Firefox problems?

[dandaman]

Firefox works literally 3x faster on my computer, compared to IE.

 

No image problems here, by the way. I think I have 1.5, but I could be wrong.

[Chris Benvenuto]

I have to be honest, I tried FireFox, and I just didn't see what it offered over IE.

 

Not to offend anyone who uses FireFox, I just didn't get what was so different about it. I'm sure it's great for those who use it, but with IE and browers are concerned I took the "if it ain't broke...." attitude.

 

Sorry, but IE works just fine for everything I need it to do.

 

--Robb

 

I noticed one difference between IE and FF, NO FREAKIN POPUPS!

[kenshinmac]

I have to be honest, I tried FireFox, and I just didn't see what it offered over IE.

 

Not to offend anyone who uses FireFox, I just didn't get what was so different about it. I'm sure it's great for those who use it, but with IE and browers are concerned I took the "if it ain't broke...." attitude.

 

Sorry, but IE works just fine for everything I need it to do.

 

--Robb

Once you go tabbed you never go back...

 

Oh that and the extensions... https://addons.mozilla.org/?application=firefox

 

Check out that list... If none of those excite you then you should probably check your pulse... You might be dead... BTW Life with Adblock Plus rocks... So easy to get rid of ads. That is reason enough to use Firefox.

[Ed]

Firefox also has the tabs ability. Saves space on your toolbar. It may not seem much but it's so more calming to have less clutter on the pc.

 

It also has a download manager.

 

Oh. I use FF and i've never had a problem with these forums. They even look ok which is impressive! On some sites everything is messed around.

[benzo41190]

OK I will download the new version. But if it is a Browser setting, what do I have to change?

[WillMontu]

The only site I've had problems with is when using Firefox is MSN. Other than that I haven't had too much trouble. For a while, I couldn't view images in Firebox, but the same thing occured in Internet Explorer

 

I did try downloading 1.5, but it wouldn't load, so I had to roll back to 1.0 (though I've got a huge border on the bottom of the window I can't get rid of).

[redunzelizer]

I have to be honest, I tried FireFox, and I just didn't see what it offered over IE.

[...]

I took the "if it ain't broke...." attitude.

 

Of course, in terms of available functions, IE will work for the everyday Internet just like *any* other current browsers will do.

 

But, whenever of one my (not so computer-educated) customers calls me up and bugs me with the latest virus/troian/whatever news he had heard in the news / on TV, I am able to tell these, my customers in most of the cases:

 

"Don't worry, you're safe, you're *not* using Internet Explorer / Outlook"

 

However, it's everybody's own choice how (and how often) to get exploited.

 

Just my two customer cares,

 

redunzelizer 8)

[benzo41190]

I GOT IT TO WORK EVERYONE!!!!!!!

 

APARENTLY www.themeparkreview.com images were blocked

 

I feel so stupid now s

 

Sorry for all the troubles with the thread and bugging you

 

Sorry/ Thank You

[dougr]

Thanks everyone! I really just wanted confirmation that FireFox was in fact working. I've only tested it a couple of times as for the site, my data shows that less than 10% of the visitors use FireFox (although I'm going to assume that the percentage of forum users is higher) but it forces me to use IE as the 'lowest common denominator' that I have to cater to.

 

Some people were saying that there were problems with FireFox and TPR, but I had a feeling it was more of a browser setting issue, and now a site issue.

 

Thanks again for your help!

 

--Robb

 

The way the folks at Mozilla look at it, design the site to be W3 compliant, then any problems with IE are Micro$oft's problems!

[dougr]

I have to be honest, I tried FireFox, and I just didn't see what it offered over IE.

 

Not to offend anyone who uses FireFox, I just didn't get what was so different about it. I'm sure it's great for those who use it, but with IE and browers are concerned I took the "if it ain't broke...." attitude.

 

Sorry, but IE works just fine for everything I need it to do.

 

--Robb

 

For one thing, Homeland Security advises against using IE:

Use a different web browser

 

There are a number of significant vulnerabilities in technologies related to the IE domain/zone security model, trust in and access to the local file system (Local Machine Zone), the Dynamic HTML (DHTML) document object model (in particular, proprietary DHTML features), the HTML Help system, MIME type determination, the graphical user interface (GUI), and ActiveX. These technologies are implemented as operating system components that are used by IE and many other programs to provide web browser functionality. These components are integrated into Windows to such an extent that vulnerabilities in IE frequently provide an attacker significant access to the operating system.

 

It is possible to reduce exposure to these vulnerabilities by using a different web browser, especially when viewing untrusted HTML documents (e.g., web sites, HTML email messages). Such a decision may, however, reduce the functionality of sites that require IE-specific features such as proprietary DHTML, VBScript, and ActiveX. Note that using a different web browser will not remove IE from a Windows system, and other programs may invoke IE, the WebBrowser ActiveX control (WebOC), or the HTML rendering engine (MSHTML)."

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878

[robbalvey]

For one thing, Homeland Security advises against using IE:

Homeland Security also tells me that it is now ok to take tweezers on airplanes as they posed such a terrorist threat over the past five years.

 

Tweezers.

 

Yeah.

 

I probably would trust Bill Gates more than I trust the US Government at this point!

 

Honestly, if I browsed the web more often and used the internet as much as people think I do, I would probably use FireFox because I hear nothing but good things about it, I probably would use it. But besides working on TPR, I spend VERY little time doing much else on line.

 

Remember, this is coming from someone who still uses AOL and it too works just fine for me!

 

--Robb "Who has nothing against FireFox at all, it's just that IE does everything I need it to do." Alvey

[kenshinmac]

Oh well even AOL uses the Firefox engine for some of their stuff now... Heck Netscape 8 is Firefox but with IE there just in case. I don't recommend it for anyone though because it is perpetually behind the curve and it is an absolutely abhorrent interface.

 

Seriously though Robb it is the same with a lot of things. People almost never see a reason to switch until they do and then they wonder why they waited. Heck I bet people didn't see a reason to switch from the horse and buggy at one point. Or to put it another way I remember my parents commenting on the fact that at one point they wondered why anyone would need a DishWasher... Needless to say that no one likes to go without a dishwasher these days...

[robbalvey]

Seriously though Robb it is the same with a lot of things. People almost never see a reason to switch until they do and then they wonder why they waited.

Yup, I'm one of those people. Always been a "creature of habit" until something forces me to make a change.

 

We only just got Tivo a month ago.

We still use HTML.

We still watch full screen television.

We still use AOL as our primary internet connection.

We still use CRT monitors.

We don't have an iPod.

We still use Abobe Premiere 6.

Still have running a P-500 Emachine from 1998 (Dave, remember that one?)

Etc, etc.....

 

I've never been an early adopter of any kind of technology. I like "tried and true" and I'll stick with whatever the majority goes with. Hell, I was even using Digital 8 for the first few videos I did!

 

I'm also one of those people that the more someone tries to push something on me, the more I shy away from it. For example, the past two years this guy told me that once I got Tivo, I'd never watch TV the same way again. And he pushed and pushed and pushed. Finally I got one, and he's right, but I don't feel like my last two years would have been significantly better had I had Tivo.

 

So until there is a NEED for me to switch, I'll stick with what I know, which is why I've been with AOL since it was Q-Link on the Commodore 64!

 

Again, I want you all to know that I don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with FireFox at all. I think it probably works awesome, and I'm sure it may be better than IE, but I just have no need to change my ways right now.

 

--Robb "Just be glad we finally made the move to DVDs!" Alvey

[kenshinmac]

I guess the biggest thing is that at 10% it seems that Firefox users make a huge amount of the traffic to the site. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to test with firefox? I mean I guess to me it seems kinda weird for the webmaster to be asking people if there are problems with the site associated with a specific browser...

 

Its only 5.0MB for Windows... I won't say anything else now... I promise... Unless it is answering questions...

[robbalvey]

^ Ugh.

 

Two things (which I have already said in this thread)

 

1. I did test FireFox (I actually have it installed on one of my machines at work) and I found no issues. But I don't use it as much as everyone else does, and when someone had a problem, I posted this thread to confirm what I had already thought which is "it works just fine."

 

2. I said it's *LESS* than 10% that use FireFox...6% to be exact. According to my stats, so far in 2005 I have had 1.7 million unique visitors. 6% of them used FireFox. Yes, 6%. I'm sure it's GREAT for you 6%, but it's not enough for me to make significant changes just for FireFox users. I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear, but you've GOT to understand that. The same reason there isn't much video game support out there for the Mac.

 

3. I work in freaking software development. Don't tell me how I should "test" something or if it's "weird" that someone is asking. I ask an entire QA department all the time if there are issues in our software. If you want to rely on just *ONE* tester (me) for the site, then for sure this place would be REALLY screwed up! And since I don't have the money to pay a staff of testers, guess what...it's you guys! And no one else seems to mind helping out, do you guys? If so, please let me know and I'll do this all on my own. Probably won't get videos and photos updates as often because I'm "testing the site because someone thinks it's weird that I'm asking for help", but if that's what you all want, I will be happy to provide.

 

Honestly, I don't know why we keep going back and forth on this. There isn't anything I'm doing wrong, other than not using FireFox as much as it seems YOU would like me too!

 

I can tell you the one thing you're being successful at is making me want to use it LESS.

 

--Robb "If you were a salesman for Microsoft everyone would be using Linux!" Alvey

[kenshinmac]

Ok I said I wouldn't say anything else but... Sorry... I misread one of your comments and after re-reading it you do indeed have it installed and have used it to view the site... Apologies...

 

Oh and I understand everything you said but my mistake in reading your post made me think you hadn't tested it... (again...)

[DenDen]

I hope this message doesn't sound bitter, it's not.

 

It's all about personal preference these days. EI, Firefox, and Opera all the very different ways of doing things. (Opera being the most awkward thus far.)

 

Anyway, The new IE pretty much will have everything that Firefox has, tabbed browsing, plug ins, etc... so IE users will see what others have seen for a couple years now. It's really no big deal though.

 

If my IE actually worked, I'd probably use it. (I have to do a SCORCHED EARTH because of a corrupt driver that has embeded it's error deeply into the OS) So I may go back to it. One thing IE has over the rest is that it can correct HTML syntax errors on the fly, and display pages as they were intended, even if the HTML syntax is broken. No other browser does this. Not to mention, if it weren't for MS's proprietery invention of the I-frame, (amongst other code) there would be a lot of things you still couldn't do on the net design-wise. Slam them all you want, but they do influence standards.

 

The best protection is Virus/spam protection, EDUCATION, and a firewall. (Preferably a hardware firewall.) If you have those configured correctly, and know what and what NOT to open, it doesn't matter what browser you use. People who buy a computer, turn it on, and expect to be safe on-line need to take a computer class. As long there have been networks, there have been hackers. (Gotta laugh at all the people that believe AOL protects them. LOL)

 

I used to preach the open-source gospel, but I'm sorry, when it comes to browsers, IE does win. Before Firefox had a pop-up-blocking plug-in, I had IE with a 3rd party free ad-blocker. No difference.

[dougr]

101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that IE cannot http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html

8)

[DenDen]

101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that IE cannot http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html

8)

 

Sorry, that's a little dated, and almost 100% invalid now. Not to mention, most of it doesn't pertain to the average user.

(from Jan 2003.)

[TheGreatOne]

I've had a few minor problems with Firefox 1.5.

 

1) Major cramps that sucks up 200mb of free RAM on my computer. (although I reinstalled it and this problem hasn't come back)

 

2) Right-click box does not always show up when I right click to save images, copy, paste and the like.

 

3) A few major slow-downs at random without any pages that demand high usage.

[kenshinmac]

One thing IE has over the rest is that it can correct HTML syntax errors on the fly, and display pages as they were intended, even if the HTML syntax is broken..

Thats one of the most unfortunate "features" of the current IE because it breaks all other browsers views of said page. We should really be working toward more standards compliance rather than continuing to accept that bad websites will still be built. Heck IE7 is going to drop a lot of those fudges for bad code and I say not one second too soon.

 

Oh and to the person seeing slowdown what you are probably seeing is some sort of dirtily coded site that works great in IE but because of how it is built will be a bit slower in other browsers. There are other sites that use really ugly ways of building the site (that take a while to render) where browsers like Firefox and similarly up to date browsers could have much cleaner implementations were it not for broken parts of IE.

 

So I guess ultimately what I am saying is that when someone is building towards a standard they should do just that. In many ways Microsoft and Netscape over the years managed to break HTML. Yeah I said Netscape as they had a hand in the same stuff years ago. Microsoft implemented Netscapes broken HTML rendering and then added their own. Now everyone has to try and reverse engineer someone elses code to render something that is broken in the first place... It just seems unfortunate...

[Meteornotes]

Still have running a P-500 Emachine from 1998 (Dave, remember that one?)

 

I sure do! I have a Dell from '98 that is still running on my network. I have older computers than that, but they're not connected as they'd need new hard drives.

 

I can understand the whole "no need to change" idea. I stick to that somewhat, though I do usually update software. Though Premiere Pro is not all that much more amazing that Premiere 5, so there really is no reason to jump to the new version.

 

I started using Firefox because IE was crashing a lot. I've been happy with it, but I look at it the same way I look at Operating Systems or most software: as long as it does what it is supposed to do, and doesn't annoy me, I'll keep using it. I just want to look at stuff on the web, and as long as whatever browser I'm using is stable, that's all I really care about. People that rant on and on about Firefox or Linux or anything else usually irritate the hell out of me, and like Robb, will turn me off from looking at the product. Which is why I will never, ever buy an Ipod, and will stick with Dell MP3 players...

 

dt