robbalvey Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 ^ Well, they are partially responsible, though. I talked to one of them at IAAPA a couple of years ago (I always forget which is which) and we were talking about SFOG's SUF. They said that the pretzel element was one of the more intense elements they have done in a long time, and it was "something we are trying to stay away from, and if it proves to be a problem, they will have to use the trims that were installed" which is one of the reasons why they said most new coasters (including SUF) come with trims 'pre-installed' in case they need to tame the ride a bit. Luckily, I don't think many B&Ms have even used those trims. But yeah, I know it's not about pleasing enthusaists. But I have to be honest, I think it IS one of the reasons why not too many recent B&M installations make it on the top 10 lists, while more recent Intamin's do. They are just simply making less intense rides lately, and they've even admited so. Not saying they are making bad rides, they just aren't pushing the envelope like they used to. --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 That is probably though due to this recent push to make rides "safer". We know the truth, we know the human body can tolerate way more than even some of the most intense rides push, and safely at that. But it does seem like they are curving along the way of "crowd/family pleasing" rides instead of the extreme rides. That would be my guess however. They just dont want to get in trouble incase anything happens. Which is sad because most all of us know that majority of accidents on a ride built these days by one of the major manufacturers isnt a problem of them, but normally of the workers operating the ride. And even if you factor in the people who die of brain anurisms and such, those are freak anomolies and thats the risk you take riding coasters. Things happen. Yes though, if thats the statement you got I would think its been from this extreme press from the governments about safety safety safety and keeping G levels down. Which is nonsense. Some of the most intense rides in the world probably have some of the best safety records (depending upon the park, heh). Oh well, I better stop before I start really venting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 That is probably though due to this recent push to make rides "safer". We know the truth, we know the human body can tolerate way more than even some of the most intense rides push, and safely at that. But it does seem like they are curving along the way of "crowd/family pleasing" rides instead of the extreme rides. That would be my guess however. I think you're absolutlely correct. --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenDen Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Being that we're talking about B&M's... As far as any B&M ride with inversions, they seem to be all the same to me. Don't get me wrong, I like them, but the more B&Ms that spring up, the more monotonous they become. Kinda like Arrow did with it's loopers in the 80's. If you've riden one, you've pretty much ridden them all. With this new "jojo roll" thingee at Dorney, I think they're running out of ideas. I'm not suprised with the so-so reviews of thier latest creations. At least with Intamin, new ideas are coming into fuition. Storm runner is a perfect example of this. That layout is just sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montu Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Could you do a review of Silver Star? It looks forceful, but I guess it isn't I went to Europa Park when this was under construction, so i couldn't ride it surprisingly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montu Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) Could you do a review of Silver Star? It looks forceful, but I guess it isn't I went to Europa Park when this was under construction, so i couldn't ride it surprisingly enough. Oops, double post, but where's the delete button? Edited February 27, 2005 by Montu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpengeistdude321 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Silver Star looks really trimmed that could ruin the pacing, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I think Silver Bullet has an amazing looking layout. Six inversions, groovy corners and tight helixes with no MCBR. I thought this would be B&M's come back! What happened? I don't understand. I haven't ridden it, but I get the idea from the reviews I've read. I just keep thinking, if this ride was built at the same time as all the old school B&Ms (Batman, Nemesis, Kumba, DD etc) would it be anymore intense. I've spoken to loads of non-enthusiasts who enjoy riding coasters and infact most of them think Air is amazing, a lot of them even consider it their favourite coaster. I really do like Air though, if the single rider queue is working it's great for re-rides, and it's actually sped up LOADS since it opened in 2002, I think they've stopped using those useless trim brakes now. I love the feeling of flying so close to the ground. I actually found S:UF in SFGAm so boring after the prezal loop, and the area had no atmosphere and there was quite abit of vibration at the bottom of the first drop, but I probably just got it on a bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black sabbath Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 ^ Silver Bullet, isn't a bad coaster but it was just a big letdown for most of us. I like the ride, but I still like Ghostrider, Montezooma, and Xcelerator better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Randomness Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 From the videos, it looks very nonforceful. I haven't ridden it, but it looks like it won't be much compared to Batman or any other invert. I agree that it isn't the worst and far from best. But i haven't ridden it so I dunno yet until I ride it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knottslover77 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I wonder why it's slow. It's taller and longer then most inverts and has a helix. It may feel slower because its so smooth. Boomerang feels faster, but its not, it's very very painful. ADMIN EDIT: Edited spelling, grammar and punctuation in this post. Please check your own post before submitting them. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Silver Bullet has a WOW layout without the WOW! :shock: I think that B&M is taming their layouts so the whole family can ride. I think that B&M need to realize that they make intense coasters, NOT family coasters. If you make Silver Bullet faster, it will become more forceful and actualy intense and fun. Kevin "B&M, can you take LIM lessons from Intamin?"Bujold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurritoKing99 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ^ Silver Bullet, to ME, was just very slow. It seemed to meander around the course instead of racing through it. It seemed to have no pacing to it whatsoever. I'm used to a good coaster where there's a *WOW* moment, then you catch your breath...then *WOW* again, catch your breath, and you slam into the break run and really need to catch your breath and think "WOW! That REALLY kicked ass!!!!. Batman does this, Nemesis does this, Dragons does this...Silver Bullet doesn't even come CLOSE to doing this. Silver Bullet was just kind of boring, IMO. It almost felt like it was going to roll back going into the brake run!!! That's too bad, i was really excited about an inverter at Knottz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirectorSpence Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 When it comes to B&Ms, I just want smooth. I find that I have a less enjoyable experience the rougher they get (i.e. Batman @ SFoG). My personal favorite coaster is Apollo's Chariot because it's big, smooth and fun. Those are pretty lame descriptive words for it, but that's why I like it the most. It also appeals to me because it's very open, harnesses and seating-wise. I love B&M, I'll ride anything they put out, I just tend to like the softer ones by them. I too, as someone posted previously, am looking forward to riding Hydra, it looks amazing...and at only 100ft tall! The exaggerated inversions and twisted track look fantastic. Hopefully I will be making it to the SheiKra media-day and get my video on for next years amateur competetion. If not, I will probably be there for the opening on the 21st. Shalom, ya'll. Spencer http://www.charybdispictures.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Shankman Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 I absolutely loved Silver Bullet. It was so smooth and stream line...not one uncomfortable jolt. I honestly can't think of one thing wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 Could you do a review of Silver Star? It looks forceful, but I guess it isn't I went to Europa Park when this was under construction, so i couldn't ride it surprisingly enough. I would be intrested about that too, because we are going there this summer. Yay!!! . Yep, I've heard that it is quite forceless, but I'm still really looking forward to it because it's my first hyper . Sorry about the offtopic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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