Notre Dame is Over Rated

[mcjaco]

And Kansas getting a bid over Mizzou? Please.

[BeemerBoy]

I'd vote for a playoff looking like this:

 

1) UGA vs. 8 ) Hawaii

 

2) OU vs. 7) Kansas

 

3) VT vs. 6) OSU

 

4) LSU vs. 5) USC

 

 

...and simply reseed them for subsequent rounds.

[Scaparri]

Eh, I'm fairly content with OSU vs. LSU, though I can't help but feel like it should maybe be an OSU vs. OU match-up. Yeah, OU had bad losses to Texas Tech and Colorado, but they BLEW OUT the #1 team in the nation. Maybe the #1 ranking wasn't warranted, but still. That's what everybody voted for as #1, so shouldn't OU get the bid since they beat the living hell out of them? Oh well. I'm looking forward to seeing OSU get embarrassed once again by an SEC team.

 

Bring on the playoff format. As you said BeemerBoy, top 8 go. Sure, #9 and #10 will bitch and moan, but seriously, there comes a cut-off point where you have to understand it's just not going to happen for you even if you make the cut. Kind of like how the 66th team always whines about not getting a bid to the Dance. Get over it! You're just going to get your butt handed to you in the first round!

 

There's nothing I'd love to see more than USC get upset by Illinois in the Rose Bowl. Well, I take that back. I'd love to see OSU shut out in the title game (ok, now I'm really dreaming).

[BeemerBoy]

Here's an excellent article about OSU to which I couldn't agree more. Would they deserve a shot in a playoff format? Sure. Should they backdoor their way into a shot at the title? Nope, not a chance.

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7520962?MSNHPHMA

[Scaparri]

^Nice article, and I fully agree. The only reason why I said that I wonder if it should be an OSU vs. OU match up and not say, an OU vs. LSU match up is because in the real world, there was never a question whether OSU will get a bid. It really sucks how the system works. I mean really, with the current system we have, shouldn't Hawaii be going to the title game (not saying I think they deserve to be there, but the current system is screwy)?

 

A buddy of mine that's a huge OSU fan reworked the rankings using a modified version of the Ohio high school football rankings system. If I remember correctly, the system takes the scores of each game, the difficulty in schedule, and how the opponents from each game continue to play later on in their schedule (I'm probably forgetting something else, but it sounded like a good system), and when OSU was ranked #1 and undefeated, this system had them listed as 4th.

 

I have to echo Lee Corso and say that huge powerhouse teams such as OSU, LSU, Florida, etc. have no business playing cupcakes like Southeastern Rocky Mountain State A&T Tech. Sure, I understand one, maybe two to boost the athletic budget, but three or four of them? That's ridiculous.

[coaster05]

I have to say as a Notre Dame fan I find this to be very funny this year. After listening to people go crazy that a two loss Irish team got to play in the BCS, I can't even imagine what it would have been if a 2 loss Irish team went for the Championship.

 

Either way I see this year being the one that pushes the and 1 game into the mix. To be honest I really just miss the old bowls.

[stingrock23]

An 8 game playoff is all that's needed, there will be a way to get it done, hopefully sooner than later. Being an LSU fan, I can't be disappointed in the way it turned out, but it's absurd that a sport as big as college football determines it's champion with computers and HUMAN OPINION via polls. It's just ridiculous.

[ParkTrips]

I'd vote for a playoff looking like this:

 

1) UGA vs. 8 ) Hawaii

 

2) OU vs. 7) Kansas

 

3) VT vs. 6) OSU

 

4) LSU vs. 5) USC

surely you aren't going to put a team in VT ahead of LSU even though LSU smoked them, right??

 

I think LSU deserved a spot in the title game. Toughest schedule in the nation and 2 multi-overtime losses... yeah. As I heard on guy say: in 1990, LSU goes undefeated (before the shootout overtime).

 

Ohio State? Not so much, but I can live with it if its a close game. But it won't be.

[BeemerBoy]

surely you aren't going to put a team in VT ahead of LSU even though LSU smoked them, right??

If I were a voter at this point in time....yes. Who's to say a rematch wouldn't produce a better game? I'm just going on who's playing well right now.

 

Am I the only one who believes a team which loses twice in one season while ranked #1 shouldn't go unpunished in the polls? Losing to an unranked team, while ranked #1 in the nation, on your final game of the season, AT HOME......is simply unacceptable. I don't care if it was a 25-overtime game. A loss like that will never gain my confidence in a team, regardless of the tough conference in which they play. If you can't defend your position in the polls, then you don't deserve a chance to play for the title any more then the rest of the top 8 teams (at least using this year as the example).

 

That's why I'm sticking by my rankings as quoted above. If I were voting on the best teams right now, that's how it'd look.

[slither37]

Why all the hate of the Buckeyes? I can understand the Hurricanes fan, still upset about the loss (yes it was a penalty and you had 4 tries to tie the score, several from the 1), but why everyone else? I simply do not understand why people have no problem with a 2 loss team being in the title game, but yell about the Buckeyes being there. Was the OSU schedule weaker than some? Yes, but what fault is that of the Buckeyes? Will LSU beat the Buckeyes, I do not know, but I do know the Buckeyes have the better coach and the same mistakes of last year will not be made again. After watching the Oklahoma and Mizzou game, I would actually like to see OU v. OSU. It perhaps should be Hawaii v. OSU. I do not see how an undefeated Div 1. team gets left out of the title game.

 

I was surprised that somehow, Notre Dame did not get invited to a bowl game........... Was Tyrone that bad?

[spaceace12]

I don't follow college football, but the only College game I would be interested in ever seeing is a Purdue home game. And that is only for the band and their big drum.

 

 

After seeing them at the RCA dome perform, I want to see the march to the stadium, the halftime performance and the march from the stadium.

[BeemerBoy]

Why all the hate of the Buckeyes? I can understand the Hurricanes fan, still upset about the loss (yes it was a penalty and you had 4 tries to tie the score, several from the 1), but why everyone else? I simply do not understand why people have no problem with a 2 loss team being in the title game, but yell about the Buckeyes being there.

 

For starters, the 2002 season is of no consequence to my unbiased and realistic opinion of this season. I, along with most of the college football world just wanna see the most worthy opponents play for the title. If OSU fit that description, as they did last year, then more power to 'em. However, I'm just not that impressed with their credentials this year. Like I said, do they deserve a shot in a playoff format? Sure. Do they deserve to be in the title game by default? Heck no.

 

I understand most of Ohio is gonna take your position, however, I know not all Ohioans feel the same. In fact, I just spoke with two good friends who grew up in Columbus and will attend the big game. In their own words, "we'll show up and root for our boys, but trust me, I'm not exactly sure we even belong there."

[coaster05]

Why all the hate of the Buckeyes? I can understand the Hurricanes fan, still upset about the loss (yes it was a penalty and you had 4 tries to tie the score, several from the 1), but why everyone else? I simply do not understand why people have no problem with a 2 loss team being in the title game, but yell about the Buckeyes being there. Was the OSU schedule weaker than some? Yes, but what fault is that of the Buckeyes? Will LSU beat the Buckeyes, I do not know, but I do know the Buckeyes have the better coach and the same mistakes of last year will not be made again. After watching the Oklahoma and Mizzou game, I would actually like to see OU v. OSU. It perhaps should be Hawaii v. OSU. I do not see how an undefeated Div 1. team gets left out of the title game.

 

I was surprised that somehow, Notre Dame did not get invited to a bowl game........... Was Tyrone that bad?

 

This is why as much as I love Notre Dame, but hate our fans I still find Notre Dame haters to be more annoying then ND lovers.

 

You can't get into a bowl with a losing record no matter WHO you are. The previous 2 seasons i will be the first to admit the Irish were way overmatched in their bowls, so what should they have done turned the game down. Is it really the school's fault that their fans make ANY bowl game HUGE money. ND has rules to get into the BCS. No one had to put a gun to these BCS's peoples head to agree to ND's rules. If ALL the other schools thought it was so unfair that ND is not in a conference they could easily solve that problem by NOT PLAYING THEM. Schools won't do that either because ND makes those schools huge cash when ND plays them. Heck the Big Ten schools won't stop playing even after ND supposedly insulted them by not joining their conference.

 

Even after an absolutely awful ND season, the WORST in their history, it is still not enough for the haters. Personally that is what I think is the worst thing about the haters, because when ND is good most ND fans do not give a flying crap about any other team, but ND haters still obsess about ND even when their team is on top.

 

Bottomline if Notre Dame was really as unimportant to college football as the haters want to believe then why do they still get talked about? Why have they stayed relevant based on their history, when so mony other programs with great history have just died away. I mean seriously haters do you just sit at home in a cold sweat, terrified that some year ND will win their next title. Because as a ND fan I don't worry at all if FSU or Miami recover anytime soon. I don't worry about the day that USC gets more Heisman's or more National Titles. I don't worry about Michigan having more wins, all I do is root for my team and let the chips fall where they may.

[stingrock23]

Just because ND is popular/relevant, doesn't change the fact that the team didn't deserve to be in the BCS games the past few years, and as such, were blown out in each game. How is that even good for ND? You get to a big game, only to get whooped by truly superior teams.

 

As for OSU, there isn't really hatred, just common knowlege that the Big 10 is a very weak conference, and OSU had such an easy schedule this year. Why don't you guys quit scheduling Kent St., Youngstown, and Akron. It's not like the conference is so tough that you need these easy games, you guys beat one decent (albeit, still overrated) team in Michigan, that's it. Penn St. sucks, and Wisconsin's not very good, so how can you reward a team that didn't defeat a single team in the top 15 with a title game shot? Just because their schedule was easy enough to only lose one game? Enjoy the game while you can, you don't stand a chance. I'm working on getting tickets to the game, hopefully I can get my hands on some to experience the beating in person.

[BeemerBoy]

Notre Dame is still overrated.

 

 

I hear what you're saying, Rich. But it's just so easy to hate ND. When everything else about your own team's season is going down the crapper, at least you can still laugh at ND. That's something that is passed down through the generations.

[slither37]

However, I'm just not that impressed with their credentials this year. Like I said, do they deserve a shot in a playoff format? Sure. Do they deserve to be in the title game by default? Heck no.

 

You put the teams you would have in a playoff, but which teams would have playing for the national championship in the current system? What teams deserve, in your opinion, to be in the title game?

 

< ND hater, got very tired of the Brady Quinn love fest last year.

I also wonder why Weis has not been fired. Seemed like

Willingham had a better record.

 

So I am not sorry to annoy you. I just can not stand ND or their fans, but not as much as I despise the Denver Broncos or their fans.

 

My level of apathy of any ND fans feelings about me as ND hater can not really be measured or over stated.

[slither37]

How about a friendly wager Beemerboy?

 

I say the Buckeyes beat LSU straight up.

 

If OSU wins, you make a .wav file of yourself singing "Across the Field"

 

If LSU wins, I will do similar to the fight song of your choice???? Except of course Notre Dame's.

[BeemerBoy]

^ LOL. I'm not so sure about that wager. Which refs are officiating?

 

Perhaps we'll go with an avatar wager. OSU wins, and I'll go with your choice for a month. LSU wins, and it's vice versa. Sound good?

 

However, I'm just not that impressed with their credentials this year. Like I said, do they deserve a shot in a playoff format? Sure. Do they deserve to be in the title game by default? Heck no.

 

You put the teams you would have in a playoff, but which teams would have playing for the national championship in the current system? What teams deserve, in your opinion, to be in the title game?

Honestly, of the teams I listed, I'd have to go with UGA vs. OU. Based solely on how each finished out their seasons, I believe they deserve the shot. Obviously there's arguments against each one having losses on their records. But taking away the stupid computer input, I feel they're the two best teams out there right now.

 

LSU had a chance to grab the brass ring, but they failed. Period.

[Scaparri]

Why all the hate of the Buckeyes? I can understand the Hurricanes fan, still upset about the loss (yes it was a penalty and you had 4 tries to tie the score, several from the 1), but why everyone else?

 

Because OSU has arguably the most obnoxious and annoying fans I have ever encountered. I would like to hear an OSU fan talk about how another team might be better than them. I don't think it's ever happened. And the fans constantly feel the need to inform everybody that they can spell Ohio. There isn't even a song to it. They just do that over and over... and over... and over.

 

I simply do not understand why people have no problem with a 2 loss team being in the title game, but yell about the Buckeyes being there. Was the OSU schedule weaker than some? Yes, but what fault is that of the Buckeyes?

 

A large part of it is their fault. They make their schedule. Sure, a good part of it they can't help because they don't determine how good the other teams in their conference are, but when LSU was playing Virginia Tech, OSU was playing Akron. Please? I have no problem with 2 loss teams in the title game when they played powerhouse or ranked teams back-to-back-to-back. Whether OSU's schedule is their fault or not, they still had an easier schedule.

 

It'll all be settled after the 2-loss LSU Tigers smear OSU, just like Florida did last year. (Friendly trash talk )

[slither37]

Ok, the avatar bet it is. Only we can both agree that it will in no way shape for form be ND if either side wins right?

 

As far as no one being better than the Buckeyes, I am glad that OU is not in the title game. So I would have actually placed OU vs OSU in the title game. I actually think that OSU has a better chance of beating LSU than it would OU.

[coaster05]

However, I'm just not that impressed with their credentials this year. Like I said, do they deserve a shot in a playoff format? Sure. Do they deserve to be in the title game by default? Heck no.

 

You put the teams you would have in a playoff, but which teams would have playing for the national championship in the current system? What teams deserve, in your opinion, to be in the title game?

 

< ND hater, got very tired of the Brady Quinn love fest last year.

I also wonder why Weis has not been fired. Seemed like

Willingham had a better record.

 

So I am not sorry to annoy you. I just can not stand ND or their fans, but not as much as I despise the Denver Broncos or their fans.

 

My level of apathy of any ND fans feelings about me as ND hater can not really be measured or over stated.

 

Weis is record is better and has 2 BCS bids to none for TY. That equals huge money for the school. I guess I didn't see the Quinn lovefest you speak of either. Did he win the Heisman, go number 1 in the draft, so where is said love. Seems to be he pretty much got absolutely ripped apart even though he threw for over 10,000 yards in his career.

 

For the guy who said ND did not deserve to be in the BCS the last FEW years. It was only 2 and Who deserved instead of them. Especially the year they played OSU. What they didn't deserve was to be matched up with that team that year. They should have been the third or fourth at large choice, not first. But again please name the school or schools that deserved it more then them, that could actually go by the BCS rules. Again should they have turned it down and no matter what happens it is great for the pocketbook, great for your fans and obviously great for recruiting.

 

Beemer thats fine you feel that way but all the other team hate I could have mustered this year would not have made my season anymore enjoyable. And to be honest we are closer to figuring this out than Miami is.

[ParkTrips]

Am I the only one who believes a team which loses twice in one season while ranked #1 shouldn't go unpunished in the polls? Losing to an unranked team, while ranked #1 in the nation, on your final game of the season, AT HOME......is simply unacceptable. I don't care if it was a 25-overtime game. A loss like that will never gain my confidence in a team, regardless of the tough conference in which they play. If you can't defend your position in the polls, then you don't deserve a chance to play for the title any more then the rest of the top 8 teams (at least using this year as the example).

Arkansas isn't exactly a pushover either. If I remember, they will be playing Missouri on New Years. If they beat them too, maybe they will get more respect? They were .500 in the SEC, not too bad. And yes I think that an overtime loss is a big deal, especially since it was in the 3rd overtime and the difference was the stupid 2 point conversion rule. Its also their rivalry game. Honestly I don't hold that loss against them much more than the UK loss.. its still a loss, yes, but in a season where only Hawaii can say they don't have a loss, its just another tough loss like Kansas to Mizzou or Mizzou to Oklahoma or Ohio State to Illinois

 

btw the ND season was plenty enough for me!

[coaster05]

^Joe I would think you would be extremely happy since a new coach is on the way.

[slither37]

Because OSU has arguably the most obnoxious and annoying fans I have ever encountered. I would like to hear an OSU fan talk about how another team might be better than them. I don't think it's ever happened.

 

This is a first for you then. Of course hindsight is 20/20, but Florida was much better than OSU in January of 2007, what a butt kicking that was. That was actually the worst coaching job of Tressel's career at OSU, ever hear of "blitz" Jim????

 

This year? As stated before, I think OSU has a better shot at beating LSU than the way OU is playing right now.

[slither37]

^ LOL. I'm not so sure about that wager. Which refs are officiating?

 

Perhaps we'll go with an avatar wager. OSU wins, and I'll go with your choice for a month. LSU wins, and it's vice versa. Sound good?

 

 

BeemerBoy. I lost this bet. The Buckeyes got owned....again. I can not even whine like the Miami Hurricanes did a few years when OSU beat them.. "SOB SOB, That was NOT pass interference. whine whine"

 

Buckeyes beat themselves with idiotic penalties.

 

I am willing to live up to our bet, I will use an avatar (as long as it is not Notre Dame, obviously) for 1 month.