demonstrations, and simulations. A physical model show that either it works or it doesn't.

 

That being said, a good computer model would be a convincing and fantastic complement to a physical model. But time and money....

 

Those drawings are great! Regarding the physical model, makes sense, I wouldn't have done it differently. I was simply suggesting to not stop and just leave it at that, but to instead keep pushing! As I'm sure you are.

 

Sure it's not cheap, but you have to spend money to make money...as they say...or also no risk, no reward. That's why I posted those examples, you never know who you might come across that could help you out with something like that. Networking is key in almost everything you do in life.

[New4D]

I didn't miss some of my target as in "they passed me by" but as in "I'm in the wrong isle". I got the impression that the big guns have their familiar haunts that they plan on visiting and they basically don't see the show.

[aceospades1250]

How do you plan on supporting the seats? The connection between them and the cars looks pretty weak in your diagram. Personally, I would put the seats closer to the car, so that there is less force placed on the axle the seats spin on.

[Moose]

Wow, those drawings are mighty impressive. They are so detailed that if done computer they would still be impressive.

 

I wonder how broadly Arrow wrote their patents. Although this is a new way to rotate the seats, it could still fall under their patent depending on how it was written.

[Pablo237]

I hope to see and ride this design sometime in the future. You have a genius concept here and have lots of potential with it. I am sure this will launch into a full-sized coaster somewhere on this planet. You should be proud that you came up with this design when nobody else could.

 

Also this smaller and less expensive design could last longer due to less parts. More parts taking all this g-force could make it decay to fatigue faster. Since your design has less parts, it could last longer for continuous use.

 

I loved that hint you said in your video. Instead of bankrupting your company. Kudos to Arrow!

[djbrcace1234]

I'm no Engineer, nor a designer, but only having one rail to move these cars (which I'm sure will be heavy) on, wouldn't this rail be subjected to extremely high lateral forces considering this coaster relays on circular movement rather then linear? I mean, I can understand simple maneuvers, but with some of these "wow" maneuvers seem to project a lot of strain on the track.

 

If someone can help clarify this, I would appreciate it.

[Skramp]

I think it's an incredible idea!! I might offer one other aspect.....what if you had a rail on top of the strong back and one underneath? You could offer a "floorless" and "suspended" ride all in one.?? My main question is what kind of stress or fatigue would it put on that main "strongback" having that many forces pulling it in different directions? It seems that would be the greatest liability in that it may suffer failures quicker than most "strongbacks" on traditional designs?

[simon8899]

AS I think that it's an interesting concept I also think that a company picking the track-layout up has to come up with a different train-system. The one featured in the vids is definetly to close to the Arrow/S&S system and I think they would sue against this trains for patent reasons.

 

Or the best way for him would be to try with S&S Power....

[805Andrew]

I saw the two videos in the locked thread. I first one looks very similar to X2's design, but I am intrigued by the second design. I wish he would have ran the car through the track on the second design. So is the guy in the You Tube video working independently or with a design/engineering firm?

[the ghost]

I haven't really seen this since this is in games, models, and other randomness... but this is amazing technology. It literally astounds me at what can be accomplished here... but does it actually work. Robb... if you read this thread PLEASE stop and see this guy at IAPPA in November... I'd love to hear if this has progressed at all!

[Reviar]

Rob know's a lot of people. He should be helping with this being shown to park owners and whatnot. And then come build one in Sweden ok?