GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 ^I am in total agreement. After the constant reports of causing headaches and back problems, Who other than people like myself who ride it WAY more than normal are complaining of back problems and headaches? I've only once pulled a muscle in my side and that was the opening night when I was in the back seat and decided to try to put my hands up on the first drop for the first time and wasn't ready for it. I highly recommend not putting your hands up the first time you ride in the back rows, and definitely don't try to hold a camera or phone or the like during your first ride in the back as you wont be ready for it... poor tracking and roughness. Followed by "it is still better then sex" comments, I will go with the opinion of the non local. Which non local are you talking about? Who says its better than sex? I know locals and non locals that love the Bullet and locals and non locals that don't enjoy it as much. While some may not rank it has high as Texcoaster, this is far from a bad coaster even with the poor tracking which will be fixed soon. The bullet can definitely stay on my "no time soon" list. Too bad, its a truly unique coaster which some some of the most intense elements in the first 15 second that you'll find. Once they get it running faster it will likely go from very good, to great. At the very least everyone, especially if you haven't ridden it, should give them a chance to get it running to specifications and ride it yourself before making an opinion. -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 LOL, anyone who knows me will tell you that there is ***NO*** coaster that's better than sex. At least not if you do it right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'm glad we had this thread. This is why I love TPR. Between Robb's great report of the video shoot and the honest opinions of the locals, I can now close the book on this one. Its far to early to close the book on this coaster. I still don't know why everyone here that hasn't ridden it is coming off with the opinions they are. While it might not be a coaster you will want to ride 10 times in a row right now, its is still a good coaster and its not even running to spec yet. -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verticalzero Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I hope no-one does ride the "Bullet" or any coaster holding a camera or phone.. Leave that to Robb Complain to the Park about the ride and they can contact GG who should try and sort out the roughness.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Beemer and coaster05, here's a better idea: RIDE IT before passing judgement on it. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions, and until you try it yourself, your opinion of the ride is pure speculation. You're no more valid than those religious zealots who scream "that movie is evil, don't go see it" when they haven't seen anything but the trailers. When you've ridden it, then I will respect your opinion of it. Not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 When I was there on Oct 25, they said it will be shut down in January for 2 to 3 weeks and getting work done on the bottom of the drop and bay turn. They said it should speed up the ride by 15 seconds. Craig Did you ride it? How was it? What was good, what was bad? I'd be interested in your opinion since you are a non-local and they seem to be the only ones that TPR people trust these days... -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I hope no-one does ride the "Bullet" or any coaster holding a camera or phone.. Leave that to Robb Exactly - who, if I am not mistaken, took his first back seat ride while holding his camera which may have hurt... Complain to the Park about the ride and they can contact GG who should try and sort out the roughness.. Obviously you have not been following this thread at all. Nobody needs to complain to anyone, as I have stated in this thread and others, they have had plans to fix it before it even opened. -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I just read over this ENTIRE thread. I see more people saying it isn't that rough than otherwise. The main problem I see is that the thread was started by Texcoaster after having ridden it 88 times in ONE DAY. Of course it would be nice if it was not as rough when riding it that much. After searching TPR, I really have not seen many 'reviews' of the coaster by locals OR non locals so I would really like to put out a call to non-locals who have ridden it and when you rode it. -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster05 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Guru and Tex never in my post did I say it was no good. I said I am going to go with the opinion of the non local and not rush down there to ride it. I am sorry that I am just not that interested in your ride, but posting massive responses to my single post is just silly. If you like it all the power to you, it is not like I am trying to tell you you are wrong. My opinion is I have no desire to ride it, mainly because of this personal vendetta some people seem to have to make sure we all experience this new form of coaster euphoria that none of us could have ever experienced. I do realize none of you have called it euphoric, just like no one said it was better then sex I was using sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Guru and Tex never in my post did I say it was no good. I said I am going to go with the opinion of the non local and not rush down there to ride it. Who is this non-local that has been telling everyone not to ride it? I haven't seen this post. Personally I wouldn't recommend anyone making the trip just for the Bullet right now either. Wait until this summer when its running to spec. I am sorry that I am just not that interested in your ride, but posting massive responses to my single post is just silly. If you like it all the power to you, it is not like I am trying to tell you you are wrong. Why be sorry, just state solid basis for your opinion. Basing your opinion on the information that you will get a headache and back problem riding is wrong. Where are these 'constant reports' you talk about? If you want to reference others, at least use their name so we can see what they said about it. I still don't know who 'non-local' is or what they have posted. If this is all silly, then whats the purpose of letting everyone know you don't want to ride the Bullet in the first place? My opinion is I have no desire to ride it, mainly because of this personal vendetta some people seem to have to make sure we all experience this new form of coaster euphoria that none of us could have ever experienced. I do realize none of you have called it euphoric, just like no one said it was better then sex I was using sarcasm. Oh OK. I thought it was cause it was too rough, as indicated in your first post. I didn't realize there was a vendetta of people out there claiming the Bullet is more than it is. I've followed the TPR posts for the Bullet pretty close and I have not come across this phenomenon. Perhaps you can point me to these posts by the "some people" that are claiming this coaster is any more than what it is. -GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Wow, aren't you "Bullet Boys" taking this a bit far. You're starting to make CP fanboys look like angels. Simmer down. It's just a coaster we don't care to go out of our way to ride. I'm glad you enjoy it. Seriously. Happy Thanksgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster05 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 ^Agreed again although last time I said that this thread jumped a page. Again why do you guys care so much it is not like I am even telling people not to ride it. As far as these non locals you guys do realize there are other coaster sites and I actually have friends outside of TPR. My opinion is that I don't want to come there to ride it, why can't I state that with out getting my post picked apart. My basis for my opinion is not wrong, because my opinion is I don't want to ride it, NOT that the coaster sucks. Heck it took me three years to ride TTD and it is 3.5 hours from my house. However a lot of "non locals" told me it wasn't worth the line so I developed the opinion that I was in no rush to ride it. Before you post again ask yourself this. Keeping all the info I have the same If I would have said I can hardly wait to ride it, would you have cared about my sources? Heck would you have even responded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruGuys Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Before you post again ask yourself this. Keeping all the info I have the same If I would have said I can hardly wait to ride it, would you have cared about my sources? Heck would you have even responded? I would have still corrected you on the fact that you probably wont have back problems or get a headache unless you ride it consecutively a lot, even then, I doubt you'd have back problems. I don't care if you like it or not, I've ridden with MANY people who didn't like it and I don't convince them to like it. I just don't like a sudden barrage of posters saying things like it is too rough, will cause bodily damage, etc, when this is not the case. Some may find it too rough for their liking, but constant reports of back problems ... thats a bit extreme. My opinion is that I don't want to come there to ride it, why can't I state that with out getting my post picked apart. Thats fine - I don't think anyone has questioned that. The part of your post(s) which I have quoted have nothing to do with that, they have to do with your statement of constant reports of back problems and headaches which you can't seem to cite. -GG P.S. The funny thing is agree with you on that its not worth a trip to ride, especially with the closest other coasters being over 3.5 hours away. Perhaps next summer will be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PURE Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Wow, aren't you "Bullet Boys" taking this a bit far. You're starting to make CP fanboys look like angels. Simmer down. It's just a coaster we don't care to go out of our way to ride. I'm glad you enjoy it. Seriously. Happy Thanksgiving. Wow. The Batmobile and now this. Couldn't agree more lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Joe Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I'm excited to be taking a mini TX tour next weekend. Bullet was a strong influence on the trip planning as I'm a sucker for wooden coasters I am also looking forward to a non-trimmed Spaghetti bowl, the Rattler, Titan, Schilke's first true layout in RRE, and what looks to be a great Morgan. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to see one of the TX crew hooting and hollering on my hours of riding the Bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 When are you planning to hit the Bullet? If it's on a weekend (or the Fri after turkey), I'll try to be down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Sounds to me like GG is having the same problems with their rides that they did when they were CCI. Small transitions, little banking, and bad trains tear the track to pieces. Some people never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 Sounds to me like GG is having the same problems with their rides that they did when they were CCI. Small transitions, little banking, and bad trains tear the track to pieces. Some people never learn. WHAT?????? Bullet is filled with radical banking, including a couple of near-90s. Voyage has THREE 90* banked turns. Hades has one as well. In fact, strong laterals is just about the only thing I miss about GG rides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 ^I was referring more to CCI rides having little banking. I guess GG did fix that problem, but their transitions and shaping are still something that just shouldn't be done, it's way to hard on everything (trains, track, structure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 ^I was referring more to CCI rides having little banking. I guess GG did fix that problem, but their transitions and shaping are still something that just shouldn't be done, it's way to hard on everything (trains, track, structure). Would you care to flesh this out a bit? Voyage, Hades, and Ravine Flyer II all use steel structures. How would Gravity Group's woodie designs be too hard on steel compared to the much more extreme drops, speeds, and elements that steel coasters have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_RULES Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^I was referring more to CCI rides having little banking. I guess GG did fix that problem, but their transitions and shaping are still something that just shouldn't be done, it's way to hard on everything (trains, track, structure). Would you care to flesh this out a bit? Voyage, Hades, and Ravine Flyer II all use steel structures. How would Gravity Group's woodie designs be too hard on steel compared to the much more extreme drops, speeds, and elements that steel coasters have? The steel structure doesn't have anything to do with the transitions and shaping of the rides that tear the track apart. Let's think about boss. This turn at the bottom of the hill is just brutal. It has little banking and pulls around two lateral Gs. The track is just not meant to have that kind of force applied to it in the way that it is here. The trains have torn the track apart here and not even retracking can help. The same goes for every turn around the bottom of this drop. A steel structure wouldn't help here, the wood track is getting beaten to pieces no matter what the structure type, though I suppose a steel structure might help a bit. And things didn't change when CCI formed into GG. Small transitions are still everywhere (bottom right) and banking and shaping is still a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccalip Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 shaping is still a problem. On the Voyage picture, that was intentional. It was a reversed bank curve leading into a 90 degree turn. It turned out the way it did because it's heart lined, that's why it looks weird. And the bullet picture... There is no problem there, I don't understand what your point is. The transition is taken at a slow speed and it is still smooth. Try watching the POV video of it, or better yet ride it for yourself before you make judgments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 The steel structure doesn't have anything to do with the transitions and shaping of the rides that tear the track apart. Let's think about boss. This turn at the bottom of the hill is just brutal. It has little banking and pulls around two lateral Gs. The track is just not meant to have that kind of force applied to it in the way that it is here. The trains have torn the track apart here and not even retracking can help. The same goes for every turn around the bottom of this drop. A steel structure wouldn't help here, the wood track is getting beaten to pieces no matter what the structure type, though I suppose a steel structure might help a bit. And things didn't change when CCI formed into GG. Small transitions are still everywhere (bottom right) and banking and shaping is still a problem. I see what you're getting at, but GCII coasters are full of similar quick moves. And they don't seem to have many problems. I wonder if the greater speeds on Gravity Group coasters are in part to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 2 lateral Gs? Not even close. The CCI turns pull around 1-1.2. 2 lats would simply rip the track up. The GG rides do have way improved transitions, banking styles, track shaping, etc. While CCIs and GGs do both seem to be falling apart, it's for different reasons. CCI track ledgers were way too spread out making for shuffling and potholes. GGs are simply just pushing the PTC trains too far, so they're pulling up on the tracks in ways that they shouldn't be. The biggest difference is that most CCIs lacked transitions of any kind. When they were present, they were for very high speed turns. Watch this mounted . You can see how the train snaps in and out of turns. Now watch Robb's POV of Hades. You can see how much smoother the transition from straight to turn and turn to straight is. That's because of GG's use of leads/transitions. I also think steel structure plays a part in the roughness of GGs/CCIs. With wood the whole thing can sway and absorb the force of the train. With steel there is a lot less play, leaving the track to take the beating, thus creating the roughness. Also, the pic you linked to of the turn before the midcourse on Voyage isn't bad, and actually has a huge leadin but is a rather small radius turn. So it's the opposite of what you're trying to show (the angle of the pic also plays a part in that section). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 CP, I think I'm going to have to disagree with several of your cited pics as backup to your claims of poor design causing roughness. I can't comment on The Boss, as I rode it once and hated it. Don't remember much about it, other than how much I didn't like it. As for the Voyage pics, the reverse-banked hop going into the 90* turn is one of my favorite parts of that ride. It's not brutal, but it is aggressive (and YES, parts of Voyage are brutal). The second Voyage pic (small transition, bottom right) is the turn right before the midcourse brake. I never found that part to be rough at all. The one you cited as a banking issue, YEAH, I'll give you that one. I dreaded that freakin turn on every ride. As for the Bullet pic... there are several nasty sections on Bullet, but the one you showed in the pic, while it LOOKS misshaped and not banked enough, it offers no discomfort whatsoever. Even when you catch a "rain ride" and the train is hauling a$$ over that section, it's not rough at all. Like jmccalip, I just don't see your point on that pic. Now, if you want to argue that the transitions in the zig-zag at the bottom of the first drop are too extreme to be taken at 50mph, I'll agree with THAT. Unfortunately, it's my favorite part of that ride, roughness and all. It's also the first section that's likely to be retracked. I hope that if they can smooth it out, they at least don't mess up the intensity of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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