DirkFunk

I saw 240ft or bust. No more, no less. How about 235ft?

Nah, I meant Santa's Village, but honestly it goes for both.

Credits aren't getting themselves. I'll go - doesn't seem like now is the best time given that they have nothing that is intended for an adult. At least this isn't totally embarrassing to ride without a kid.

There's the front of Wade Shows' new Galaxi. Now look at those hints again. A brand new Galaxi coaster is a HUGE get for a small family amusement park that was abandoned for a few years. Yes: they had a similar coaster from Fun Spot. And that ride had a number of mechanical gremlins that a brand new ride wouldn't be likely to have when coupled with manufacturer support and the like. Sorry to be that dude, but "THEY SAID ITS HUGE ITS GOTTA BE A TREX/EL LOCO" type stuff needs to stop. It doesn't help anyone.

There's a lot of wish list stuff happening for something that's probably just an Interpark Zyklon/Galaxi. Y'all need to slow your roll.

Dallas Cowboys, Cedar Point's newest roller coaster.

That's pretty normal. US/Canadian carnival industry is built around single providers at most fairs and "pay one price" wristbands are so common that per ride cost has basically skyrocketed to try and pick up larger individual spend "advance sales" in the form of the bands. Lemme use a fair somewhere near you for a comparison - the New York State Fair this year had bands for $30 on weekends. I think their ride list was somewhere around 70 pieces? Cedar Point, as a comparison point, has 68 rides. No matter how you quantify it, that's a lot of rides.

If you back to the 20s, rides used to change up a lot. Coasters would get new trains, they'd be put on backwards, they'd put a cover over 'em, dark rides would get rethemed again and again and again. It really wasn't until the last couple of decades that this stopped happening as frequently. As recently as the 70s, you get Morey's changing dark ride themes between popular movies every other year and Kennywood redoing the Old Mill every half decade and building the Thunderbolt out of the Pippin. So what is happening is not really an aberration - it's actually a return to the mean. This is what parks used to do. As far as Phantom style re-dos are concerned, we're basically discussing Arrow coasters here and a few Vekoma's sharing the same track style. Altering the trains to make them more comfortable for riders is a more likely scenario than wholesale changes to the physical track unless there's good structural reason to, like on Gouderix. Going on rides like Carolina Cobra and Gardaland's Magic Mountain, I've seen some of the newer trains and ridden with em, and I think they're a big help. Like with Revolution getting rid of the OTSRs, you can rebrand around a train change and have a "new ride" for whatever year. What we've seen is that is successful for capital expenditure, something that was argued impossible not all that long ago.

Unless those facilities sold the animals to SeaWorld, it isn't like they can go demanding them from people.

Cedar Point's current management is less risk adverse than their predecessors. Their ride choices and the fact that they have consistently been able to get attractions up and running in a timely fashion now for a few years is testament to their desire to not "pull a Six Flags" and open a ride halfway through the operating seasons. That gets back into the reason why they can charge $190 for the equivalent of Six Flags' $55-72 Gold Pass. But I digress. Yes, 21 months would be an incredibly long time to build the ride, but that assumes that the ride is under constant construction. The more realistic possibility is that they chose a very conservative timeline, which matches the general demeanor of the execs, to get it running.

...with a mass of posts expecting the announcement to take place at WCO and then expressing anger and frustration afterwards.

Once again, the voice of reason. I know people really want this to be a 2017 addition, I'd love that too but it doesn't make any sense. Would it be unprecedented in the industry to have a completely idiotic marketing timeline? No. We all remember Tempesto. But for this chain over the last decade or so it would be unprecedented it and economically it makes very little sense. Plus they already had the announcement. I get it - people want this next year. The idea excites them. It would excite me too! It's OK, we can all go ride Valravn in the meantime. And Raptor. And Maverick. And Dragster. And Gatekeeper and Wicked Twister and....yeah.

CF doesn't do ridiculous pushes for season pass sales. If they were so concerned about driving pass sales in the fall, they would give the farm away like Six Flags does during the flash sale and even their sale now. CF makes advance sales a significant part of their investor pitch. They don't give the farm away to the degree which Six Flags does because they don't have to. Unlike Six Flags, they've managed to not nuke their customer base repeatedly.

Pushes for season pass sales happening at this time of year aren't an accident. In Q3 and Q4, the chains are pushing hard for revenue because the daily operating season has come to a close and they need to end the fiscal year strongly. Delaying announcing the thing that could move those numbers the most would not be the best way to pump those numbers. Yes: they don't do promotions for season passes in the winter. It's almost like that might have to do something with there being absolutely no one inside the parks during the winter?

How on earth did SF know you were spending money @ CF parks? Possibly a response to one of the 8 gajillion surveys they send out? Personally, my attitude is that most of these parks already have gobs of enormous rides. If you got to SFOT, you've got Titan, Giant, Batman, Mr. Freeze, and Shockwave, plus the dark rides, plus the train, plus the flats. Working on adding other stuff is OK.

This is an outstanding idea, albeit impossible.

Imagine what it must be like to be really mad on the internet. Then stare at all those crappy posts trying to use "triggered," as if they all hadn't heard a high frequency call to act against a guy who they think slighted them umpteen years ago on the internet.

Yes, because the roller coaster is the larger capital expenditure. You promote the thing that costs significantly more money and will likely draw many more people. The intent is to drive season pass renewals. Breakers Express expansion will not do that. Of course. That's what you announce in the winter or early spring in this scenario. That's not happening.

Rationally, if you're looking to draw the press in for a major announcement to anchor your "new for 2017" campaign and season pass renewals, would you announce the slide tower that probably costs less than a million dollars and some landscaping changes, or the new giant roller coaster for your self described "Roller Coaster Capital of the World" that costs exponentially more than $1 million dollars?

That may not be the case. There is no one from Arrow on the current senior management team roster listed here: http://www.engineeringexcitement.com/our-team/ I dug and found one name possibly still associated with the company. It is possible that some of these people stuck around, but not necessarily the case since S&S simply purchased the assets in bankruptcy. We know two of them are with Ride Centerline. I doubt at the end of the company's existence that they had an army of other engineers waiting to build something. Buying legacy parts from a company that bought assets from a company that bought assets from a company that bought assets isn't the same as buying a new ride from a manufacturer you sued into nonexistence.

Six Flags seems to be pretty happy with S&S lately. Or got a deal too good to refuse. Arrow has been dead for 15 years. S&S/Sansei is 3 asset sales/management teams separated from the company that built X. Calling S&S/Sansei "Arrow" is like equating Ferrari and AMC.

You get a new avatar or signature of my choosing if Nuevo-Mean Streak isn't announced as reopening in 2017. I'll even spot you the possibility of that happening through January of next year. Obviously if they announce that it will, you get the same opportunity with me.

Such a definitive statement from someone that has no clue what is going to happen. They didn't announce anything in August because they are advertising the water park improvements. Why nerf that announcement with a new coaster announcement? Also, why are you looking for signs of construction on a weekend? Especially on a weekend where guests are in the park. The fact that nothing happened in the first 30 seconds after the "Last Rites" just tells us that they don't want to announce anything yet. There is nothing more to it than that. Av bet? Sig bet? Both?

Johnny Rockets is rebranding as a whole into being an entirely generic experience sure to shutter up in most markets and be totally forgotten in a matter of years. Maybe Cedar Point can put the Fascination back in, or hang onto the license long enough that it becomes a novelty like the last Howard Johnson's and Hot N Now restaurants.

Somethingsomethingmarketsomethingcapitalismsomething. There, that chain of gibberish was better than most park closure analysis. On a serious note, I tried to go on Crossbow a few years ago and they had it closed up for the fall. It sits on a flat piece of land, so I expect it to be of interest to someone out there. Maybe it moves closer to me; lol yeah right. Seriously though that park actually put in effort for some of the infrastructure. I remember they installed concrete pavers for a bunch of it instead of just cheap shitty blacktop like a lot of places. Oh well, I'm sure the condos that may or may not ever get built on the site will be popular another real estate price deflation from now.