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^Big difference between a fully constructed new wooden coaster or an Iron Horse conversion and a topper track retrack. Schilke said three coasters in 2016... I wouldn't call topper track a new coaster.

I think we shouldn't whine so much about new coasters and Kings Dominion not getting their "fair share." The parks' budgets are based off their own profits, not just what Cedar Fair feels like investing. Six, even seven years is nothijg to complain about going without new coasters. Kings Dominion has become one of the most beautiful, well rounded amusment parks in the country since I-305. It's about quality, not quantity, which Kings Dominion has lots of both. 14 coasters. One of them is I-305. All I have to say. Think about some other Cedar Fair parks that have gone nearly 10 years now without not only a new coaster, but without major additions in general (which Kings Dominion has had--Windseeker, Planet Snoopy, water slides, 40th). Valleyfair, Worls of Fun, Michigans Adventure, etc. Or the nearby Six Flags America, outside of the last couple years. Kings Dominion is very well off. And to put this to rest, CW is the most visited Cedar Fair park, but Cedar Point is the most profitable all around. The hotels make it far more profitable, not less...

^^Actually not a bad replacement for Looping Starship. Of course people would complain if they market it as a coaster, but if they just call it a thrill ride I think it could be a good fit.

It is interesting that all of the regional park's attached waterparks on this list (Hurricane Harbor, Soak City, Busch waterparks) are separate gate. I'd be curious if the included SF waterparks just didn't make this list, or weren't included as attendance is combined (and can't be separately counted) with the theme parks'. Assuming they are separate from this list, I'd be interested I seeing how they stack up/if this would look different.

To be perfectly honest I have a hard time believing this '10 second' variation thing. 5 seconds? Maybe. 10? For a 55 second ride, that's about 10 mph slower overall, and since the speed at the base of the drop isn't affected as much as other elements, it would have to be immensely slower than the average run. Not saying for sure he's wrong (he knows more about the ride than I do), but I think it's possible there was miscommunication/misinformation.

I have yet to ride any RMC creations, but here's how I look at it... Wicked Cyclone is a very compact, snappy coaster with tight transitions and small radii for the turns/airtime hills. The pullouts are tighter than larger coasters like the Texas RMC's. The ride is designed for a specific range of speeds through each of the elements. The design of course allows for variation under different conditions, but in general, the ride is designed to reach 55mph and slowly decrease through the course. If the conditions are right and the ride is running, say, 5 mph faster through an element than average, it will be much more noticeable due to the design of ride with tight pullouts/transitions. Comoared to a ride the New Texas Giant which has much more pronounced transitions, 5 mph wont make nearly as noticeable a difference. You'd have to be 10 mph (filler numbers--just for explanation) faster than average to notice the same change in intensity as a 5 mph increase on Wicked Cyclone. This works in both ways, as a slight decrease in speed theoh an element is much more pronounced than the same decrease in the New Texas Giant. Basically, because the ride is so tight/compact, small variations make large differences.

^The $12 million listing for El Toro on Wikipedia is false. At Great Adventure's last Winter Adventure, the park was quoted as saying that El Toro ran the park $25 million--more than most major steel coasters. That figure easily explains why Shapiro tried to cancel the project, but was fortunately too late.

Ive stayed at Breakers Express twice now. Since you've been to Cedar Poin before you probably don't need to stay on the peninsula for the "holy crap look at this beautiful view" impression. If you really want the convenience of leaving midday or want to use the pools or relax or whatever you might want to stay with Breakers. However, if you're just looking for a less expensive place to crash and park you car and other stuff for the day and don't mind a 1970's styled room, Breakers Express is perfect. Clean, cheap, and has all the benfits (early entry, etc). No complaints whatsoever about this little hotel, and I'd certainly choose this place again the next time I make it out to Ohio for a two day trip on a budget.

^^"If," not "when." The park has stated they aren't immediately looking at converting it due to the size/terrain aspects of the ride. I think we should t assume that every Six Flags wooden coaster not called El Toro will be iron horses in the near future. Sure, many more will be and Six Fkags has been very successful with RMC, but not every wooden coaster needs to be converted (although many say Boss needs it). To answer your question, if SFStL is planning the conversion with RMC, I wouldn't expect it until 2017 at the absolute earliest. Great Adventure, Over Georgia, and SFA are other parks that have a reasonable chance of an RMC along with SFStL in the next few years.

Instead of clearing 100 acres and saying the entire parking lot is needed for concerts/parking, why not clear only what is necessary and place what you can on lesser used parts of the lot, leaving ample parking (building more if needed) and space for concerts? It seems Gadv is taking the cheapest option, which, these days, doesn't surprise me.

Driving over the causeway the first time is always really special. Great tr so far, can't wait to see your visit to Cedar Point!

I really hope they splurge a little bit on next year's additions. If the rumors of a big year in 2017 are true I'd be fine with just a single addition, but until that is certain I think it's a good time to take a risk. Something like Great Adenture's 2012 additions--a waterpark addition along with a Skyscreamer/flats would round out the last few years of expansion very nicely before potentially something major in 2017.

4,760 feet long, 73 mph, 200 foot drop. Looks like a more streamlined, twistier Goliath from Over Georgia. B&M speed coasters are never a bad addition.

Depends on how efficiently the crew is dispatching and filling the trains, but the only determinant of capacity is how often a train of a quantity of riders is dispatched. Running three trains itself does not make a ride more efficient than a shorter rider running two. Some quick calculations/estimations, and assuming a best case scenario under realistic conditions... 90 seconds/dispatch x 22 riders/dispatch = 880 pph. In all reality it's probably consistently between 600 and 900/hour.

We must be the same person... Lol Those are almost exactly my thoughts on those rides. My top two favorites at Cedar Point. Maverick at any time of the day is an incredible, intense, "mini-I305" type of ride. One of my favorites, no question. Millennium, on the other hand, can be "meh" on a cooler day, or when it's not warmed up. When MF is hauling, though, it's on another level. My last two rides were EXACTLY the same as your last two--one just before 10 pm, the other after closing, both in the last row. Those two rides are what put MF at night above Maverick for me; but maybe I'm also just a little more sentimental, or whatever you'd want to call it. Looking at the individual elements and the average ride each coaster gives, Maverick is better for me. But for some reason, just as some say about the Beast, Millennium comes alive at night, like it's saying "Look what I can still do." It's unforgettable, and one of my favorite memories of my (still going) childhood.

^Glad you had a great time, as you should at Cedar Point. So, are talking Maverick, or a Millennium night ride? I know you're a Skyrush fan, so Maverick wouldn't surprise me, but both are world class rides.

I'd say the only reason they wouldn't get a coaster next year is if some contract falls through. The wording of that sign, "This history, this legacy will continue here..." to me means, 'In this location, this legacy continues.'

The park is on its feet. The park is the best it's been in 10+ years, IMO.

Definite is a strong word. Read the last few lines of the sign... "And this history, this legacy, will continue here at The Roller Coaster Capital of the World"

If you really had "forgotten this park exists," then how are you one to argue for a management change? If you had kept up on the park, you would realize that not only is SFA much more than just "2 relocated coasters since 2001." This park has probably made the most impressive turnaround if any SF park in the last five years, and actually has a more well rounded ride collection and waterpark than many of its competitors, not to mention a very friendly staff and a clean atmosphere. How can you say Cedar Fair would manage the park better than SF is, if you haven't kept informed informed on the park's recent happenings? Seriously, I'm tired of people bashing this park and looking in its past (which is interesting for a 15 year to do, actually).

So... No media day for the new ride? Not really a big deal, but the other SF parks that got Super Loops had media days.

Carowinds already confirmed that it will be closed down for "family friendly attractions". So right away an RMC makeover is right out the window. Also, Cedar Fair does not work with RMC. Yet. Yet is the key word. Can you say "New Texas Hurler"? That would be great! I think that Grizzly and Rebel Yell are too iconic for an RMC treatment, but the generic, painful Hurler would be perfect! No, not what I meant. Closing down a clasic park icon like Thunder Road or Colossus happens for a reason. People thought closing down Colossus was the worst option possible, but it turned into a huge win for the park. I'm sure Carowinds will be justified in removing this ride, and what is put in its place will be well worth it's removal. All I said was "something good will come out of it," not "OMFG RMC carowindzz is da bomb lol."

I think you should wait until an announcement is made to criticize harshly. Remember the outcry when Colossus' closure was announced before the RMC makeover was confirmed? Something good will come out of it--I have faith in Cedar Fair to do good things in that growing park down south.

^Interesting. I was going off the initial release from 2013, linked in the index for this thread.

Bumper cars, mini-golf, action fx theater, and possibly white water falls are all gone after this year. You're naming too many things. Take a break...sit on this log and wait for the big splash. And why is everyone thinking water park expansion? Ok keep thinking that...it will make the element of surprise that more enjoyable! And that 50 million...that was really 40 something million has been spent on the front gate, harmony hall, fury 325, other food venues and the waterslides...the ones already there. What? I'm fairly certain I remember you specifically stating/hinting at a major waterpark expansion for 2016 months back. And yes, 2016 is included in the $50 million investment between 2014-2016, as it was stated back when the investment was announced in 2013.