Valleyfair (VF) Discussion Thread

[jordanwilcox11]

What's your point?

 

That Valleyfair sucks goat balls.

[coasterbill]

Also, keep in mind that La Ronde is in biking distance of downtown Montreal and has their own Métro station making it minutes away from everyone in a city of about 1.7 million people (about 3 times that of the Minneapolis / St. Paul population) and much more easily accessible to everyone in the city. Also keep in mind that La Ronde is a desolate sh*thole and Valleyfair is an infinitely better park.

 

Anyway. This conversation isn't worth having. It's clear that your only justification for any of this is that you personally want Valleyfair to go out and build a huge multi million dollar coaster, you're completely ignoring all points about population density, attendance and projected ROI. This discussion could be worth having, it's not like the idea that the park could benefit from such a coaster is that outlandish, but you don't seem to want to have a real discussion. It seems like you just want to bitch and not respond to anything that anyone is saying.

[jordanwilcox11]

Also, keep in mind that La Ronde is in biking distance of downtown Montreal and has their own Métro station making it minutes away from everyone in a city of about 1.7 million people (about 3 times that of the Minneapolis / St. Paul population) and much more easily accessible to everyone in the city. Also keep in mind that La Ronde is a desolate sh*thole and Valleyfair is an infinitely better park.

 

Anyway. This conversation isn't worth having. It's clear that your only justification for any of this is that you personally want Valleyfair to go out and build a huge multi million dollar coaster, you're completely ignoring all points about population density, attendance and projected ROI. This discussion could be worth having, it's not like the idea that the park could benefit from such a coaster are is outlandish, but you don't seem to want to have a real discussion. It seems like you just want to bitch and not respond to anything that anyone is saying.

 

Greater Montreal and greater Twin Cities are both at about 4 million in population. They have 2 B&M's. Valleyfair has coasters from the days of Ben Franklin

[coasterbill]

There are 1.7 million people who can hop on a subway that takes them to the front gate of La Ronde in a matter of minutes, a park with absolutely no competition to speak of. Also, Montreal is a popular tourist destination that brings in a ton of visitors from around the world. Minneapolis is not.

 

And once again... if you're using La Ronde as an example of what you want your park to be, you're doing it wrong.

[jordanwilcox11]

There are 1.7 million people who can hop on a subway that takes them to the front gate of La Ronde in a matter of minutes, a park with absolutely no competition to speak of. Also, Montreal is a popular tourist destination that brings in a ton of visitors from around the world. Minneapolis is not.

 

And once again... if you're using La Ronde as an example of what you want your park to be, you're doing it wrong.

 

I just think it's sad that I wish we were at least La Ronde as the baseline. But nope, Valleyfair has defined a new low baseline.

[coasterbill]

You've never actually been to La Ronde have you? It's the worst corporate park ever. It makes Six Flags America look like Tokyo Disney Sea.

Edited December 28, 2016 by coasterbill

[jordanwilcox11]

You've never actually been to La Ronde have you? It's the worst corporate park ever. It makes Six Flags America look like Tokyo Disney Sea.

 

I've been to 6 Flags America. That is heaven compared to Valleyfail.

[coasterbill]

... so that's a no.

[jordanwilcox11]

... so that's a no.

 

I could give 2 pennies that Valleyfail has fun theming and a marching band whistling through it. Give me a B&M. Epic fail.

[DirkFunk]

Six Flags America's B&M is a rough as hell 26 year old used standup. They've only gotten hand-me-downs from Six Flags Great America for the last 15 years and the operations are total garbage. Do you think if you had spent the last decade+ years riding Superman instead of Wild Thing that you'd be satiated?

[coasterbill]

^^I find it amusing that you think that just because La Ronde has 2 B&M's that means you can actually ride them. At least at Valleyfair the coasters are actually staffed, open and trains are dispatched occasionally. The rides at La Ronde are just there for decoration.

[jordanwilcox11]

^^I find it amusing that you think that just because La Ronde has 2 B&M's that means you can actually ride them. At least at Valleyfair the coasters are actually staffed, open and trains are dispatched occasionally. The rides at La Ronde are just there for decoration.

 

Right. But this is exactly my point. You look at a company like Apple. Every product they make is the highest quality. If these companies are going to have some parks that are not the highest quality, they should let them go and put more wood behind fewer arrows.

[boldikus]

I find it funny when people are online all like "give me a B&M" or "give me " as if the park should cater to your lone demand. Sorry that you live in bumblef*ck but how about you whiners just move to somewhere that actually has B&Ms?

 

There are plenty.

 

I have 5 of them within a 45 minute drive of my house.

Edited December 28, 2016 by boldikus

[coasterbill]

^^I find it amusing that you think that just because La Ronde has 2 B&M's that means you can actually ride them. At least at Valleyfair the coasters are actually staffed, open and trains are dispatched occasionally. The rides at La Ronde are just there for decoration.

 

Right. But this is exactly my point. You look at a company like Apple. Every product they make is the highest quality. If these companies are going to have some parks that are not the highest quality, they should let them go and put more wood behind fewer arrows.

 

Okay, so you think Cedar Fair should sell off a bunch of profitable parks because you personally want a B&M? Got it.

[jordanwilcox11]

^^I find it amusing that you think that just because La Ronde has 2 B&M's that means you can actually ride them. At least at Valleyfair the coasters are actually staffed, open and trains are dispatched occasionally. The rides at La Ronde are just there for decoration.

 

Right. But this is exactly my point. You look at a company like Apple. Every product they make is the highest quality. If these companies are going to have some parks that are not the highest quality, they should let them go and put more wood behind fewer arrows.

 

Okay, so you think Cedar Fair should sell off a bunch of profitable parks because you personally want a B&M? Got it.

 

No, I think Cedar Fair should sell Valleyfair and put their resources toward parks they care about, and then let a private owner take over Valleyfair like what happened with Kentucky Kingdom and put some love and care into what is currently a crater of epic fail.

[Mr. Corn]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

[jordanwilcox11]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

 

Adventureland became a destination park with just 1 cheap coaster. Valleyfail can't even manage that hat trick.

[coasterbill]

No, I think Cedar Fair should sell Valleyfair and put their resources toward parks they care about

 

According to you they're already "putting their resources toward parks they care about" and "ignoring Valleyfair*" so why the hell would they sell a park that makes them money and requires minimal investment in order to do that? Because some guy on the internet wants a B&M? Hang on... I'm sure they'll get right on that.

 

*(with major waterpark upgrades, great new, modern areas with new rides and a really cool Star Flyer)

 

Adventureland became a destination park

 

[Mr. Corn]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

 

Adventureland became a destination park with just 1 cheap coaster. Valleyfail can't even manage that hat trick.

 

Adventureland is not a destination park, what you need to realize is, Cedar Fair caters to the GP, not the enthusiasts. They will get the same attendance at Valleyfair whether they add a B&M Invert, a Gale Force clone, or a waterpark expansion, so Cedar Fair is going to go on the cheaper side of things, which is why you guys get good, but lower cost coasters like: Impulse Clones, GCIs, and other things like that.

[jordanwilcox11]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

 

Adventureland became a destination park with just 1 cheap coaster. Valleyfail can't even manage that hat trick.

 

Adventureland is not a destination park, what you need to realize is, Cedar Fair caters to the GP, not the enthusiasts. They will get the same attendance at Valleyfair whether they add a B&M Invert, a Gale Force clone, or a waterpark expansion, so Cedar Fair is going to go on the cheaper side of things, which is why you guys get good, but lower cost coasters like: Impulse Clones, GCIs, and other things like that.

 

Actually what we get are 2 things: Jack and Squat

[coasterbill]

what you need to realize is, Cedar Fair caters to the GP, not the enthusiasts.

 

This. So this.

 

What enthusiasts in general need to realize is that every park caters to "the GP", not enthusiasts, enthusiasts make up a tiny percentage of total attendance (thank god), despite their relentless bitching enthusiasts will also buy season passes anyway and even if they didn't, nobody would care. You're not special, the world does not revolve around you and nobody cares about your bitching.

[Mr. Corn]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

 

Adventureland became a destination park with just 1 cheap coaster. Valleyfail can't even manage that hat trick.

 

Adventureland is not a destination park, what you need to realize is, Cedar Fair caters to the GP, not the enthusiasts. They will get the same attendance at Valleyfair whether they add a B&M Invert, a Gale Force clone, or a waterpark expansion, so Cedar Fair is going to go on the cheaper side of things, which is why you guys get good, but lower cost coasters like: Impulse Clones, GCIs, and other things like that.

 

Actually what we get are 2 things: Jack and Squat

 

So please, tell me about your awesome GCI, Hyper Coaster, Inverted Impulse, Classic Woodie, and your brand new Starflyer........ If you look at Valleyfairs attendance records, you will see that it remains roughly the same whether they add a huge new ride or not. So why dump the money into a large coaster when attendance stays the same, and therefore in-park guest spending stays roughly the same, and therefore the net profit stays the same. It makes no sense from a finicial standpoint to add a huge addition, when your profits won't change in any significant way, a smaller coaster (Like a Gale Force clone) would fill almost every "gap" that a $15 million more one would. A large coaster would probably hurt the park in the long run in my opinion, if they don't make any more money, but they spend an extra $15 million over a cheaper adult coaster, that's $15 million not being spent on the next couple years's: Kids land expansions, Waterpark additions, general upkeep. It makes no sense........

[djackson]

I came looking for the valleyfair thread but it appears that I have found the KD one instead.

[coasterbill]

I came looking for the valleyfair thread but it appears that I have found the KD one instead.

 

This isn't the KD thread. That one was loaded with delusional, whiny enthusiasts. In this thread we only have one.

[jordanwilcox11]

You have to remember Jordan that Cedar Fair in all honesty doesn't care about years between coasters, they want bang for their buck, and they want rides that fit. Cedar Point gets coasters year after year becuase they have an entire hotel complex to support the tens of thousands of people that go there each year, SOLELY to ride their coasters. Valleyfair doesn't have that. It took Cedar Point years and years to get enough coasters for people to make it a destination park, and I think it'd take 2-3 absolutely MIND-BLOWING coasters and a hotel on-site for them to just start to get that. My home Cedar Fair park is KBF, the park is extremely close to Los Angeles, which just happens to be the 2nd biggest city in all of America, and they haven't gotten a thrill coaster in 12-13 years now. A big coaster might "fit" in an enthusiasts eyes at Valleyfair becuase they want something big, but the local crowds will go there whether they add a waterpark addition, a Planet Snoopy addition, or a B&M invert, with little to no attendance varying. If they add a B&M invert, I can guarentee you that 99.99% of people would still never go there just for that, so why would Cedar Fair want to add that?! They could add a Smaller coaster, like a Gale Force clone, that fills the inverting gap (they only have 1 inverting coaster) for MUCH less, and they'd still get essentially the same amount of people in the gates as if they blew a bunch of money on a huge coaster!!!! They wouldn't get a huge jump becuase that coaster wouldn't suddenly make them a destanation park, and I don't ever see them becoming one.

 

Adventureland became a destination park with just 1 cheap coaster. Valleyfail can't even manage that hat trick.

 

Adventureland is not a destination park, what you need to realize is, Cedar Fair caters to the GP, not the enthusiasts. They will get the same attendance at Valleyfair whether they add a B&M Invert, a Gale Force clone, or a waterpark expansion, so Cedar Fair is going to go on the cheaper side of things, which is why you guys get good, but lower cost coasters like: Impulse Clones, GCIs, and other things like that.

 

Actually what we get are 2 things: Jack and Squat

 

So please, tell me about your awesome GCI, Hyper Coaster, Inverted Impulse, Classic Woodie, and your brand new Starflyer........ If you look at Valleyfairs attendance records, you will see that it remains roughly the same whether they add a huge new ride or not. So why dump the money into a large coaster when attendance stays the same, and therefore in-park guest spending stays roughly the same, and therefore the net profit stays the same. It makes no sense from a finicial standpoint to add a huge addition, when your profits won't change in any significant way, a smaller coaster (Like a Gale Force clone) would fill almost every "gap" that a $15 million more one would. A large coaster would probably hurt the park in the long run in my opinion, if they don't make any more money, but they spend an extra $15 million over a cheaper adult coaster, that's $15 million not being spent on the next couple years's: Kids land expansions, Waterpark additions, general upkeep. It makes no sense........

 

I would take a Gale Force level coaster. Or a Monster level coaster. Instead Matt "Disney" Ouimet gives us Jack and Squat.