Why do you think execution should be allowed?

[socalMAN123]

As a member of my high school's MUN program, I could say that you need to be true to your country policy. You shouldn't be asking a bunch of coaster enthusiasts who probably won't go as in depth as you need to for this topic. As DPRK you need to find out your country's policy and completely stick to it. You could morally disagree with what your country believes, but in order to do well, you cannot show it.

---Brent

[gerd.muller]

You shouldn't be asking a bunch of coaster enthusiasts who probably won't go as in depth as you need to for this topic. As DPRK you need to find out your country's policy and completely stick to it. You could morally disagree with what your country believes, but in order to do well, you cannot show it.

---Brent

 

That´s the way is see it too!

[emily>piers]

Granted this is a website for coaster enthusiasts and perhaps not necessarily the place for a discussion on capital punishment, not all the statements made are from misinformed people. My bachelors degree is actually in Criminal Justice Studies.

[ParkTrips]

I thought it was in janners and cheap wine.

[emily>piers]

^cheers Joe. No those are the things I learnt while I was studying too!!

[gerd.muller]

Granted this is a website for coaster enthusiasts and perhaps not necessarily the place for a discussion on capital punishment, not all the statements made are from misinformed people. My bachelors degree is actually in Criminal Justice Studies.

 

Dear Emily.

I didn´t want to attack you personally, and of course it is clear to me that the users of this site are not uneducated individuals.

But in my opinion, the discussion of such a serious issue in a forum used by coaster- and themepark fanatic people always contains the risks of:

 

1. The discussions leads to very ridiculous and offensive ways!

2. People just making their jokes about other peoples point of view because they are uninformed or childish!

[emily>piers]

It's fine, I haven't taken it as a personal attack, I'm quite resilient. Hey, I get shouted at at work everyday (not by colleagues, by service users with axes to grind).

 

I just wanted to point out that not all the opinions expressed are subjective and it is always going to be a difficult subject which will raise strong opinions for both sides of the argument.

[ginzo]

24 1/2 hour lock down.

 

That would be a pretty amazing punishment indeed.

[Teacups Make Me Sick]

Texas is a great example to show how capital punishment isn’t a deterrent for murder.

 

Although I could assume that there are other variables: like education and other social issues.

 

But nonetheless, I don’t care if it helps reduce the amount of murders...sometimes watching someone fry is a good way to help the victims families get a little closure.

[Kennyweird]

^That's exactly why I hate capital punishment! It's just a way for the victims to get "even" with the accused. IMO, it's just as barbaric as the original crime itself.

[Teacups Make Me Sick]

^I didnt say get even...I said closure. There is a difference.

 

A family that just had there daughter murdered will always know that the guy/girl who killed her is sitting in jail and might possibly get out and they will always hear about parole hearings, appeals, etc.

 

If the murder is dead...they can close that chapter in there life (as best as they can).

[AllenA07]

I support the Death Penalty for the following crimes.

 

Child Rape

Treason

Murder in 1st degree (pre meditated)

 

 

The only way I would ever not support the death penalty is to make sure that life in prison is HARD, miserable time.

 

No TV

No interaction with other prisoners

No News Papetr

No Books

No hot meals

No job

No letters from family

No Pillows

No Phone calls

No Personal Property

24 1/2 hour lock down.

limited no Contact visits.

And Zero chance of prole.

 

The only thing to keep in mind wish really harsh punishment, is that the 8th amendment is in place to offer some protections. Basically we can't easily toss somebody into a hole and forget about them without there being some legal problems.

 

In terms of how I feel about the death penalty, well I'm torn. While I fully agree that it isn't really as much of a deterrent as people wish it were, I think it still does scare people to some degree. I think part of the reason that the death penality isn't as much of a deterrent is that because people can't really conceptualize death. I'll explain what I mean. I have never been in the courtroom for the reading of a death sentence (they're exceptionally rare) however I've been in there many time and have seen sentences from probation all the way up to life in prison without parol. People all react differently, but most people upon getting a life sentence do get this look of pure dread and panic on their face. I've seen the faces of people on TV getting death and they don't tend to have that same expression. I think part of it is because when you're told you're going to spending life in prison, it basically means you'll be spending forever there. When you're given the death penalty it's a much open ended thing, because with appeals and everything it's questionable if the date will ever come.

 

Am I for the death penalty? Yes, I do think there are people out there who pose such a serious danger to society that execution is warranted. I think the appeals process is what should be changed, because under the current format it's far to easy to draw out the appeals for many many years. It's the appeals that pose the real expense in an execution.

[ebl]

"IMO, it's just as barbaric as the original crime itself." (Kennyweird)

 

I have to disagree with you there. How many murder victims were allowed their choice of a last meal? How many murder victims were given a chance to spend a few minutes with their loved ones to say goodbye?

 

Prisoners about to be executed get all of the above.

 

As I said previously, my only argument against capital punishment is the time and money that it takes to carry out the sentence. Too wasteful. But the few seconds of pain that may be felt by the offender pales considerably to that of what the victim suffered.

 

Eric

[larrygator]

I've never heard of an executed man taking another life after his execution (Movies excluded).

 

In my opinion the executed man has been detered from murdering again. That's good enough for me.

[Kennyweird]

First of all, I'm very impressed with how civil and cool headed this thread has remained. It says good things about TPR's maturity level.

 

 

I have to disagree with you there. How many murder victims were allowed their choice of a last meal? How many murder victims were given a chance to spend a few minutes with their loved ones to say goodbye?

 

Conversely, one can argue that it must be incredibly painful to know you're eating your last meal and saying your final goodbyes to your family. It all depends on your perspective.

 

 

But the few seconds of pain that may be felt by the offender pales considerably to that of what the victim suffered.

 

That's not necessarily true. What if the victim died of a gunshot to the head? That's probably not a painful way to die, but then again no one's ever come back to tell us.

[ebl]

"Conversely, one can argue that it must be incredibly painful to know you're eating your last meal and saying your final goodbyes to your family. It all depends on your perspective." (Kennyweird)

 

Probably not as painful as your life flashing before your eyes while someone is beating/stabbing/strangling you to death, knowing that you will never see your loved ones again. What will happen to your children (if you have any)? What will your parents/family do when you're gone? These are the things that murder victims have just a few frantic seconds to think about. A person facing execution can discuss his/her final wishes with a clergyman, attorney, etc. and think it out.

 

About the meals...if you ever read about what some offenders order, it's often a feast fit for a king.

 

Check out this page. It keeps a running total of executed inmates. Scroll down a bit to the list, then click on an inmate's name. In most entries you'll fiind out what they ate for their last meal and their final words.

 

Eric

[Kennyweird]

^Like I said, it pretty much depends on your perspective. Perhaps its more painful to take your time writing your will knowing that you're about to die than it is to have only a few brief seconds to think about your impending death. Also, you keep mentioning how good the last meals are. If your scared or worried right before your execution (as I would imagine some of these murderers are), then there is no food in the world that will console you.

 

At any rate, I can clearly see that neither side is going to sway the other side's opinions on the matter. So with this post I've decided to officially withdraw from the discussion.

[coolhandluke]

^^I understand what you're saying, but I would think typically the victim is too caught off guard or fighting for their life to reflect on that stuff a lot. I certainly wouldn't know for sure (and they probably do get fleeting thoughts like that), but like you said, it's over in a few seconds, if that (the large majority of murders are with guns, which tend to be more instantaneous). But all this rationalization, for both sides, is purely guessing.

 

I'm personally against capital punishment, mostly thanks to my human rights beliefs in general. I can understand both sides, but I personally don't think the benefits of executions outweigh life without parole.

[Teacups Make Me Sick]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the majority of the people that are over the age of 25 are for death sentence....and those that are younger are against it.

 

I used to be against it...but now, I can see it has its benefits....for one, if the person that killed another has no respect for life, why should they be allowed to carry on life until old age?

[AllenA07]

I don't think age matters all that much in seeing who is for the death penalty. I've always been in support for it, and I'm still under 25. I think that there are cases where people pose such a serious danger to society that the only reasonable solution is death. Remember that even being locked up you can pose a risk to society, because the people in prison are still a society. In fact one of the easiest ways to find yourself on death row is to kill somebody while you're in prison, because that is a great way of showing that you're so dangerous that even in prison the mere fact of you being alive is going to put people at risk.

[Kalepi_Konei]

Where are the pre-cognatives from Minority Report when you need them...

[chauncey]

i was once very strongly opposed to the death penalty, and now i just as strongly support it, and i honestly don't know what changed so radically inside of me, or why — but i do know that i once imagined the suffering of the murderer, and now i imagine the suffering of their victims…

 

perhaps the death penalty is just brutal and barbaric revenge, but, at this point in my life, i believe that revenge is exactly what both the murderer and the murdered deserve!

 

not that i hope to really convince anyone that i'm right, which is why i didn't really make any sort of an argument in defense of my position — i mean, what kind of an argument can i give? it's really just a gut-level thing for me, and for most people, i imagine…

 

Where are the pre-cognatives from Minority Report when you need them...

now that's something i don't support! even in our world today there's this notion that we can somehow “prevent” crime, and all it really seems to lead to is treating everyone as if they were a criminal, which just horrifies me… but, that's another topic altogether…

[Sir Clinksalot]

My Mom's partner was murdered when I was 13. This person subsequently came after my Mom. Luckily she was caught ... in front of our house (we weren't there).

 

This person was eligible for parole last year. That's 20 years. For killing somebody. She was probably going to be paroled until she told the judge that she wasn't ready to be released.

 

I'm a VERY forgiving person (as many will tell you) but this person should have been dead and gone a LONG time ago. We shouldn't have to be worried about the "What If's" if/when she get's out of jail. Is she still bitter towards my Mom? What if she finds me first? Not to even mention the members of my Mom's partners family.

 

We've made it a point to go every parole hearing to voice our extreme reluctance at her possibly being released. The fact that not only my Mom, but her partners family has to go through this pain and agony 20 years later is absolutely absurd.