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There is none at CP, but I know there are some at other CF parks.

^I know some coasters have rows for people that are larger than others, I think Dominator did, maybe Hydra did, and possibly Flight Deck at Carowinds. TTD and MF have similar seats, so I find it hard to believe you can fit on MF but not TTD. Are the TTD seats smaller - All I notice is the lap bar is wider (I think) and has a larger grab handle.

If he knows about Riddler's Revenge, shouldn't he know that it's layout is different (and for a less technical explanation, I don't think Riddler's Revenge has a yellow loop.) Um... One of the fastest standups? It's not that slow, If you sat wrong, a hypothetical floorless stand-up like this guy says with the g-force of a Green Lantern/Mantis layout (I've never been on Green Lantern, but I'm pretty sure the g-force is like Mantis) could sterilize you. Not quite stupid GP (more like sarcastic YouTube commenter), but I HAD to put this in. This explains the results of the hypothetical floorless standup shown earlier. There are two things on the left at this point - what I assume to be S:UF AND the ride's own loop. This guy must not have watched the video fully, because he thought the loop was another ride - until he says- So don't comment without at least checking to see if your comment can make you look stupid! By the way, poo-poo is s**t in the real comment, but I guess it's hilariously censored.

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On Wednesday (what we thought was Maverick Platinum Pass Ride Night, but turned out to not be due to a scheduling change), there was a kid ranting that he would not go on Maverick because it was "the worst ride at Cedar Point" and "bangs your head"... apparently he rode it and never would ride it again... the worst thing is that we were waiting for Platinum Pass Ride Night, and he was talking about Kings Island, what to replace Maverick with (not knowing the ride is practically brand-new). And he even knew Disaster Transport used to be Avalanche Run, although we argued whether it changed in 1989 or 1991 - I forgot who was right. So this kid is not your ordinary GP - he seems a bit like an enthusiast, and he thinks that Maverick (frequently the longest line at the park and a brand new coaster, and a favorite among enthusiasts and GP alike) is bad enough to be torn down... What in the world? While I agree Maverick is a bit rough, roughness is part of the ride, with fast transitions, and there are worse rides at CP (Corkscrew in some seats, perhaps?)

I'm going but I don't want to be in any groups. If I see a roving group in Club TPR shirts, I might join

How do you know this? What do you mean "can't confirm"? As in not allowed or not knowing? Could you share all the details you are allowed to share/know with us?

I think somebody did earlier.

My grid turned off in one view... how do i re-enable it?

I love Stengel dives and I love hearing about inversions on wooden coasters... guess we'll have to see which one it is . Anyways, how does topper track work - if it is bolted and welded to the steel running rails, then when the rest of the coaster is wood, how does it transition from the thicker topper track to the normal wood track? And is Outlaw (if that is the name) going to be considered steel or wood? I mean, the rails are practically half steel and half wood! Even stranger, what happens on a ride like Tremors or Georgia Cyclone that is only part topper track? How is THAT classified?

OK... is there a video of a simulated launch rollback test for the tunnel? Because I think somebody said that there were tunnel rollback tests.

This is unreleated, but I believe there is or was a sign in Maverick's queue which warned of rollbacks, and it mentioned the launch tunnel. My question is, has Maverick ever somehow had a malfunction of the LSMs severe enough to cause a rollback into the launch tunnel? And has that been tested?

^I've heard Vortex as being one of the better Arrow loopers. My experiences on it vary. The first time I rode it, it wasn't that bad - we thought it was better than Corkscrew at CP - but the next time, it was not a good ride. I sometimes ride it - the first turn of Vortex can bang your head when you only expect it on the inversions. I rode it in the front once. I rode it in the 2nd-to-back row (1st row, back car), and I swore the back car in the 1st row was better than the front. I rode the CP Corkscrew in front and it was OK, but the back was hellish - my friend talked me into riding it in the back for the airtime, but we both regretted it - Arrow loopers (Vortex and Corkscrew, in my experience) can have some pretty decent airtime. Vortex isn't quite as big as the mega-loopers, and it has a totally different layout. The mega-loopers are in a league of their own due to height and inversions. Vortex is eerily similar to the former Orient Express at Worlds of Fun, and I'd consider them related just as much as Vortex is to the mega-loopers - but Orient Express is pretty much only related to the mega-loopers through Vortex, as Orient Express is shorter and the layout is quite different from Vortex. Here is how I'd classify the complete-circuit Arrow Loopers, along with examples Factory design Corkscrew - Corkscrew at Michigan's Adventure Factory design Loop and Corkscrew - Space Salamander at Expoland Custom small 3-inversion - Corkscrew at CP and Valleyfair Custom small 4-inversion - Dragon Fire at Canad'as Wonderland 5-inversion - Viper at Darien Lake Vortex-Styled - Orient Express, Vortex Mega-Looper - Shockwave at SFGAM, Viper at SFMM, GASM at SFGA Then you have the "others". While most of the "others" are not totally messed up or strange, here are just a few of what I think of as unusual- Drachen Fire at BGW Steel Phantom (before conversion) at Kennywood Dragon at Ocean Park Roller Coaster at Al-Sha'ab Leisure Park (it resembles the Loop and Corkscrew, but with only one corkscrew) Tenesee Tornado And that is an incomplete categorizations of some Arrow coasters

So Viper is the smoothest? OK... so how rough is it? Is it any better than a normal Arrow looper (Vortex, Dragon Fire @ Canada's Wonderland, Carolina Cyclone, Corkscrew (any coaster named Corkscrew, lol) or is Viper bumpier?

Kinda unrelated, but I've seen two comments (I think SkyRush and X-Flight) that say "like a render but the heartline is offset"... does that have to do with the winged seats on the rides or is it just some meme among coaster enthusiasts?

They probably mean launch vs. lift... considering they knew about Formula Rossa and Leviathan, they sound pretty good compared to your average GP.

OK. I have one more question besides the Arrow manufacturer height restriction (does anybody know that?) What is the roughest Arrow looper (not just 7-inversion - any model) ever - in existence and defunct?

Killer first drop? Do you have pictures of the difference between the SF Great America and the California version? And how was it "neutered"? Unfortunately, I'll only be going to the California version - I go to CF parks, so I'd be riding that before the SF version - but I have not been to either of the CF parks in California - yet. I know Corkscrew at Cedar Point has some good airtime before the loop - but if you sit in the back, the ride goes to hell after the loop. Back to the original question - did Arrow specify any minimum height restriction for their larger (7-loop) coasters?

What IS the minimum restriction for an arrow 7-looper?

So I have some questions about Arrow Mega-Loopers. Height restrictions - I've noticed that you have to be 54" tall to ride the Arrow mega- loopers (which I will classify as the three 7-inversion coasters, of which only one exists today). I've also noticed that you only have to be 48" tall to ride practially every other Arrow looper in existence, including the Vortex at Kings Island, which is rather similar to the mega-loopers in some ways. Before you say that the parks are under different management, in my experience, Six Flags is less strict about height restrictions than Cedar Fair - you only have to be 42" tall to ride the Shockwave at SFOT, and also, research suggests that the same was true for Greezed' Lightnin' - both the flywheel one at Astroworld and the drop-weight launch at Kentucky Kingdom. However, the Knott's Berry Farm Montezooma's Revenge has a restriction of 48", and at Cedar Point, rather tame rides that would have lower restrictions at other parks (CCMR, Blue Streak) have 48" height restrictions. So why do the SF mega-loopers have 54" restrictions - is it intensity or the restraints, or something else? Also, out of curiosity, I want to know if Viper at SFMM is at any imminent risk of demolition, as I want to make sure that I could ride it if I go to SFMM in the near future (next few years).

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The way most people build coasters in RCT, everybody would have qualifications to design for- Vekoma Arrow Dynamics (before they went out of business) Custom - designing Zamperla Volares TOGO

Off - topic, but are "noodles" OTSRs?

This article is OK, but the hydraulic fluid one is probably the most uncommon - I've heard of that happening once (I think on Two Face - The Flip Side or some other Invertigo). I also heard that when the cable snapped on TTD, riders reported burns from an oily substance, but I highly doubt that was hydraulic fluid, since doesn't the hydraulic fluid stay inside the building with the motor in it?

The girl at the Dinostore in front of Dinosaurs Alive said that CP will not get a new coaster when I asked her about the leaked memo - she practically cut me off mid-sentence. But, hey, it's not like she works at Dippin' Dots!