Three Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Any kids who stumble upon this video will almost certainly be old enough to laugh about it with all their friends. I just don't see too many elementry-school-aged kids typing "minnie+dry+hump" into google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 So imagine what a headline of "DISNEY CHARACTERS ARE SEX OFFENDERS" would do? Like this, which only mustered two pages of response (it turned out to be a false accusation) or this, which didnt even get a thread here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterviper Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ok one thing that I dont get is... why is it still out on the internet for people to look at??!! I just checked the link on the first page and it is still there!! I mean hell if this is such a big deal then why is it still out!! Wouldn't you think somehow Disney would try and block all the links or the downloads to prevent this from being spread more?? I dunno, it is just something I would think they would try to do if this is so damaging to them! But you know the media this is going to spread like wild fire and no one can do anything about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Any kids who stumble upon this video will almost certainly be old enough to laugh about it with all their friends. I just don't see too many elementry-school-aged kids typing "minnie+dry+hump" into google. See, you're missing the point. It's not about teenage kids finding it on google and laughing about it, those kids aren't the ones paying admission into the parks to begin with. It's about the media creating a bigger issue out of it than it needs to be. Think about if this gets on the Today show what impact that would have to the PARENTS bringing their kids to Disney parks or Disney functions. Or if some right wing Christian group get ahold of the story and wants to push the issue. You're focued on the WRONG audience as to how this affects the company. It's clear you and some other people just do not understand that point. --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 NOW do you understand? --Robb LOL, actually that reminds me i actually saw a flaming nazi dude at a KMFDM concert the other night, it was halarious and blew my mind... but I DO agree with you, your last post what was I was trying to say all along robb, well, maybe in the sense it wasnt the act itself as much as the attention it got because it was leaked out and blown out of proportion beyong what it should have. You could make videos like this in almost every workplace probably but this is the one that happen to leak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdillaman Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 If you ask me, anybody who's JOB it is to be around young children should be very careful about what they do while in costume at all times. If your child was attending a daycare center, and then you saw a video of the employees dry-humping in the lounge while the kids were taking a nap, would you keep your children there? Would you think twice about going back to that particular establishment? What if there were cheaper alternatives closer to your home? I think this will hurt disney more than you'd think. I have to agree with Robb here. Image wise, this is NOT good for Disney. -James Dillaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 So imagine what a headline of "DISNEY CHARACTERS ARE SEX OFFENDERS" would do? Like this, which only mustered two pages of response (it turned out to be a false accusation) or this, which didnt even get a thread here.... There is a HUGE difference between people conducting sex acts on their own time who happen to be an employee of Disney and a video made of Disney costumed characters pretending to have sex. No one can associate with a random, nameless, faceless Disney employee who is doing something lude at their apartment after work hours. But EVERYONE sure as hell can see what Minnie Mouse and Goofy are doing! Why is that so hard to understand? --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ah, so its ok for a rapist to serve you food, but not ok for someone to act out sex in costume (backstage, just like Disney's dorms). I'm sure guests don't want EITHER near their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 waterviper - I would bet Disney's legal team is working on having the content removed from the site however. 1) remember this is international law now (US company, French affiliate, British newspaper) I'm no legal expert but it sounds confusing. 2) The Sun doesn't cave into to pressure, they are a very controversial tabloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_teisco_delrey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I just don't see too many elementry-school-aged kids typing "minnie+dry+hump" into google. But I could see moms w/kids at their side typing "Disney Characters" into Google to get costume ideas for Halloween. I realize that this is bad for Disney, but has anyone stopped to think that this might not have happened if the CMs were paid a bit better. The employee might actually give a crap about Disney and not do these things. I know this was in Paris, but if their turnover is anything like Anaheim, there is no loyalty and this shouldn't come as a surprise. If these characters are so valuable (which they are) maybe Disney should use more that legal coercion to keep the CMs within expected behaviour standards for characters. $8 bucks or so doesn't make for loyal employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Any kids who stumble upon this video will almost certainly be old enough to laugh about it with all their friends. I just don't see too many elementry-school-aged kids typing "minnie+dry+hump" into google. See, you're missing the point. It's not about teenage kids finding it on google and laughing about it, those kids aren't the ones paying admission into the parks to begin with. It's about the media creating a bigger issue out of it than it needs to be. Think about if this gets on the Today show what impact that would have to the PARENTS bringing their kids to Disney parks or Disney functions. Or if some right wing Christian group get ahold of the story and wants to push the issue. You're focued on the WRONG audience as to how this affects the company. It's clear you and some other people just do not understand that point. --Robb Actually, I was trying to dismiss the "OMG, think of the children" argument. Which I think is bogus because kids aren't apt to see it in the first place. Now you're right, there is a chance of this being blown out of proportion by some media agency or another. And certainly they would be prone to using the "think of the children" argument. Of course, by making a big deal out of it they'd be the ones seeing to it that children would see it. Certainly proving that such agencies are more concerned with ratings than general public wellbeing, but I digress. Such groups meddling with this for their own purposes is certainly a problem. But one we'll have to just wait and see on. Disney has a reputation as being one of the most lawsuit-happy industries out there. But I suspect they'll try to keep this as stealthy and hushed as possible, for precisely those reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ah, so its ok for a rapist to serve you food, but not ok for someone to act out sex in costume (backstage, just like Disney's dorms). I'm sure guests don't want EITHER near their kids. You're trying to stretch an argument beyond where it needs to go. There are clear differences in what you're taking about, and I'm not sure if you really believe in what you're saying, of it you just want to be "right." I dunno.... The "rapist" serving you food isn't mimicking a corporate icon that has been part of the company's imagery and core product line since 1928. True that both news stories impact the company, but one is CLEARLY a more disturbing and damaging visual reference than the other. There are "freaks" out there no matter where you go and you should always be careful. But there are certain establishments that deal with sensitive issues like child care that people take VERY seriously. And like James pointed out, if you found out a sex offender was working at a local day care center, you probably would not take your child there. Same thing is true for Disney. I *can* see the humor in the video. But more importantly I can see why it really isn't funny. And how one laugh can seriously have a far greater impact on something we all really like. And not just sex with furry animals, because I know we ALL like that. I don't want to see Disney Parks get even more undeserved negative attention from the media based on the actions of some very stupid people. It's just not fair. I'm not saying that I personally would be worried about taking my kids to Disney based on this video, but I'm trying to make other people understand why this is a BIG DEAL! And it just amazes me that so many people can look at this video and think "that's not damaging at all" or not see where I'm coming from. --Robb "I guess I gave people too much credit." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy56 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Don't a lot of people, like almost believe, believe in these characters? I mean I swear up until I was 13 the Mickey at Disneyland was the Mickey. I'm sure Disney wants people to believe like that. Disney banks alot on magical atmosphere where dreams come true, so something like this can hurt them. And won't there be some people out there that will try to bring this out on even a bigger media stage? That being said, it seems like people rarely have much pride in their jobs anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 You're trying to stretch an argument beyond where it needs to go. There are clear differences in what you're taking about, and I'm not sure if you really believe in what you're saying, of it you just want to be "right." I dunno... But the thing is I have't really all-out disagreed with you, I just think that we are looking at things a little differently and that interpretation and views aren't really "right" or "wrong". And to be clear, what I believe is: 1. The cast members broke company rules, which is wrong of them. 2. Disney has every right to do what they want with these people. 3. The images are not "that bad" 4. The images will have greater effect on parents than on the children 5. On the surface, it is funny. Maybe I'm just no clear enough.. oh well The "rapist" serving you food isn't mimicking a corporate icon that has been part of the company's imagery and core product line since 1928. See, to me that just shows we value things differently. You're looking on a broader scale than I am I guess, worrying more about Minnie and Goofy's image, whereas I'm thinking the public would be more upset/offended with the people inside the costume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I'm not sure it's people not having pride in their jobs, some people just don't think through the ramifications. Look I'm working my butt off right now but in between calls and meetings I check this site. Is this against my company policy, DAMN STRAIGHT it is. Do I care, I care a little. Would I break other rules like visit porn sites from my work computer, HELL NO. For all we know this could be the last day at Disney for some of these cast members as they return to college and maybe they just decided to so screw it "what's the worst that can happen, I get fired". OK, I'm rambling now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 BTW, the video is already all over YouTube and Google Video so it's only a matter of time (and I'm shocked it hasn't made it already) until the media speads this like wild fire. I think once people see the affect it might have, maybe you'll understand the whole concept of brand integrity and image and you'll see that the images really are "that bad". --Robb "I can see the humor in the video...but I can see the greater negative impact it will have...." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefitness Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I don't want to see Disney Parks get even more undeserved negative attention from the media based on the actions of some very stupid people. AMEN! (not trying to suck up) Disney gets enough crap and they don't need to have people they are paying to ruin their reputation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Don't a lot of people, like almost believe, believe in these characters? I mean I swear up until I was 13 the Mickey at Disneyland was the Mickey. I'm sure Disney wants people to believe like that. Disney banks alot on magical atmosphere where dreams come true, so something like this can hurt them. And won't there be some people out there that will try to bring this out on even a bigger media stage? That being said, it seems like people rarely have much pride in their jobs anymore. You're not alone on that. I thought Elephants could fly until i was 11. It was a sad day for me at the Ringling Brothers Circus with my dad when the elephants didn't fly. Disney spends millions every year on brand image. I can't even Imagine how the Emergency Board Meeting that dealt with this felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 It has already hit some American media http://blog.washingtonpost.com/offbeat/2006/10/euro_disney_orgy_caught_on_tap.html I'll just shut up now since I've shared my thoughts and basically been subtly called stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_teisco_delrey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I'm not sure it's people not having pride in their jobs, some people just don't think through the ramifications. For all we know this could be the last day at Disney for some of these cast members as they return to college and maybe they just decided to so screw it "what's the worst that can happen, I get fired". That reinforces the point I am trying to make. If these characters are critical to the company image (which they are), Disney needs to be very careful who they put in the costume. In addition they need to make it worth their while to mind thier Ps and Qs. You're not alone on that. I thought Elephants could fly until i was 11. It was a sad day for me at the Ringling Brothers Circus with my dad when the elephants didn't fly. I saw Bozo the clown smoking backs stage when I was a little kid. I still watched Bozo, and I haven't smoked to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I know this is off-track, but how much do their characters get paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy56 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I remember when my friend went to work at Disney. She draws the CMs, not really the Disney characters but how the CMs protrayed them. When she started working there, she was talked to because her art is widely known on the net about it. She was part of Disney now, and they didn't want any inappropiate pictures out there. That's pretty hardcore, but she totally understood and didn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yup, it's made the Washington Post now...and what is the headline: Euro Disney Orgy Caught On Tape And what quote do we see under the picture: Mickey Mouse at Smithsonian's Disney exhibit. Probably not the same one from the video but can kids tell the difference? Again, I'm going to quote my key message of my entire arguement: I don't want to see Disney Parks get even more undeserved negative attention from the media based on the actions of some very stupid people. I guess it's too late..... --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Realistically, this isn't the first time nor the last time that misbehavior by park guests or employees has "threatened" Disney's image. And past accusations have been much more public and potentially harmful than a handful of employees in costumes mimicking the doggy style. molestation charges? Disney lived through that, and they'll live through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Realistically, this isn't the first time nor the last time that misbehavior by park guests or employees has "threatened" Disney's image. And past accusations have been much more public and potentially harmful than a handful of employees in costumes mimicking the doggy style. molestation charges? Disney lived through that, and they'll live through this. There's a difference there - Look at the years in your example. 1976.....1981. No pictures. No video, no internet back then. And the 2004 incident. There wasn't even a picture to back it up. These were just "stories" without any visuals. Now you have video of this current incident all over the internet and the news. And this is the FIRST TIME something like this has been as "visual" If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million. How can you make the argument that this incident and the ones in the past are the same? It's not. --Robb "Who doesn't really understand why people keep trying to argue a point that's so clearly and factually stated." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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